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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #39480 on: July 07, 2023, 03:18:43 PM »
You need to play Birth By Sleep

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« Reply #39481 on: July 10, 2023, 12:17:38 AM »
KH1

Playing KH1 for the first time since 2005? 2006? I have to say I agree with KHII fans. It is clunky. But it still has charm out the ass and adventuring, problem solving to get chests;etc is still rewarding. Some aspects have aged but it's still really good. It feels like no perfect KH game exists. Haven't played 3 or BBS but the best KH would be a mix of 1's adventuring/exploration and II's combat in one package.

You need to play Birth By Sleep



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« Reply #39482 on: July 10, 2023, 03:12:18 AM »
u would stan Aqua
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« Reply #39483 on: July 10, 2023, 11:30:56 AM »
Replaying FF13 because I'm on a Final Fantasy high. Game still looks pretty great (Xbox BC version). I'd forgotten about these garbage-ass Eidolon fights though. "To defeat Odin, you have to heal harder than you've ever healed before! Oh sorry, looks like you didn't get to be Odin's little healslut this time, but maybe if you try 3 or 4 more times, we'll randomly fill the gauge faster for no obvious reason and let you win."
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« Reply #39484 on: July 10, 2023, 12:39:42 PM »
Replaying FF13 because I'm on a Final Fantasy high. Game still looks pretty great (Xbox BC version). I'd forgotten about these garbage-ass Eidolon fights though. "To defeat Odin, you have to heal harder than you've ever healed before! Oh sorry, looks like you didn't get to be Odin's little healslut this time, but maybe if you try 3 or 4 more times, we'll randomly fill the gauge faster for no obvious reason and let you win."

13 is trash. Only bad FF. Has nothing going for it besides the soundtrack and graphics and battle system is decent.

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« Reply #39485 on: July 10, 2023, 01:10:26 PM »
Demi I tried out BBS on a whim and I'm pretty impressed. :whew Looking forward to it. I'll play it after KH1.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #39486 on: July 17, 2023, 10:38:06 AM »
Anyone else tried out Exoprimal yet on Gamepass? It's a fun lil team shooter, but you're objective is to kill dinos quicker than the other team. You can't actually fight against the other team until the final round, if you're playing in the PvP mode. I haven't tried PvE yet, but I'm assuming that final round doesn't exist in that mode and whichever team kills all the dinos first wins.

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« Reply #39487 on: July 18, 2023, 02:14:46 PM »
Started playing Baldur's Gate II because when BG3 got announced I was like "finally time to sit down and play BG1/BG2" and I did actually play through BG1 and it was my first proper D&D campaign (not counting stuff like Pillars being off-brand D&D) and was a lot of fun once I got in the hang of it and through some mods on.

Then I was like I'll take a break a bit before BG2....and then four years went by and I forgot 100% of how to play D&D/BG. I did play through Planescape Torment in the meantime though!

So I started on BG2 and realized I have no fucking idea how to play these games. Took me like 30 mins of getting murdered through this opening horrible dungeon to figure out that to disarm traps you have the their use the "thieving" skill. Had totally forgotten about that. Still don't remember how THAC0 works at all and will need to look it up. No idea what to do with all this loot I can't carry and what's worth actually taking. Or how spells works, etc...

So I decided that I'd play Seige of the Dragonspear campaign for BG1 that Beamdog made which was sorta panned, sorta accepted as a short whatever mid-level campaign with writing nowhere as good as Bioware but decent combat scenarios.

I figure I'll use the 20 or so hours in Seige to re-learn how the fuck to play BG so I can go into BG2 actually knowing what I'm doing.


The problem is that Seige isn't like "hey this is a whole new campaign starting fresh, here's your tutorial opening". You literally load your BG1 endgame and have your same team with all their gear and items and all your inventories are full. So now I have no idea how to play and I have no inventory to pick up things -_-

But eh, I'll just not pick up stuff besides key items I guess lol since my gear is good since it's whatever I had at endgame, and I'll try to re-learn the combat and team formations and character builds. Then will go into BG2.


After Zelda and FF16, my rpg slate was pretty open for the rest of the year since Falcom's taking this year off with Kiseki/Trails in Japan and I don't reaaaally care about Ys' X. So I think my back half of 2023 rpg slate will be BG1 Seige of Dragonspear -> BG2 -> BG2 Throne of Bhaal -> BG3. Will be nice getting caught up on another series.

Maybe in 2024 can finally catch up on The Witcher 2/3/Cyberpunk.

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« Reply #39488 on: July 18, 2023, 09:57:52 PM »
Getting back in the hang of D&D. Still need to remember how Armor Class works and THAC0 and spell learning and where to identify stuff.

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« Reply #39489 on: July 19, 2023, 12:48:11 AM »
Been meaning to get back to BG2 also. I think I'm still in the beginning place.. can't figure out how to GTFO of there, so I dropped it awhile back.  There's some portal iirc, but I have no clue what I need to activate/go through it.

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« Reply #39490 on: July 19, 2023, 02:53:07 AM »
I see why people pan Seige of the Dragonspear. The quests are the most basic shit I've seen in a wrpg. They take like 5 seconds and consist of talking to person A and then talking to person B a few feet away. Kind of funny how simple they've written them.

Otherwise I'm enjoying this just for getting back in the hang of IE wrpg gameplay. Read up on Armor Class/THAC0 and went through my gear/spells/inventory and have a better feel for what's going on in combat.

If Seige really sucks, might drop it like 5 hours in when I've got back in the swing of D&D and just jump back to BG2. Idk, Seige is supposedly pretty short so will see.

The game is a bit buggy though. Constantly likes to scroll the map screen up like a controller drift on entering new screens or after cutscene events wtf. Can get around it by pausing it and unpausing it at least. Still bugggggy.

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« Reply #39491 on: July 22, 2023, 02:13:57 AM »
Finished Spiritfarer finally after a few months. Took me 27 hours and was at 98% completion. Mostly didn't do the final postgame errand bullshit.

Really good game but as a game has some design issues. Like as a game, the progression is a bit busted where it's super linear until the last act and then it's kind of aimless, there's a ton of grind towards the end, some of the mini-games suck and take forever like the forge, rewards for a lot of quests are...nothing and just timewasters. The whole cooking system is incredibly underutilized in that there's like 100 recipes but there's very little point in figuring them out besides a single trophy.

But

As a visual/audio interactive story experience game...it's a really nice game. Pretty sad, but enjoyed it a lot. Beautiful game, absolutely worth playing, glad I played it, but gameplay could've been designed better and the content was stretched out about an extra 1/3rd game time beyond what was actually there.

Oh and the Special Edition version (which because it was a free update is every version now) kinda makes the game worse. The final couple of characters that were added and their location at the Overbrook Hospital feels very lengthy and very separate. Which is great after you've finished the game and there's a substantial chunk added in its own zone, but on a first run the pacing of the game kind of nosedives when suddenly you're running back and forth to Overbrook a dozen times for like 6 hours. I kinda feel like maybe that stuff should've been gated off until after you've seen the ending once so the main game has a better pace and then you can do that after.

But yeah, I remember playing the demo when it first came and not feeling it outside the visuals with the slow sailing and not much to do. But after reading an article on it years later that sold me on giving it another shot, I did and glad I did because it's a game I'll definitely remember.

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« Reply #39492 on: July 24, 2023, 01:40:15 PM »
Pikmin 4 :rejoice
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« Reply #39493 on: July 24, 2023, 11:41:09 PM »
Groove on Fight

Found a note on my phone saying to play it. It’s the third game in the Goketsuji Ichizoku or Power Instinct series. Have no idea why I made the note. I never played other games in the series. Anyway, it’s a 2v2 fighting game of its era. Cool twist in arcade mode is your partner becoming the penultimate fight. For two fights it’s 1v1 and then 1v2. That’s about it. Awful loading times on the Saturn version I played.

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« Reply #39494 on: July 24, 2023, 11:59:05 PM »
Bought DREDGE cos I heard it was good and wanted to support an NZ studio. Turns out game is good! Very addicting gameplay loop, "just one more fish..." and then another hour has passed.
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« Reply #39495 on: July 25, 2023, 10:47:22 AM »
Bought DREDGE cos I heard it was good and wanted to support an NZ studio. Turns out game is good! Very addicting gameplay loop, "just one more fish..." and then another hour has passed.

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« Reply #39496 on: July 26, 2023, 11:27:06 AM »
Finished the first area (of 6) in Pikmin 4. It's nice, comfy gaming. There are some timed 1v1 battles against the AI that probably get tougher later on, but so far they've been easy.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #39497 on: July 27, 2023, 02:23:23 PM »
Groove on Fight

Found a note on my phone saying to play it. It’s the third game in the Goketsuji Ichizoku or Power Instinct series. Have no idea why I made the note. I never played other games in the series. Anyway, it’s a 2v2 fighting game of its era. Cool twist in arcade mode is your partner becoming the penultimate fight. For two fights it’s 1v1 and then 1v2. That’s about it. Awful loading times on the Saturn version I played.

If you get a chance, sail the high seas and get Power Instinct Matrimelee on MAME... I think that's the 5th (?) game in the series and definitely the most graphically impressive.
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« Reply #39498 on: July 29, 2023, 03:28:02 AM »
Baldur's Gate - Seige of the Dragonspear - Damn, it's very annoying that Jaheera and Khalid are a forced pair of teammates taking up two slots if you want either of them in BG1 or SoD. Was using Jaheera as one of my 3 melee wall tanks but after getting Khalid now I have 4 tanks, 1 thief priest and 1 wizard which is ok, but with all the job classes in BG it feels pretty redundant to have so many frontliner meattanks. Used to use the spot Khalid is taking up for an archer with various elemental arrows to hang back and like dispel magic and hit elements.

Especially annoying because of party alignment. I don't think there's any other "good alignment" tanks besides Jaheera/Khalid so if I ditch both of them I'm stuck with just Minsc and my paladin MC as the entire frontline which is tough, SoD has large number of enemy mobs and enemies hit hard so I like having 3 frontliners with good defense and HP.

Guess I'm stuck rolling 4 melee tanks for the rest of the expansion. Glad at the start of BG2

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« Reply #39499 on: July 29, 2023, 04:09:26 PM »
Baldur's Gate (and all Infinity Engine D&D games) makes me wish I had nerdy friends growing up who played D&D. I'm so used to rpg combat being tank/healer/attackers for the last 20+ years in everything, it's neat playing a battle system again that is very free form with tons of jobs and almost infinite ways to approach combat.

That said I'm mostly just playing it tanks up front absorbing damage and hitting things, mages in back firing missiles and fireballs and a healer healing things, so I'm not being all that creative in combat/party makeup.

But I definitely see the possibilities if I was more familiar with D&D and which spells are good for what. Like a lot of the status spells are ridiculously overpowered like Fear/Hold/Confusion. An enemy casts fear and my party runs everywhere and dies in like 5 secs.

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« Reply #39500 on: July 29, 2023, 11:56:13 PM »
Finished Baldur's Gate - Seige of Dragonspear

Maaaaan, I was doing pretty well for the first half taking care of quests and actually roleplaying. Then in the 2nd half I kept failing quests and quests not going the way I want them to roleplay and missing stuff and just rolling with it and kinda just zoned out and finished up the story by the end.

Was alright, but yeah the whole linear progression of the campaign where you can't revisit areas from previous chapters just makes completion a pain.

But definitely got myself back in the hang of how to play these games, detect traps, inventory management, party management, attack setups, useful spells, enemy weaknesses, etc...

Ready to start BG2 for real now.

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« Reply #39501 on: July 30, 2023, 05:10:05 AM »
Went through the opening dungeon in Baldur's Gate 2 proper, taking my time and exploring everywhere. Coming from BG1 engine, this is actually a pretty big step up in production values. Lots more companion dialogue interactions with the story, feels more like a modern rpg there. Graphics are a nice upgrade, cutscenes are better and lots of voice acting. Good stuff.

Was enjoying Imeon covering both the necessary Thief spot and Wizard spot...until you lose her right after the dungeon  :maf
Was wondering when I got Yoshimo why the game was giving me two thiefs. Oh well.

In Amn now, will check out the city tomorrow.

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« Reply #39502 on: July 30, 2023, 03:18:47 PM »
Also I want to talk about how in gaming forums for the last 20 years everyone always loves Minsc from BG and his space hamster



But in 2023, I gotta say Minsc kinda sucks. Idk maybe he'll get better in BG2. He's an annoying character who repeats these dumb lines over and over and his voice actor and their goofy fake accent is the worst. He's the kind of companion that when you're a teen in the 2000s would have been cool, but today as an adult he's terrible cringe.

He's not even a great tank or damage dealer (his berserk ability is the only thing that brings him there, but then he starts killing your own teammates  :-\ )

I used Minsc in BG1 and in Dragonspear. My party was basically good-alignment party of Minsc/Dynaheir/Jaheera/Khalid/Imeon. Maybe in BG2 I'll just use new companions only and ditch all the legacy ones since Dynaheir/Khalid are gone, Imeon just got grabbed and could do without Minsc/Jaheera.

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« Reply #39503 on: July 30, 2023, 07:09:42 PM »
Cleared Area 4 and got to the credits in Pikmin 4. It's not really the end of the game though, there's still two more "post game" areas.
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« Reply #39504 on: July 31, 2023, 01:21:22 AM »
Also I want to talk about how in gaming forums for the last 20 years everyone always loves Minsc from BG and his space hamster

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But in 2023, I gotta say Minsc kinda sucks. Idk maybe he'll get better in BG2. He's an annoying character who repeats these dumb lines over and over and his voice actor and their goofy fake accent is the worst. He's the kind of companion that when you're a teen in the 2000s would have been cool, but today as an adult he's terrible cringe.

I think that's a good summation. That sort of voice work was relatively new, especially in a CRPG and there wasn't a lot of those quirky characters that are in every RPG now. I don't think I even used him in BG2 because there were much better options.

I was going to go back and play these before BG3 but once I found out there wasn't anything linking them together I didn't bother. Might go back to them after BG3
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« Reply #39505 on: July 31, 2023, 12:45:44 PM »
Ok, BG2 has some weird confusion/coherence at times.

Like I'm in the main inn for recruiting party members (and there's a lot of them already), and then I go through a door and I'm in a sewer filled with hobgoblins and spirits, I take a turn and there's a mushroom king and I take another turn and I'm on a slaver ship and instantly everyone is attacking me.

I'm doing a lot of save scum/reloads in this because shit just randomly goes down at times.

About 5 hours in and still exploring out the starting city before leaving the city. Also considering the EE adds another thief to the inn, you literally have like THREE thieves at the start not even counting Imeon. It's like a thief party game. But yeah I do not want a party of 50% thieves for combat....

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« Reply #39506 on: July 31, 2023, 02:58:29 PM »
Really digging Double Dragon Gaiden.  Haven't finished it yet- did a run and got to the final boss level, but ran out of continues.  It's meant to be kind of a rogue lite type game so I cashed out and deleted the save to start over.  Not sure if the stuff I got to level up Bimmy n' Jimmy carries over with a deleted save -guessing not- but I got enough tokens to unlock Linda who seems to be pretty awesome.  The way this game works is that there are four main areas, but they are broken up into three stages each.  You won't play all of the stages on a run-through and what you do play depends on the order you do the areas in.  So the first area you pick will be one stage long and will be the easiest.  The second will be harder and have two stages and a mid-boss.  The last area you pick will have all three stages, mid-bosses, and the level boss will be powered-up and much harder.  Difficulty in general goes up with each level.  Inbetween stages you can also purchase upgrades to power up your character and occasionally tokens you can buy to unlock stuff.

You start with four characters (Billy, Jimmy, Marion, and Uncle Matin) and can unlock all of the main game bosses to play as (which includes some old-school faces like Linda, Abobo, Chin, etc.) including the final game boss.  There's also unlockable hints, art, and music.
I used Billy and Jimmy the whole time, but the last boss of the fourth stage I was on just wrecked me so I switched to Marion and found that I could then destroy her, easily, by spamming Marion's special bazooka attack.  I tried Uncle Matin after this on a new playthrough and he is AWESOME.  Wish I used him the first time.  It seems like only Billy and Jimmy can pick up and use items, but Uncle Matin doesn't need that shit.  He is a powerhouse.  Marion is all ranged weapons and I wasn't feeling her as much, but based on that boss fight it seems like she could come in handy as a good tag partner to bring in and spam bullets from across the screen.  Linda uses a knife and whip and seemed pretty OP.  I'm gonna try the next run with her and Uncle Matin.

This game doesn't really play like other Double Dragon games (it's supposed to be just like Streets Of Red, by the same devs, but I don't remember that game very well), but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty fun.  The controls are pretty basic and there's like one basic combo per character, but you have multiple special moves and you can tag in your partner to keep it going.

The game has some nice pixel art and good tunes, including new versions of classic DD music.  It's worth checking out if you like beat-em-ups!
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #39507 on: August 01, 2023, 01:13:35 AM »
Minsc was great when I was a teenager/early 20's.
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« Reply #39508 on: August 01, 2023, 04:51:26 AM »
BG2 - Some of the fights in this are hard as shit if you don't know the various strats that work on certain enemy types and you're just throwing stuff out save/reloads to see what hits and what the enemies/bosses are immune to.

Did the keep with the trolls pretty early on for Nalia's quest. Take a few hours but the final boss fight Torgal took like an hour of attempts at my lvl.8/9 party. Fun trying out different strategies but also kind of annoying when spells don't work like debuffs and holds and stuff. Keep also had a clay and iron golem that took a while to figure out how to hit them. At least every enemy type I clear I learn how to take them down for future encounters. D&D is really specific about what types of damage/spells work on each enemy.

Unfortunately there's no beastiary like jrpgs? Also no "libra" type thing that shows their stats and weaknesses. Basically just gotta google like I found out for Iron Golems you need at least +3 weapons to even hit them.

Only enemy I didn't fight and am saving for later at higher levels is a Lich I ran into in the city. I read it's immune to all spells lvl.5 or under. But at my levels, my spellcasters don't have any lvl.6 or higher spell slots. So basically can't do shit and will come back latter.

There are a crazy amount of quests I keep running into. Meaty game.


I wonder how much of the gameplay stuff will apply in BG3 even if the plots aren't related. Like knowing weaknesses and strats for enemy types.

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« Reply #39509 on: August 01, 2023, 06:42:39 AM »
Unfortunately there's no beastiary like jrpgs? Also no "libra" type thing that shows their stats and weaknesses. Basically just gotta google like I found out for Iron Golems you need at least +3 weapons to even hit them.

I don't remember BG2's manual but BG1 had a fucking War & Peace sized tome that might have had that information.
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« Reply #39510 on: August 01, 2023, 12:42:02 PM »
Unfortunately there's no beastiary like jrpgs? Also no "libra" type thing that shows their stats and weaknesses. Basically just gotta google like I found out for Iron Golems you need at least +3 weapons to even hit them.

I don't remember BG2's manual but BG1 had a fucking War & Peace sized tome that might have had that information.

BG2 manual was massive. This is all in the manual. Check there for information like that.
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« Reply #39511 on: August 01, 2023, 01:05:10 PM »
Yeah that makes sense that back in the day there were think manuals with this info.

Now with digital games I never look at the manuals.

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« Reply #39512 on: August 01, 2023, 01:11:46 PM »
But yeah BG2 is one of those games where you'll do a quest and get totally ransacked because you don't know the enemy type.
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« Reply #39513 on: August 01, 2023, 03:26:05 PM »
So I skimmed the manuals. Some useful stuff but when it comes to monsters it only lists like 10 of them and says "And many more monsters to discover in the world!"

But maybe the rest are all straight forward hit things and they die and those ones are the unique ones you need special weapons to hit. The golems/trolls I encountered were some of the ones listed.

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« Reply #39514 on: August 01, 2023, 03:28:51 PM »
After BG2/ToB/BG3, maybe I'll finally play Icewind Dale/NWN2/Dragon Age 1/Arcanum if I'm still in the mood.

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« Reply #39515 on: August 02, 2023, 04:48:30 AM »
BG2 has this weird sense of urgency all the time for so many quests that I keep getting distracted when trying to do quests and having to drop them and do other stuff and come back.

Like I go to pick up a party member but they're so far away, my party is fatigued, so I go to rest at the nearest inn only to get jumped by assassins and now I have a party member cursed whose going to die and I have to stop everything I'm doing and chase them down.

Or I'm trying to explore the sewers to find a cult and I take a doorway and it leads me to an evil mage's room which then leads me to a Planescape Torment dungeon that I have to finish before I can get out.

It's kind of cool in that the game fucks with you constantly with nonstop events everywhere, but it's also a little bit annoying in how often I get interrupted from trying to do a specific quest.

Also with so many companions, it's tough keeping a party going. I keep wanting to switch things up and use everyone. And can't believe I'm over 20 hours in now and I still haven't finished exploring out all the sections of the starting town. Still have like 2 big sections to explore out. This game is gonna take me like 100 hours. BG1 took me like 30-40 hours, so this is way bigger.

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« Reply #39516 on: August 02, 2023, 05:32:01 AM »
BG2 - Some of the fights in this are hard as shit if you don't know the various strats that work on certain enemy types and you're just throwing stuff out save/reloads to see what hits and what the enemies/bosses are immune to.

I believe Baldur's gate is pretty faithful to the D&D rules. I have limited experience with proper D&D, but in my experience you run into the same problems there. The information on enemies and the world is limited because the idea is simulate a real group of adventures in a fantasy which wouldn't have access to information about the world like you have in videogames. The scenarios there have plenty of super tough situations. The difference is that you have a dungeon master there wo can manipulate luck or change the experience (like foreshadowing that the big enemy around the corner might be to tough kill right now) to save the party from death. That doesn't exist in the computer games so you have to rely on saving a lot.

I remember when party members were killed in Baldur's Gate and I first tried to sleep at the Inn and then revitalize them. Was pretty shocked when I found out how expensive revive is and that some members were permakilled. Not the user friendly experience i was used to from Final Fantasy VI.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #39517 on: August 02, 2023, 10:34:41 AM »
Started playing Bayonetta Origins, so far it feels kinda meh but I'll give it a chance. Controlling two characters at once makes it seem like neither character's ability are going to be very deep. Just bind with Cereza and slash with Cheshire. Maybe that's fine if it has some well designed levels, but so far it's just been really straightforward.
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« Reply #39518 on: August 02, 2023, 08:47:45 PM »




Picked up and played through Luna's Fishing Garden - 2-3 hour resource management light gardening/fishing sim on islands with nice pixel art and chill music.

Fishing mini-game could've been better, but overall was enjoyable.

As I'm getting more into these farming/garden games, a genre I've never been into, I'm learning that a lot of the ones on timers are better if you play them in a second window while doing something else so they just run on their own and you flip over when the timers are ready. Otherwise they can get kind of grindy waiting on timers.

I think the key to making a good farming/garden game is to have a good sense of progression so it never just feels like a big grind. Luna's Fishing Garden doesn't quite do that, but it's short enough and chill that it's mostly fine for what it is for a couple of bucks.

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« Reply #39519 on: August 03, 2023, 02:42:38 AM »
Did the long quest within a quest within a quest of the Beholder cult in the sewers in Baldur's Gate 2. That was a long questline!

Also I actually beat all the Gauths and Beholders on normal without finding out about the shield of Balduran that reflects they eye beams. Just a lot of quick saving, buffing party and having people fire everything and try not to die and resting after big fights. Looked up how you're supposed to fight beholders afterwards and saw that basically everyone says you just buy the shield in the promenade market that reflects their eye beams. Oh well.

Some good fights in there.

Also just found out that the reason my party is always fatigued is because casting haste twice in D&D causes fatigue afterwards :(  I use haste for questing just to speed up map movement walking around so much. Oh well, I just go to inns a lot and rest.

A lot of these companions are pretty shitty annoying people  :lol
Got that Paladin guy Keldron when doing that quest and he really sucks.
Anomen sucks too.
Jan is too whiny.
Minsc is Minsc.
Nalia is a clueless dumpster diver

It's like they make all the companions kind of nuts on purpose. I guess that's the point lol

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« Reply #39520 on: August 04, 2023, 02:04:54 AM »
I kind of respect how BG2 treats the companion characters from BG1. Like killing them off in quests or having them just be NPCs in the world. Lot of everything's fair game in this one.

Also even though BG2 has fewer companions than BG1, the personal quests for each character are pretty solid and actually develop the characters and make them feel more interesting legit rpg story party members. Excited for BG3 and its companions. I'm enjoying the D&D worldlore of the various factions across all the planes.

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« Reply #39521 on: August 04, 2023, 02:53:55 AM »
Give Falllout a play some time.
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« Reply #39522 on: August 04, 2023, 04:26:27 AM »
Give Falllout a play some time.

Yeah, I've played all the old ones and F3 and NV. I thought Fallout 3 was really weak, but 1/2/NV are some of the crpgs out there. Never bothered with F4.

Hopefully Bethesda lets Obsidian make NV2. Probably would be a better use of their skills than what Avowed looks like.

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« Reply #39523 on: August 04, 2023, 04:36:08 AM »
Basically while I've played like 100s of jrpgs over the years, the list of crpgs I've played is a lot shorter since I wasn't into crpgs growing up and only started getting into them around PS3/X360 era thanks to Mass Effect 1/Alpha Protocol/New Vegas:

-Fallout 1/2/3/NV
-BG1/Seige of Dragonspear
-Planescape Torment
-Pillars 1/2
-Tyranny
-Alpha Protocol
-The Outer Worlds
-Mass Effect 1/2
-KoTOR1
-Divinity OS2
-Witcher 1
-Disco Elysium

Probably missing a few, but that's most of 'em. Haven't played:

Ultima series
Witcher 2/3
Mass Effect 3
Dragon Age series
Jade Empire
Wasteland series
Jagged Alliance series
Icewind Dale 1/2
Neverwinter Nights 1/2
Arcanum
Temple of Elemental Evil
Divinity OS1
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines
Pathfinder 1/2
Morrowind/Skyrim (played a bit of Oblivion when it came out and kinda hated it. I don't like Bethesda rpgs like this and Fallout 3, too shallow/boring)
Torment: Tides of Numera
KoTOR2
Cyberpunk

And google seems to list the new Shadowrun games as crpgs though I don't think they really are, but I only played Returns and still need to play Dragonfall/HK

So yeah, definitely have plenty of crpgs to catch up on over the years.

But yeah, at 33 hours in now, Baldur's Gate 2 is living up to the acclaim it's always had. Makes me wonder what happened to this era of Bioware that was more morally grey messed up world and factions and choices vs press up for good, down for evil modern Bioware.
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« Reply #39524 on: August 04, 2023, 05:45:05 AM »
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This is really good, would be interesting to go back and play it after BG3 if you've not played it before. The sequel sucks
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« Reply #39525 on: August 04, 2023, 12:44:28 PM »
I kind of respect how BG2 treats the companion characters from BG1. Like killing them off in quests or having them just be NPCs in the world. Lot of everything's fair game in this one.

Also even though BG2 has fewer companions than BG1, the personal quests for each character are pretty solid and actually develop the characters and make them feel more interesting legit rpg story party members. Excited for BG3 and its companions. I'm enjoying the D&D worldlore of the various factions across all the planes.

Have you played Divinity: Original Sin 2?  It's my understanding that it's the predecessor to BG3, not BG2.
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« Reply #39526 on: August 04, 2023, 01:17:16 PM »
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This is really good, would be interesting to go back and play it after BG3 if you've not played it before. The sequel sucks

I think you're like the first person whose ever told me they like OS1 more than OS2  :P
Pretty sure the general consensus is that OS2 is a huge improvement over OS1 and makes OS1 kind of irrelevant. That's what everyone told me when I wanted to play them in order with OS1 first, but everyone said skip to OS2.

To me Original Sin 2 is probably the best crpg (maybe rpg?) in the last decade. Thought it was a fantastic game. I tried to play OS1 right after, but it was tough going back to it after all the quality of life improvements in OS2.

I kind of respect how BG2 treats the companion characters from BG1. Like killing them off in quests or having them just be NPCs in the world. Lot of everything's fair game in this one.

Also even though BG2 has fewer companions than BG1, the personal quests for each character are pretty solid and actually develop the characters and make them feel more interesting legit rpg story party members. Excited for BG3 and its companions. I'm enjoying the D&D worldlore of the various factions across all the planes.

Have you played Divinity: Original Sin 2?  It's my understanding that it's the predecessor to BG3, not BG2.

Ya, see above.

I'm still expecting the game to have a lot of Baldur's Gate stuff, though with the turn-based combat I'm expecting the combat to be closer to OS2. Otherwise what is the point of them getting the license and calling it Baldur's Gate 3 when they could've just made the same game and called it Divinity OS3?

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« Reply #39527 on: August 04, 2023, 08:57:36 PM »
I'm curious if Baldur's Gate 3 handles it's combat calculations more modern and standard like Divinity OS2 or if it uses D&D dice roll logic.

I swear trying to learn the combat in BG1/2, 2nd edition? D&D is like taking a programming course in a new language. Constantly learning things. Like I always figured a "round" was one attack for each character. Had no idea melee characters get like 5 attacks per round. Been reading up on dual wielding and it's pretty weird with just one attack per round from the off-hand and the main use being just holding the off-hands like shields for their passives.

But hey, I killed Lich! I was like why isn't my breach spell working on all its shields and then read up that they're immune to lvl.5 and under spells which include breach and if you aren't cheesing them, the proper strategy is to just buff up your defense and hold tight for 4 rounds until their protection from magical weapons expires and then you can actually hit them and take them down quick.

Finished up pretty much all the quests in the starting city in BG2 around 38 hours, going to do the few quests in the world outside the city and then off to Spellhold and see what happens next.

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« Reply #39528 on: August 05, 2023, 12:46:08 AM »
OS2 has that  armour system which is more work than it's worth. I can understand other people liking it but it wasn't anywhere near as enjoyable for me as OS1
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« Reply #39529 on: August 05, 2023, 01:45:50 AM »
Tonight I did one of the larger BEAMDOG sections and yeah...it kind of brings down the game quality overall.

Like their original expansion Seige of Dragonspear was ok, maybe like a 7/10, but the quests were bad and it was buggy (worse than Obsidian level stuff. Short game but still had several bugged quests I couldn't complete).

Here it's like everything in BG2 is fantastic. Good story stuff, good characters, great quests, great combat scenarios. And then you go to the Wild Mage BEAMDOG village and suddenly you're spending 45 mins chasing down cats, having terrible quests, having quests bug out on you (my first quest in my journal that will sit until the ending because I can't complete it), pretty iffy combat scenarios. Like very weak stuff, hurts the pacing, and if you didn't know those were original sections, you'd just think BG2 had weak sections like that.

I like the original companions Beamdog created, some fun banter, and their main storylines are decent 8/10 stuff, but their quest/gameplay design is pretty bad. Wish there was a button to just turn off Beamdog content. The two companion questlines I've done so far of theirs Hexxat and Neera, both were pretty iffy but both are interesting characters story-wise and class kit wise.

Although they made a wild magic forest map which void of quests is just a fun map with enemy encounters since any spell causes pure chaos and destruction. Yeah, Wild Mage is too crazy for me.

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« Reply #39530 on: August 06, 2023, 01:35:15 PM »
FFXVI - Making slow ass progress.  Did the Titan battle last night though.  That was 30 minutes of a non-stop spectical.  :whew Damn, this game can swing so hard during these battles.  It needs this difibulator boost after that last slog.  Not sure how my past 8 hours of progress only accounted for 4% of progress according to the game counter.  :oreilly

The past few slumps in FF16, I would jump into.. you guessed it, Dragon's Dogma.   Still a much more remarkable game.  It still manages to surprise me with things.  Recently found out that you can stack random boxes and barrels throughout Gran Soren in Florvinal's house to grab the Gold idol sitting up in the corner of their room.  :mindblown
Also, playing now with earbuds, as opposed to shitty TV speakers back when playing on PS3, the sound quality in this game is top notch.  The ambient noises in the town, and also the enclosed windy gusts from the BlueMoon Tower trail, to the breaking branches in Witch Wood, to the spilling blood sound when slaying a wolf.. It is quite immersive. 
Jesus, I love this game so much.  It's borderline neck and neck to MGS1 as the GOAT.  Jumping to DD directly from FF16, this game was so ahead of its time.  DD2 is going to be insane.  It will be the apex of the vortex of gaming.   :rejoice

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« Reply #39531 on: August 06, 2023, 02:35:44 PM »
BG2

Tradesmeet was a good little town section. I liked the small touches like getting statues of your team for saving the town. Pretty much have maxed heroic rep now. Cernd the druid was alright.

Still not really sure what my final team make up will be. Basically been using these 5:

MC Paladin for tanking/damage (if I restarted BG1 from scratch I would've just made a fighter for better damage/hp. I hardly use the few priest skills Paladin gets)
Minsc for other tank/damage
Haer'Dalis for dual weilding melee DPS with offensive stance running and some buffs, also can hang back with defensive stance and fire off mage spells and buffs
Aerie for badass mage casting and priest heals/buffs
Jan for trap finding, thieving and mage casting

So basically have a flexible party of 3 melee frontliners / 2 mage casters / 1 priest / 1 thief that can also be 2 melee frontliners / 3 mage casters / 1 priest / 1 theif.

With the extra slot right now:
Yoshimo - absolutely pointless since a thief only and Jan's my full-time thief
Anomen - decent paladin tank, but just kind of repetitive since my MC is a paladin tank
Keldorn - I hear he destroys mages as an inquistor because his dispel magic goes by double his character level, but otherwise he's just a boring frontline melee fighter who doesn't hit hard
Volgorn - this evil dwarf is a badass strong frontline attacker, but I'm running a good party and he's kind of a problem :| Where is the good alignment strong fighter? I guess in BG1 that was Khalid but...
Jaheira - She's honestly a pretty good frontline melee attacker though with 2H quarterstaff she loses access to a shield or an off-hand passive. But her druid spells like insect swarm and animal summons are great, plus she can heal and buff a bit. This is why she's generally my 6th slot.
Nalia - Decent theif/mage, but Jan is that but better so really no point unless I need another caster for a dungeon/boss
Cernd - Decent melee/druid, but can't wear armor (wtf) and Jaheira is the exact same build but can wear armor and just better overall
Edmond - Great pure caster with access to high level spells (something that is a problem for all my other casters because they're multi-class so they're levels behind), but too evil and conflicts with other party members like Minsc, so can't use him.

(EE beamdog characters)
Neera - Wild mage yeah no thanks, I'm not fucking with that.
Rasaad - decent damage monk but monk's with their no equipment are just too limited for me in BG1/2
Dorn - Can't use him because he's pure evil alignment
Hexxat - Same
Wilson the Bear - Idk, just got him, he's basically the same issue as a monk with no armor and limited but at least he has good HP and hits hard. Since I just got him I'll keep him in my party for a bit before I ditch him.

Might be forgetting one or two other companions. But yeah, probably will just end up with Jaheira as my permanent 6th slot so I have 3 frontline melees / 3 casters / 2 priests / 1 thief. Pretty balanced.

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« Reply #39532 on: August 06, 2023, 02:43:51 PM »
But yeah, Beamdog programming is sooooo bad. I know they're just coming out with their original rogue/rpg following BG1/2/Planescape/ID EEs but I would not touch one of their games based on how buggy their shit is here.

I've had not a single bug in BG2 in any of the Bioware main content. But so far with Beamdog characters:

Hexxat - She gives you a holding bag container that has a coffin in it that ways like 1,000lbs. I accidently took it out into my inventory while trying to clear unneeded shit from the bag to make space. Turns out the coffin is an immovable item, so I can't move it back into the container and it weighs 1,000 pounds so my MC character is stuck in place. Hadn't saved in a bit, so had to use a save editor to delete it from my inventory. Wtf.

Neera - Her wild mage village finding cats quest is awful, though not a bug, but then the design where you can fail turning in quests without any warning and they stay in your journal is total bullshit. Also the end of her questline is just a million enemy casters unbalanced spam bullshit.

Rasaad - There's a sidequest along the way with some adventurers that literally instant killed my MC in a cutscene on a bug. -_- Also the end fight is a bunch of tons of enemies spam bullshit that Beamdog likes to do.

Wilson the Bear - This secret NPC is stupid because you have to do it before entering a door that an NPC that basically approaches you and talks to you right away when you enter and opens the door. The internet has a page dedicated to instructions to use the console commands to respawn Wilson because otherwise 99% of people will miss it because it's stupid.

Dorn - Not bugged (so far), but unlike the evil characters in Bioware games where you can at least get them without fucking up your rep, to even get him you have to go murder an entire church and kill your rep. Just dumb.

So basically to get through their original character stuff have had to use save editors, console commands and journal mods because it's all been busted.

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« Reply #39533 on: August 06, 2023, 02:47:15 PM »
Also for mods, the only modding I'm using on this run for QoL is:

-Changed all characters move speeds to triple so don't have to keep blasting haste just to walk around towns doing quests and then always been fatigued and everyone complaining every second about how tired they are.

-Journal mod to filter active and completed quests so you can easily see what quests are left active.

-Instant trap detection for find traps. Because the normal way it works is ridiculously annoying for a videogame. Having to quicksave every 5 seconds and move your thief 5 steps and wait for a turn to pass to detect, repeat, repeat. Now once a trap comes into range if your thief can detect it, it instantly detects without waiting a turn. Just really helpful QoL for speeding up moving around.

Otherwise just running it through on vanilla normal mode and it's a good challenge and fun. Party is around lvl.12-14 now as I'm doing the last two optional maps before Spellhold (Umar Hills and Windspear Valley). Game is great, huge improvement over BG1 and living up to the hype as one of the best crpgs of all time.

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« Reply #39534 on: August 07, 2023, 12:50:49 AM »
Got the last two companions, Valygar and Mazzy.

Valygar...eh, a pure ranger/scout that can only 3x backstab and use some very low level spells. I'm using him for a bit but will drop him because Jan as my thief/mage already can backstab (at 5x!) and scout out ahead + he is a good mage caster.

Mazzy though, her +5 proficiency in shortbow + high dex is crazy for a ranged attacker. Gave her a bow that doesn't require arrows and fires everything as +3 missiles and she just melts everything from range. Think I found my 6th slot character. She has like zero support for the team since her spells only heal/buff herself, but she's pretty awesome.



Also did my first superboss kinda fight w/Firkraag where you save and reload a dozen times tuning your strats and get closer and closer to beating it until you finally win with your whole party dead. Doing these kinds of fights and reading up online on different approaches people use is cool. The depths of the D&D combat in BG1/2 and Pillars of Eternity is real satisfying for major fights.

Alllmost ready to head to Spellhold and move the story forward.

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« Reply #39535 on: August 07, 2023, 09:42:36 PM »
One thing I like about BG2 is how wacky and expansive of the Forgotten Realms/D&D universe it is.

Like you go in expecting medieval orcs and trolls and stuff, and then end up meeting characters from Sigil/Planescape and doing a dungeon in Planescape. Or you go in a giant spaceship ball that's crashed landed in the city slums and it teleports you to another dimension where you have to exit the ship and go explore an alien dimension and kill weird alien monsters to power the ship.

My only experience with The Forgotten Realms is BG1/2 and that D&D Movie, but seems like a crazy universe with a lot of variety. Makes me want to check out other stuff that takes place in the universe lore, like maybe one of the better books.

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« Reply #39536 on: August 08, 2023, 12:21:20 PM »
Went back to finish up Fire Emblem Engage, which got put on hold when FF16 came out. Almost finished, just got the last battle left of the main campaign. Can't say that I really enjoyed it that much, Three Houses was a lot better.
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« Reply #39537 on: August 08, 2023, 03:58:52 PM »
Did you play it on hard?

It is probably the best strategy gameplay the series had in a while but the side stuff was a bit meh.
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« Reply #39538 on: August 08, 2023, 04:28:11 PM »
Yeah, the last few missions are tough with the reinforcement spam. The story and the castle sim stuff were awful.
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« Reply #39539 on: August 09, 2023, 11:54:35 PM »
BG2 - Finished everything in the game you can do before Spellhold outside of Watchers Keep and went and did Spellhold. Was ok, enjoyed the story stuff, Irenicus is a solid villain, but the asylum dungeon was a bit annoying. Also the pathfinding in narrow hallways makes narrow hallway dungeons way more annoying because your party keeps getting stuck :\

Also I didn't realize I needed to take Yoshimo, dude should have said something like "take me!"

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So I missed his whole betrayal and death scene and didn't have room in my party for Imoen so told her to get out on her own and I'd see her in a few chapters.

But was able to find a playthrough on youtube with Yoshimo so I watched the Yoshimo stuff that way.
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