Author Topic: star trek (Read 381987 times)

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2820 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:05:41 PM »

If you say so.

Tasty · « **Reply #2821 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:09:28 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on April 02, 2020, 12:58:07 PM

as far as the new stuff i like beyond and picard and i think the rest are varying levels of meh to bad. i just also think that old trek is probably never coming back the way people want so comparing everything to it seems sorta pointless.

That's true, but I just wonder if... hmmm...

Like there are times when a media franchise will do a big change, and it fucking rules, and people glob on and it takes the universe in an entirely new direction. And then there's the cases where it's more mixed, or negative. Sometimes the new direction takes hold, but sometimes it doesn't and the people who liked the series as it was originally either come back, or get promoted, because the new direction has run its course.

Media companies can and will try anything to stay relevant of course. Microcosms of this happen in the comics world every other year it feels like. In gaming it basically happened with Devil May Cry.

So I do think something *like* old Trek could one day carry the Trek brand again. Saying it can't happen is defeatist. I don't think anyone wants TOS remade shot for shot or anything, but a positive outlook of the future where the humans are mostly the good guys? Just like old Trek I gotta hold out hope.

Edit- My opinion on DS9 is that it was great but I mostly appreciated that it was concurrent with Voyager, so you still got something like the classic experience.

If today there were a more classic type show running alongside a darker show (or shows... is Section 13 or whatever still happening? Did it already happen?), I don't think the ire would be pronounced. But this is metacommentary which I'm trying to avoid...

nachobro · « **Reply #2822 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:13:10 PM »

hey i couched it with "probably" lol. something in the old trek style certainly could come back but i'm not gonna sit around pining for it. for now, i'll just take each new property as its own thing i guess.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2823 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:27:51 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 02, 2020, 01:09:28 PM

If today there were a more classic type show running alongside a darker show (or shows... is Section 13 or whatever still happening? Did it already happen?), I don't think the ire would be pronounced. But this is metacommentary which I'm trying to avoid...

All something needs to do is be genuinely good to silence the nay sayers.
TNG had plenty of naysayers but it was actually good.
BSG reboot had plenty of prerelease doubt, and questioning the move to a a darker and edgier take.

Nothing in nuTrek has hit that. It's why the frustration.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2824 on:** April 02, 2020, 01:51:33 PM »

Exactly. I dont need something to be similar for TNG or DS9 otherwise its bad.. nah not at all.

I just want something intelligent. Something aspirational. Something fresh. Something good.

I dont care about the format

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2825 on:** April 03, 2020, 10:08:21 AM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2826 on:** April 04, 2020, 10:13:33 AM »

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2827 on:** April 04, 2020, 11:30:50 AM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2828 on:** April 06, 2020, 01:32:33 PM »

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Star Trek: Picard Series Is a Psychological Character Study Says Producer Alex Kurtzman

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2829 on:** April 06, 2020, 01:36:39 PM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2830 on:** April 06, 2020, 01:43:12 PM »

'proof that Odo eats ass'

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2831 on:** April 06, 2020, 07:50:05 PM »

VomKriege · « **Reply #2832 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:28:37 AM »

All things considered, I think they made Q seem like a sympathetic entertainer. A lot of the negative things were played off as funny and they really went as far as "he could've been joking, but idunno"

VomKriege · « **Reply #2833 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:30:41 AM »

Anjohl definitely killed his wife tho.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2834 on:** April 07, 2020, 11:30:06 AM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2835 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:17:40 PM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2836 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:19:05 PM »

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VomKriege · « **Reply #2837 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:19:44 PM »

MornHub

Momo · « **Reply #2838 on:** April 07, 2020, 12:43:47 PM »

Looks like one of those bone heads from Babylon 5 giving the lobe job

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2839 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:08:54 PM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2840 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:29:41 PM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2841 on:** April 10, 2020, 11:16:22 AM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2842 on:** April 17, 2020, 04:25:14 PM »

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2843 on:** April 17, 2020, 04:26:44 PM »

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2844 on:** April 17, 2020, 06:28:48 PM »

start wreck

Tasty · « **Reply #2845 on:** April 17, 2020, 06:29:59 PM »

Star Wack

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2846 on:** April 17, 2020, 06:33:58 PM »

Should have had him in s1

Dont know why they are making s2 with this revived corpse

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2847 on:** April 17, 2020, 06:38:30 PM »

Because it's entertaining.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2848 on:** April 17, 2020, 06:47:12 PM »

Because what else is someone going to sign up to CBS All Access for?

chronovore · « **Reply #2849 on:** April 18, 2020, 01:21:41 AM »

http://twitter.com/brianwatson80/status/1250396434777554944

Momo · « **Reply #2850 on:** April 18, 2020, 03:47:04 AM »

That's why everybody knew their name and they never left that bar

nachobro · « **Reply #2851 on:** April 18, 2020, 09:24:10 AM »

Does that mean Woody and Sam were holograms like Vic Fontane?

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2852 on:** April 18, 2020, 02:17:39 PM »

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VomKriege · « **Reply #2853 on:** April 19, 2020, 08:16:54 AM »

Attention Bajoran Workers : We will reopen the economy. Return to your stations now.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2854 on:** April 19, 2020, 02:31:01 PM »

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2855 on:** April 22, 2020, 02:57:21 PM »

Pretty trash episode only redeeming thing is the banter between Quark and Odo.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2856 on:** April 22, 2020, 03:00:11 PM »

Move Along Home is dreadful.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2857 on:** April 22, 2020, 03:03:32 PM »

I am going through DS9 as well man like half the season was pretty good and then shit episodes like that pop up and it never really recovers.

nachobro · « **Reply #2858 on:** April 22, 2020, 03:17:08 PM »

that first season is pretty rough but the character bits are too good to skip on a first time watch

VomKriege · « **Reply #2859 on:** April 22, 2020, 03:21:32 PM »

I think DS9 has less absolute stinkers than TNG on average. First season is uneven though.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2860 on:** April 22, 2020, 06:31:26 PM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on April 22, 2020, 06:21:05 PM

Quote from: D3RANG3D on April 22, 2020, 03:03:32 PM
I am going through DS9 as well man like half the season was pretty good and then shit episodes like that pop up and it never really recovers.
Battle Lines was amazing. Vortex was alright. The rest of this series must be pretty good if this is considered the worst season.

It's arguably the best first season of any trek, but I think TOS S1 is better.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2861 on:** April 22, 2020, 06:36:41 PM »

Ya DS9 and TOS are the only ones that could even be close to having a good first season and both have some pretty terrible episodes.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2862 on:** April 22, 2020, 06:43:08 PM »

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2863 on:** April 22, 2020, 07:59:00 PM »

Ok this made me want to get on the DS9 re-watch train. Commander, Help meeeeeeeee.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2864 on:** April 22, 2020, 08:06:39 PM »

I know there are people who don't like the Ferengi episodes, and they are wrong and should feel bad because those are great.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2865 on:** April 22, 2020, 08:08:03 PM »

not gonna spoil it for you, but Nog has one of the best developed character arcs in sci fi

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2866 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:03:00 AM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2867 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:04:50 AM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on April 22, 2020, 08:06:39 PM

I know there are people who don't like the Ferengi episodes, and they are wrong and should feel bad because those are great.

The one episode where he goes to ferenginar does suck tho

VomKriege · « **Reply #2868 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:25:22 AM »

Ferengi episodes are all over the place. The comedy really got kind of tired after a while. Better than Mirror universe episodes tho
Since we're on cursed Trek, Lwaxana's DS9 were among her best too and I say that as someone who didn't mind the character.

The other absolute stinker in DS9 I can think of is when Dax has that romance with dimension shifting dude. Maybe Dax and the serial killer in the last season too. I'm sure I'm forgetting a handful but overall it's not so much the episodes than some of the trends it finishes on (Bashir, Vic Fontaine, PROPHETS).

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2869 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:29:44 AM »

I have a soft spot for mirror universe cuz evil Kira.

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Lwaxana actually has a decent episode in S1 of TNG where Diana was betrothed to some childhood friend ok that part was shit but Data saved that episode with his fascination of biologicals and their petty bickering.

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MMaRsu · « **Reply #2870 on:** April 23, 2020, 07:37:38 AM »

That bodysuit

VomKriege · « **Reply #2871 on:** April 23, 2020, 07:43:22 AM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on April 23, 2020, 05:29:44 AM

I have a soft spot for mirror universe cuz evil Kira.

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Lwaxana actually has a decent episode in S1 of TNG where Diana was betrothed to some childhood friend ok that part was shit but Data saved that episode with his fascination of biologicals and their petty bickering.
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The actors have a lot of fun but the stories are really not that great. Way too many episodes.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #2872 on:** April 23, 2020, 08:04:36 AM »

Oh man evil Kira

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2873 on:** April 23, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #2874 on:** April 23, 2020, 09:08:28 AM »

The only main criticism I have for DS9 with regards to its quality overall is that I felt Terry Ferrell ultimately was unable with her acting to match the material of her character. The writers/showrunners clearly loved Dax’s character and gave her plenty of “meat to chew on”, but I don’t feel like she was ever able to really nail it, especially when you start comparing it to others like Quark and Odo, never mind even trying to stack her up against the likes of Kira or Sisko. Maybe that was related to conflict she was apparently having behind the scenes?

VomKriege · « **Reply #2875 on:** April 23, 2020, 04:02:10 PM »

I've heard the argument made the other way, that she can act fine but the writing wasn't up to the character, there's definitely the feeling she was the eye candy of the cast for the producers. It's maybe a bit of both. Shosta mentioned how jarring it was that apparently there was no jurisprudence of any kind about the host and/or symbiote responsibility in case of a crime and overall the background mythology is surprisingly vague. I was not impressed by the Trill aquarium in a cave, to take another example. Odo and Quark are much stronger characters with very heavy traits, Brooks is a scenery chewer and Visitor is by far the strongest actor in the core cast. Farrell is not there but I think she's on the level of Siddig.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2876 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:06:00 PM »

The problem with Dax is you're supposed to buy that Jadzia Dax acts so similarly to Curzon that Sisko can't help but instantly recognise his traits and mannerisms and find it difficult to see Jadzia as her own person, but then they fuck that up first by showing Curzon as played by Odo, a totally fucking unrecognisable character, and then introducing Ezri, also a totally fucking unrecognisable character

e: also leaned way too fucking hard into wannabe klingon storylines

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2877 on:** April 23, 2020, 05:18:34 PM »

Yeah Worf the Klingaboo was enough.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2878 on:** April 23, 2020, 08:00:54 PM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on April 23, 2020, 07:56:56 PM

Duet was a great episode. I agree that #NotAllGermans were bad people.

Duet is the best episode in S1. This is something they'll revisit a lot with a lot of success but rarely better than it does.

chronovore · « **Reply #2879 on:** April 23, 2020, 11:09:21 PM »

I remember watching the first season of Voyager and drifting away from it. I'm watching s2 off-and-on, and it's basically TNG methadone. It's nearly TNG, but it doesn't get me high.

I should just go back to DS9, but I can't watch that and do dishes or laundry at the same time. I have to focus on it. It's good TV.

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Author Topic: star trek (Read 381987 times)