Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE (Read 2656077 times)

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1140 on:** June 07, 2013, 10:08:13 AM »

But really, there's virtually no privacy whatsoever anymore, thanks to our current digital world. If it's not the government, it's Facebook themselves, lapping up all your information and selling it to the highest bidder in the name of advertising. Dismantling this program won't change any of that, but maybe it will shed a little light on the wider problems.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1141 on:** June 07, 2013, 10:13:27 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 10:08:13 AM

But really, there's virtually no privacy whatsoever anymore, thanks to our current digital world. If it's not the government, it's Facebook themselves, lapping up all your information and selling it to the highest bidder in the name of advertising. Dismantling this program won't change any of that, but maybe it will shed a little light on the wider problems.

Well to be fair facebook isn't stockpiling information you didn't already offer up yourself. Invading the privacy of a personal call is much worse imo.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1142 on:** June 07, 2013, 10:43:16 AM »

I don't think this is a matter of left v right. It seems clear to me that each president will become progressively worse than the previous one on civil liberties and gross executive power as long as the war on terror lasts. And despite what Obama says, it looks like a forever war.

Still, I sure as hell would not have guessed that Obama would be far worse on civil liberties than Bush.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1143 on:** June 07, 2013, 12:43:41 PM »

Obama quotes:

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"When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. That's not what this program's about," Obama said.

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"With respect to all these programs, the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these programs."

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He added: "If the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, they have to go back to a federal judge just like they would in a criminal investigation. So I want to be very clear: some of the hype that we've hearing over the last day or so, nobody's listening to the content of peoples' phone calls."

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"This does not apply to U.S. citizens, and this does not apply to people living in the United States," Obama said in California.

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"I came in with healthy skepticism about these programs," he added. "I can say that evaluating these programs they make a difference to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-dismisses-hype-over-nsa-reports-nobody-is

Believe it or don't.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1144 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:06:54 PM »

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lindsey-graham-glad-nsa-gathering-phone-records-i-know-im-not-talking-to-terrorists/

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1145 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:08:58 PM »

Who makes calls anymore, though? Doesn't everybody just fucking text each other? I mean, my voicemail message even says, "You've reached so and so, WHY DIDN'T YOU TEXT ME???" No one actually LIKES talking on the fucking phone.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1146 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:18:05 PM »

You know you're doing something wrong when Lindsey Graham defends you. :'(

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1147 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:33:57 PM »

Other than a couple of nutbars in the House, I doubt you'll see many elected GOP officials criticize the administration for this. This sort of thing is a feature of what our country is now, not a bug.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1148 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:34:40 PM »

I remember when we were howling about the patriot act and the right was all "shut the fuck up hippies" and now they mad about it but they sure as fuck won't do anything about it now. So fuck them, fuck Obama.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1149 on:** June 07, 2013, 01:38:26 PM »

There is also a big difference between collecting meta data and warrantless wiretapping.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1150 on:** June 07, 2013, 02:04:43 PM »

Michelle Malkin: Bush's Spying OK Because He Supported 'War on Terror'

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #1151 on:** June 07, 2013, 02:15:39 PM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 07, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

Michelle Malkin: Bush's Spying OK Because He Supported 'War on Terror'

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1152 on:** June 07, 2013, 02:57:19 PM »

Liberals dismissing civil liberty abuses, republicans crying over Patriot Act policies. Amazing.

Overall Obama handled himself well in the press conference...but the distortions were jarring. This is all ok...because congress approved it, and we all voted for our congressmen? Seriously? Interestingly he also seemed to basically admit "I thought the world should work one way when I was elected, then I saw all this shit and realized I was wrong." IE terrorist attacks stopped by surveillance abuses, civil liberty abuses, etc. But all this basically means the terrorists have won.

perfect timing for the Xbox One's always on Kinect camera tho

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1153 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM »

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

Obama has impinged upon our freedoms several degrees worse than Bush/Cheney ever did. Deal with it.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1154 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

What in the fuck are you talking about

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1155 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM
Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.
What in the fuck are you talking about

your limited ability to seperate a real conservative from the religious south, for starters.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1156 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:11:55 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM
Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.
What in the fuck are you talking about

your limited ability to seperate a real conservative from the religious south, for starters.

I was asking who the "we" was in your quote who didn't vote. People not in power? Fat Ron Paul fans? You say it would have failed, but what in the fuck are you talking about?

Mandark · « **Reply #1157 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:12:20 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM

a real conservative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1158 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:15:11 PM »

I like Ron Paul less than I like Obama. And I like Barry about as much as my cousin Willie who likes to steal from relatives.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1159 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:16:16 PM »

Mandark put it better :'(

Real conservatives tend to pop up when discussing things endemic to both parties, but done by the Democrats

"Of course I was protesting deficit spending under Bush"
"Of course I was opposed the Patriot Act"
"Of course I'm opposed to arresting gay men in public bathrooms after I was arrested. It's a civil rights issue!"

That sort of thing

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1160 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:18:18 PM »

Blah blah blah....I don't know how to respond so I'll chuck in the ol' insult.

/snafu

Mandark · « **Reply #1161 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:21:56 PM »

Is this going to be another thing where you pull the "I was drunk" excuse later?

Cause I'm starting to see a real pattern.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1162 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:21:56 PM

Is this going to be another thing where you pull the "I was drunk" excuse later?

Cause I'm starting to see a real pattern.

nope...participate or shut to fuck up, thanks.

Edit: Sarcasm....:-)

Not drunk today

Mandark · « **Reply #1163 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:23:42 PM »

Let me rephrase that.

Are you completely sober right now?

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1164 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:24:04 PM »

I'm not sure how to respond. I mean sure, there are politicians and people on the right who oppose the Patriot Act, but that's plenty of people with irrelevant views. It's been some 12 years and you've managed to what exactly? Let us know that Obama is doing the same thing as Bush? You guys are doing the lords work, truly.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1165 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:25:40 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:24:04 PM

I'm not sure how to respond. I mean sure, there are politicians and people on the right who oppose the Patriot Act, but that's plenty of people with irrelevant views. It's been some 12 years and you've managed to what exactly? Let us know that Obama is doing the same thing as Bush? You guys are doing the lords work, truly.

So you are saying Obama has NOT dipped more into your rights than Bush? Let's start there

Mandark · « **Reply #1166 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:27:15 PM »

Wait, are you defending Bush or not? I thought he wasn't a true conservative.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1167 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM »

I'm not defending Obama! I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried. Like at all).

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1168 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:28:43 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM

I'm not defending Obama! I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried. Like at all).

i am not in congress, exactly how am I held to that standard?

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1169 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:30:51 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:27:15 PM

Wait, are you defending Bush or not? I thought he wasn't a true conservative.

More like lesser of two evils I suppose. Never liked him or daddy, Nancy was a better president.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1170 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:30:54 PM »

"You" is a nebulous term for these brave TRUE CONSERVATIVES that keep being brought up whenever we remind you that your motivations seem suspect and your final aims seem to not jive with the history of the past two presidents.

Mandark · « **Reply #1171 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:31:54 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:28:43 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM
I'm not defending Obama! I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried. Like at all).

i am not in congress, exactly how am I held to that standard?

Well what did you do to defend civil liberties before Obama was inaugurated? Support primary or general election challengers who would repeal the PATRIOT Act? Join a group like the ACLU, or Conservatives For the Fourth Amendment?

Surely you at least have an online record of making surly posts towards anyone defending the Bush/Yoo policies of surveillance/detention/torture/etc.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1172 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:34:42 PM »

Link me to where I have ever defended bush..

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1173 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:35:20 PM »

That's not what he said

You probably are drunk.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1174 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:36:33 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:35:20 PM

That's not what he said

You probably are drunk.

Oops.....I retract that. I am just adjusted to people assuming the opposite.

Mandark · « **Reply #1175 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:36:33 PM

Oops.....I retract that. I am just constantly berating people for what they haven't even said.

.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1176 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:44:11 PM »

That too :-(

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1177 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:45:51 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:44:11 PM

That too :-(

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1178 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:46:05 PM »

how about we drop the console wars-esque pretenses and agree that when any president, republican or democrat, tramples on civil liberties it's BAD

god dammit

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1179 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:47:50 PM »

On the internet? Never

Rufus · « **Reply #1180 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:49:16 PM »

Bipartisan idiocy is the thing you have to fear the most, yeah. Not only are you getting fucked, but it also makes voting look (more) pointless.

Mandark · « **Reply #1181 on:** June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM »

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1182 on:** June 07, 2013, 05:01:50 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

My grandparents were right all along about the Jews

Mandark · « **Reply #1183 on:** June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM »

Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1184 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:00:06 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

Dick.....

Ok you're right.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1185 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1186 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:18:14 PM »

Pffft, you'd all spend it on drink.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1187 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:20:08 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

I'm Irish and black...wrap your noodle around my genetic clusterfuck

Mandark · « **Reply #1188 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:21:16 PM »

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1189 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:22:23 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:20:08 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

I'm Irish and black...wrap your noodle around my genetic clusterfuck

Are you gay as well?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Because if you are you're in line for a tenured professorship

/michelle malkin

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Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1190 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:23:17 PM »

I even bought an authentic No distinguished black fellow Irish sign just to hang behind the door in my shed.

I will say that I hope our generation(s) correct the transgression on our liberties we are seeing.

Married a colombian. I got into Michigan the kids are already assured Harvard lol.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1191 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1192 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:25:33 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Also we dress way better ;-)

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1193 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:29:39 PM »

Btw I am only allowed to drink like twice a month for the boss...you'll know if I am if I post a picture of Reagan as a warning. Should help you decide how to respond moving forward.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #1194 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:31:25 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:25:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
Nice try. I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Also we dress way better ;-)

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1195 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:34:32 PM »

Quote

(Image removed from quote.)

Only 1994 Will Smith could have pulled that off.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1196 on:** June 07, 2013, 07:59:24 PM »

dress worse and dance worse, never forget

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #1197 on:** June 08, 2013, 09:02:33 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:59:24 PM

dress worse and dance worse, never forget

word...mad skilz

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1198 on:** June 08, 2013, 03:03:12 PM »

The unskew poll brigade is back
http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20130608/unskewed-pollster-claiming-tie-in-ma-senate-race-claimed-romney-was-winning-in-2012-states-he-lost/#.UbOADNiLxYV

Yeti · « **Reply #1199 on:** June 08, 2013, 03:52:05 PM »

It's too bad they couldn't unskew votes the same way they unskewed polls.

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