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« Reply #1560 on: June 26, 2013, 01:17:56 PM »
same-sex sex  :lol

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« Reply #1561 on: June 26, 2013, 01:26:44 PM »
It's legalistic argle-bargle espoused by the rootless and shifting black-robed supremacy

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« Reply #1562 on: June 26, 2013, 02:56:46 PM »
I looked into the Texas abortion proposal, and apparently it's for abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. That seems... reasonable? Provided there are exceptions to save the life of the mother in the case of emergency, or if the fetus has severe birth defects? Isn't 20 weeks a pretty decent amount of time to make up your mind?

don't really want to get into that but the larger part of the bill was a redefinition of abortion clinics that would close all but 5 of the 42 in the state and would make people in some parts of the state drive hundreds of miles (or to Mexico) in order to get an abortion
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« Reply #1563 on: June 26, 2013, 03:05:24 PM »
Job killing legislation
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« Reply #1564 on: June 26, 2013, 03:51:23 PM »
the whole conversation is a slippery slope.  Whenever people try to goad me into abortion debates I really have to step back and decline, I feel really uncomfortable talking about it when I never have to deal with the physical consequences, ever.  I just default to "whatever is best for the woman."
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« Reply #1565 on: June 26, 2013, 04:05:39 PM »
Just reply with "Want less abortions? Hand out birth control and support sex education, not the exact opposite."
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« Reply #1566 on: June 26, 2013, 04:14:40 PM »
It does to people who write shit like "Culture: God, [...]" as wishes to santa into chain e-mails. They want their way of life and morality to be the norm, so they lobby to curtail anything that deviates from it. If you think that you shouldn't fuck before marriage the demands make a lot of sense.

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« Reply #1567 on: June 26, 2013, 04:33:54 PM »
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« Reply #1569 on: June 26, 2013, 06:36:34 PM »
I looked into the Texas abortion proposal, and apparently it's for abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. That seems... reasonable? Provided there are exceptions to save the life of the mother in the case of emergency, or if the fetus has severe birth defects? Isn't 20 weeks a pretty decent amount of time to make up your mind?

Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Patel is right, the big shocking thing about this is that it basically regulates abortion clinics to one area of the country, going from about 42 clinics to 5. That's...a problem.
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« Reply #1570 on: June 26, 2013, 07:01:18 PM »
Bittersweet week; victory with DOMA and defeat with Voting Rights and The Right to Remain Silent

dont forget we can kidnap native american children again; thats pretty sweet right
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« Reply #1571 on: June 26, 2013, 07:05:19 PM »
Bittersweet week; victory with DOMA and defeat with Voting Rights and The Right to Remain Silent

dont forget we can kidnap native american children again; thats pretty sweet right
What? :sabu

there's some law about not putting indian kids with white families (to prevent breaking up reservations)

an indian kid was adopted by a white family

indian dad was like "changed my mind, want my son back" and cited the law

SCOTUS was like "well, this law is just about fucking with indians, and since racism is dead (c.f. VRA) no need to enforce it here. BOOM! infinite beautiful indian babies for Ally McBeal all up in this bitch y'all"
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« Reply #1572 on: June 26, 2013, 07:07:09 PM »
Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Would you impose upon women a restriction on abortions on the day of expected delivery? If not, wtf man, that's a goddamn infant that just hasn't popped out yet. But if you would impose such a restriction, would you extend that restriction back one day? Then another day after that? Another day after that? It quickly becomes apparent that a cut-off point must be agreed upon.

I guess you could say that only the female members of the legislature get to vote on that cut-off point, but someone still has to do it.

I support post-natal abortions up to 90 days after the woman gives birth. If cars have "lemon laws," shouldn't kids, too?
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« Reply #1573 on: June 26, 2013, 07:10:55 PM »
basically we had a law worked out with the tribes that helped native kids stay with their families instead of being pulled away by our government. well this woman had a kid but gave her up for adoption and took herself back to mexico; after the girls dad found out he used the law to get his kid back from a couple that had adopted her. the SC didnt like that (Alito called it a "trump card") and gave the kid back to the white folks, once again securing our right to educate the savages
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« Reply #1574 on: June 26, 2013, 07:13:27 PM »
Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Would you impose upon women a restriction on abortions on the day of expected delivery? If not, wtf man, that's a goddamn infant that just hasn't popped out yet. But if you would impose such a restriction, would you extend that restriction back one day? Then another day after that? Another day after that? It quickly becomes apparent that a cut-off point must be agreed upon.

I guess you could say that only the female members of the legislature get to vote on that cut-off point, but someone still has to do it.

You're moving from regular abortion to something entirely different (you know, murder). Obviously, partial birth abortion is illegal (and rare) and should stay that way, unless the woman's health is in danger.

I'm not saying only women should be able to write abortion laws either. But in general, a woman should be in control of how this is handled. It's not about women "making up their mind" or else, there are plenty of things that can happen after 20 weeks that could change a woman's mind on keeping the fetus to term.
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« Reply #1575 on: June 26, 2013, 07:21:12 PM »
wtf does it matter? no one is talking about middle ground now. the fight now is to keep basic access to abortions to as many people as possible, as many states are in full-on attack mode against clinics.
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« Reply #1576 on: June 26, 2013, 07:22:38 PM »
To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares
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« Reply #1577 on: June 26, 2013, 07:25:31 PM »
wtf does it matter? no one is talking about middle ground now. the fight now is to keep basic access to abortions to as many people as possible, as many states are in full-on attack mode against clinics.

Exactly. I'm fine with how the general rules are now - legal abortion, restrictions on late late late term/partial birth abortion. The vast majority of Americans agree with that.
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« Reply #1578 on: June 26, 2013, 07:32:32 PM »
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« Reply #1579 on: June 26, 2013, 07:43:21 PM »
Once those fetuses are babies and kids though, fuck em.  If their parents can't provide for them, no food stamps.  STARVE YOU GREEDY LITTLE FUCKERS, AMIRITE???
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« Reply #1580 on: June 26, 2013, 07:44:53 PM »
Also, Frank Rich give David Gregory an ICE BURN of Vidal-Buckley proportions.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/frank-rich-thinks-david-gregory-should-be-relegated?ref=fpb

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« Reply #1581 on: June 26, 2013, 07:46:20 PM »
Scalia quotes:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/scalia-doma-dissent.php

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« Reply #1582 on: June 26, 2013, 07:48:19 PM »
Gregory is horrible. Everything he says sounds like something dumb you'd hear at a DC cocktail party, and I'd say a good 70% of his guests are either Lindsy Graham or John McCain ("the mavericks!").

Chuck Todd is insufferable too. I liked him way more in 2007/2008 when he was basically just The Math Guy, explaining how Obama was whooping Hillary n McCain's asses.
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« Reply #1583 on: June 26, 2013, 07:52:43 PM »
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But the Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better. I deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrp.”

This is upholding equal rights, jackass; the 'losers'--esp those who had the most to lose, i.e., those same-sex couples most affected by the law--would not revel in the 'peace' of a defeat of their equal rights.

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« Reply #1584 on: June 26, 2013, 07:53:12 PM »

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« Reply #1585 on: June 26, 2013, 08:06:44 PM »

holy shit. ether of the year
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« Reply #1586 on: June 26, 2013, 08:21:08 PM »
There has to be a point where one person's body becomes two people's bodies. If you disagree with that, then you have to support a woman's right to end a fetus' life up to and including the moment before birth.
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« Reply #1587 on: June 26, 2013, 08:24:37 PM »

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« Reply #1589 on: June 26, 2013, 09:23:49 PM »
To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares

Indeed.

Well, thankfully the state legislature will be right back at it on Monday and the bill will be going through. 

So you know, you guys were only celebrating maybe a couple of hundred extra kids being killed than otherwise.  Not so bad karmically when you think about it.  I guess.

Karma indeed
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« Reply #1590 on: June 26, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »
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« Reply #1591 on: June 26, 2013, 10:19:33 PM »
There has to be a point where one person's body becomes two people's bodies. If you disagree with that, then you have to support a woman's right to end a fetus' life up to and including the moment before birth.
I totally do

Well that seems pretty goddamn reprehensible if you're serious.
I am serious.  Why wouldn't I be?
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« Reply #1592 on: June 26, 2013, 10:23:07 PM »
Can we make a new thread for this issue? Maybe for the Texas event entirely?

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« Reply #1593 on: June 26, 2013, 10:28:22 PM »


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« Reply #1594 on: June 26, 2013, 10:30:27 PM »
The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?
Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well. 
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« Reply #1595 on: June 26, 2013, 10:31:55 PM »
I'm all for extending the right to abort until the 50th trimester.  I mean shit, how do you know if your kid is gonna turn out to be an asshole or not?  I'm just saying I want the option, and more air for me to breathe.
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« Reply #1596 on: June 26, 2013, 10:41:56 PM »
The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?
Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well.

Sure, but that doesn't mean anything without some kind of thoughtful argument. What's a reasonable argument anyone could actually make against my position?

...people suck and there should be less of them?  :yeshrug
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« Reply #1597 on: June 26, 2013, 10:43:20 PM »
I mean look that piece of shit Triumph.  He's on his like 102 Trimester.  Where's my coathanger.
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« Reply #1598 on: June 26, 2013, 10:52:17 PM »
I mean look that piece of shit Triumph.  He's on his like 102 Trimester.  Where's my coathanger.

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« Reply #1599 on: June 26, 2013, 10:53:22 PM »
Is banning a junior basically aborting someone in the digital realm?
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« Reply #1600 on: June 26, 2013, 10:58:04 PM »
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« Reply #1601 on: June 26, 2013, 11:19:43 PM »
Is banning a junior basically aborting someone in the digital realm?

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« Reply #1603 on: June 26, 2013, 11:43:45 PM »
Man, whenever I think about the SCOTUS it puts me in a really cynical frame of mind, trying to think who's likely to die so we can get a majority of Democratic appointees.

Speaking of which, I didn't realize Scalia was that old.  Totally bogus that he keeps on going while Gandolfini died.  No who'll play him in the movie?

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« Reply #1604 on: June 26, 2013, 11:51:18 PM »
Speaking of which, I didn't realize Scalia was that old.  Totally bogus that he keeps on going while Gandolfini died.  Now who'll play him in the movie?
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« Reply #1605 on: June 27, 2013, 01:05:57 AM »
Whenever I think about the SCOTUS I think how much I'd enjoy discussing porn with Clarence Thomas.
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« Reply #1606 on: June 27, 2013, 03:21:36 AM »
What's this about the right to remain silent?

Edit: well that's some bullshit.
Yeah its being kept very very quiet as well.

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« Reply #1607 on: June 27, 2013, 08:45:39 AM »
The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?
Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well.

Sure, but that doesn't mean anything without some kind of thoughtful argument. What's a reasonable argument anyone could actually make against my position?

It's just an extension of the position on what we consider a life worth protecting. A newborn baby has less capabilities (be it emotion, intelligence or whatever traits one considers significant to be worth protecting) than other species we have to problem killing by the millions. Sure it is likely to develop those capabilities, but the same could be said about a fetus in the 12 week of pregnancy.

I don't take that position at all, and it's a position that almost anyone would repulse but if you're thinking about it purely from a "when has a being the traits that we consider human, that we consider has a definitive right to life" pov than it's not easy to differentiate between a fetus 12 or 34 weeks into pregnancy, a newborn or even a baby that is a couple of months old. We can differ between them, we can set different points at which a fetus or a baby has maybe more capabilities to feel pain or are "more human like" but if we don't apply special rules for beings that belong to the human race, we would have to treat other species much different if we want to act ethically consistant.
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« Reply #1608 on: June 27, 2013, 09:21:46 AM »
Well, you asked about a thoughtful argument. And what I tried to show is imo a reasonable and consistant position, even if it's a position that most would find reprehensible and that is completly irrelevant to political decision making.

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« Reply #1609 on: June 28, 2013, 02:48:00 AM »
To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares

Indeed.

Well, thankfully the state legislature will be right back at it on Monday and the bill will be going through. 

So you know, you guys were only celebrating maybe a couple of hundred extra kids being killed than otherwise.  Not so bad karmically when you think about it.  I guess.

And you're a clueless dweeb. Take your ham-fisted ideologies and FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.

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« Reply #1610 on: June 28, 2013, 05:51:13 PM »

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« Reply #1613 on: June 28, 2013, 06:22:15 PM »
The test seems more of an indictment of modern education than a sign of past racism. To think, most people could pass that test scores of years ago, but today no one can.
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« Reply #1615 on: June 28, 2013, 06:43:24 PM »
California's 9th Circuit Court just dissolved Prop 8, it's officially dead. Gay weddings are a go.
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« Reply #1616 on: June 28, 2013, 10:47:14 PM »
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« Reply #1617 on: June 30, 2013, 09:18:18 PM »
Anti-Morsi protests in Egypt:

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« Reply #1618 on: June 30, 2013, 11:53:57 PM »
Can't wait to see which fundamentalist, oppressive ruler they choose next!
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« Reply #1619 on: July 01, 2013, 07:27:50 PM »
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