US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE

[Joe Molotov]

The God-given rights of entrepreneurship given to us by our founding fathers

[DCharlieJP]

"Who do you know who to discriminate against?! They have to tell you!"

opposed to hate crime - because it's getting into the mind of what whoever perpetrated the crime was thinking at the time

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[Great Rumbler]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/colbert_patrick_stewart_parody_obamacare_victims

[Oblivion]

Paul Ryan gonna Paul Ryan:

The Fiscal Times’ Rob Garver, for example, interviewed some of the same economists cited in Ryan’s paper in support of his thesis. Many of the experts “had reactions ranging from bemusement to anger at Ryan’s report, claiming that he either misunderstood or misrepresented their research.”

Ryan’s paper, for example, cited a study published in December by the Columbia Population Research Center measuring the decline in poverty in the U.S. after the implementation of Lyndon Johnson’s “War on Poverty.”
 
One of the study’s authors, Jane Waldfogel, a professor at Columbia University and a visiting scholar at the Russell Sage Foundation, said she was surprised when she read the paper, because it seemed to arbitrarily chop off data from two of the most successful years of the war on poverty.
 
Waldfogel and her colleagues looked at an alternative measure of the poverty rate known as the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM), which factors in government benefits like food stamps and programs like the earned-income tax credit. That alternative measure is thought to present a more accurate and realistic gauge of the poverty and the real-world effects of government programs aimed at combatting it.
 
The Columbia researchers found that, using their model of the SPM, the poverty rate fell from 26 percent in 1967 to 15 percent in 2012. Ryan only cites data from 1969 onward, ignoring a full 36 percent of the decline.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-ryans-unfortunate-poverty-report

And what did he say when he was confronted with that?

Asked about the criticism, a spokesperson for Chairman Ryan said, “We’re glad to hear the report is encouraging a debate on the performance record of federal anti-poverty programs.”

The intellectual leader of the Republican party ladies and gentlemen.

[benjipwns]

I thought the criticism was always that the "War on Poverty" came after and may have stopped the decline in poverty. So 1967 would be as arbitrary as Ryan's 1969.

Waldfogel told Garver, “It’s technically correct, but it’s an odd way to cite the research. In my experience, usually you use all of the available data. There’s no justification given. It’s unfortunate because it really understates the progress we’ve made in reducing poverty.”

[Oblivion]

I thought the criticism was always that the "War on Poverty" came after

Came after what?

[Phoenix Dark]

you've gotta be deep in the rabbit hole to deny the War on Poverty didn't have success.

[benjipwns]

Came after what?

came after ... the decline in poverty.

If you extend that graph back to the war it's dropping from like 35-40% until 1969 where it stops. (Which is why I assume Ryan picked 1969 to start from.)

[Joe Molotov]

Asked about the criticism, a spokesperson for Chairman Ryan said, “We’re glad to hear the report is encouraging a debate on the performance record of federal anti-poverty programs.”

The intellectual leader of the Republican party ladies and gentlemen.

Teach the controversy, brehs.

[Oblivion]

Came after what?

came after ... the decline in poverty.

If you extend that graph back to the war it's dropping from like 35-40% until 1969 where it stops. (Which is why I assume Ryan picked 1969 to start from.)

Oh. I thought they picked 1967 as the starting point cause that's when the War on Poverty...started?

edit: guess it actually started a few years earlier.

[benjipwns]

So much for this: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/stockman-mugshot-threat

He lost the primary to Cornyn 63% to 17%.

Oh. I thought they picked 1967 as the starting point cause that's when the War on Poverty...started?

Depends on what you pick as the start I suppose, but it's generally considered to be have begun with the legislation in 1964/1965 following Johnson's "Great Society" speeches in 1964.

EDIT: saw your edit after my edit 

[Brehvolution]

you've gotta be deep in the rabbit hole to deny the War on Poverty didn't have success.

Word. Like 99% of the "poor" have fridges  and Obamaphones now.

[Mandark]

Back in 2008, a very right-wing acquaintance of mine said "I know you support Obama, but there's a video I'd like you to see" and it turned out to be a Youtube clip narrated by Ben Shapiro (the Jewish Erick Erickson) on how Israel will be overrun and subsumed into a global caliphate if Obama's elected.  When he asked me about it a week later I told him "I think Israel is... more resilient than that guy seems to think."

It was a bit insulting that he thought of me that way.  "I'll tell the Jew about what Obama will do to Israel, that's gotta be the first thing he'll care about!"  But I don't think it was a reflection of his low opinion of me so much as how he views the world.  The driving force behind his politics is antipathy towards immigrants, black folk, Muslims, and anyone he sees as a threat to his own ethnic group (vaguely protestant honkeys), so of course that's how I'd think and everyone else would think as well.

Similarly, I can see why Michelle Bachmann is hurt by other people's lack of enthusiasm for religious wars.

[Joe Molotov]

Jews, you've let Michelle Bachmann down YET AGAIN. cryingdreidel.jpg

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm more surprised that people think you can use youtube videos to change a vote.

Hey, if they can start a terrorist uprising, what's one little vote?

[brawndolicious]

I've seen people get consumed by YouTube conspiracy theorists and evangelists. It's a very convenient and popular format for brainwashing.

[Mupepe]

Yep.  My sister in law's boyfriend and a friend I know went absolutely nutso for zeitgeist.  It spawned a libertarian phase for both of them.  All it takes is ominous music and high school AV club production values to win most people over.

[Phoenix Dark]

Back in 2008, a very right-wing acquaintance of mine said "I know you support Obama, but there's a video I'd like you to see" and it turned out to be a Youtube clip narrated by Ben Shapiro (the Jewish Erick Erickson) on how Israel will be overrun and subsumed into a global caliphate if Obama's elected.  When he asked me about it a week later I told him "I think Israel is... more resilient than that guy seems to think."

It was a bit insulting that he thought of me that way.  "I'll tell the Jew about what Obama will do to Israel, that's gotta be the first thing he'll care about!"  But I don't think it was a reflection of his low opinion of me so much as how he views the world.  The driving force behind his politics is antipathy towards immigrants, black folk, Muslims, and anyone he sees as a threat to his own ethnic group (vaguely protestant honkeys), so of course that's how I'd think and everyone else would think as well.

Similarly, I can see why Michelle Bachmann is hurt by other people's lack of enthusiasm for religious wars.

You played the reverse anti-Semite card

[Steve Contra]

There's also the sad fact that a lot of people on the Right seem to think America now has fundamentally altered relationship with Israel and for instance we've cut them off from any kind of aid.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Brehvolution]

It's not surprising conservatives would prefer the xbone. They love to command something and it be done no questions asked.

[Mupepe]

Not to mention the PS4 is foreign dogshit.  FOREIGN

[Oblivion]

But Bill Gates supported Obama!

[Joe Molotov]

This guy. 

[Phoenix Dark]

finance your livelihood and education with your dead father's social security money, work in the public sector for your entire adult life, and denigrate government benefits brehs... 

[Joe Molotov]

And just look how empty his soul is! Clearly there's something to this.

[Phoenix Dark]

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This guy. 

The GOP now using Nintard arguments .

The GOP is Zelda, full of whimsy and spirit

it's also something you'd probably hear from a Talib Kweli/"real hip hop" fan. 

[helios]

Starvation creates character

[Oblivion]

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This guy. 

This mofo actually thought that was a good line.

[Joe Molotov]

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) asserted on Thursday that liberals did not understand that kids who got free lunches at school did not have parents who cared about them at home.

Speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, the former Republican vice presidential nominee argued that conservatives should let Democrats be the “party of personality,” while “we will be the party of ideas.”

“I’m optimistic about our chances because the left, the left just isn’t out of ideas, they’re out of touch,” he explained. “Take Obamacare — not literally, but figuratively here, okay? We now know that this law will discourage millions of people from working. The left thinks this is a good thing.”

Ryan insisted that liberals were only offering people “a full stomach and an empty soul.”

He then told a story of a “young boy from a very poor family” who received free lunches at school “from a government program.”

“He didn’t want a free lunch,” Ryan insisted. “He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown paper bag, just like the other kids.”

“He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”

I can't even with this.

[Steve Contra]

Special thanks to Treesong

[Rufus]

She's british, too, so it's even more

https://twitter.com/gemworrallx Also, that group photo.

[Joe Molotov]

Scary

[helios]

[Great Rumbler]

I can't even with this.

Paul Ryan stole that story from A BOOK!

"Look, Maurice, I don't want you out there hungry on the nights I don't see you, so this is what we can do. I can either give you some money for the week--and you'll have to be really careful about how you spend it--or when you come over on Monday night we can go to the supermarket and I can buy all the things you like to eat and make you lunch for the week. I'll leave it with the doormen, and you can pick it up on the way to school."

Maurice looked at me and asked me a question.

"If you make me lunch," he said, "will you put it in a brown paper bag?"

I didn't really understand the question. "Do you want it in a brown paper bag?" I asked. "Or how would you prefer it?"

"Miss Laura," he said, "I don't want your money. I want my lunch in a brown paper bag."

"Okay, sure. But why do you want it in a bag?"

"Because when I see kids come to school with their lunch in a paper bag, that means someone cares about them. Miss Laura, can I please have my lunch in a paper bag?"

[Phoenix Dark]

another L for my namesake. I thought E3 was the end of it.

[benjipwns]

http://www.thenation.com/blog/178717/bernie-sanders-i-am-prepared-run-president-united-states

[Joe Molotov]

Looking for a CPAC JO bud, tornadoes optional.

[Great Rumbler]

From the CPAC panel on minority outreach:

[Broseidon]

Looking for a CPAC JO bud, tornadoes optional.

I'm up for that. No gay shit though.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

From the CPAC panel on minority outreach:

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[benjipwns]

Suddenly, that changed. In fact, as I tweeted the above photo, I had a response from someone who snapped a picture of a much fuller room. That picture was accurate and so was mine. That picture showed a nearly full ballroom, while my picture showed an empty one. So what was the difference?

The difference was that the diversity panel ran over its time. People began filling in—in droves. Why the change of heart? The diversity panel ran late and into the time slot for NRA executive Wayne LaPierre to address CPAC in the same room. LaPierre went on to give a rousing speech that generated some of the loudest enthusiasm of the day from the crowd.

[Great Rumbler]

"We know in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and there are home invaders, drug cartels, car jackers, and knockout gamers, and rapers and haters and campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, and killers who seek to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse our society that sustains us all," NRA President Wayne LaPierre said.

[benjipwns]

Forget it, he's rolling.

[Brehvolution]

http://twitter.com/moody/status/442030581631565824/photo/1

[Yeti]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/07/obama-flubs-spelling-respect/

[DCharlieJP]

Gary Lyngar: My son is 'dead wrong' about me and Fox News
Mar. 07, 2014 - 6:12 - Father speaks out after son's article claiming he 'lost' his father to Fox News

Yup - best way to prove to your son that you've not been lost to Fox News is to appear on Fox News saying how great Fox News is.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3309288515001/muslim-censors-move-to-ban-noah/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

hooooooooly shit

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Actually that happened to me.  My parents used to watch CNN for news.  To save money, they got a cheaper satellite TV package, which only had Fox News for cable news.  It was interesting how their viewpoints changed on a lot of things over the course of the next several months.

[Joe Molotov]

Gary Lyngar: My son is 'dead wrong' about me and Fox News
Mar. 07, 2014 - 6:12 - Father speaks out after son's article claiming he 'lost' his father to Fox News

Yup - best way to prove to your son that you've not been lost to Fox News is to appear on Fox News saying how great Fox News is.

I like how it starts out pretty normal, like he's trying to prove that he's not some frothing angry old white guy, but by the end it descends into exactly the kind of rhetoric and conspiracy theories you'd expect from someone that watching Fox News. "We're giving away our freedoms so we can get free stuff! The government is forcing everyone to get Obamacare so they can tell us how to live! Obama is banning cigarettes!"

Also, I like how this guy is bragging that "he had Conservatives thoughts from the time he was 15, and they haven't changed any". If you can't look back at some of the political beliefs you had a as a teenager and SMH, then there's probably something wrong with you.

[Great Rumbler]

As a teenager, I was a die-hard conservative who watched Fox News everyday.

[CatsCatsCats]

I was on that Ron Paul shit just a few years ago!

[Dickie Dee]

As a teenager, I was a die-hard conservative who watched Fox News everyday.

and then Cesar Millan changed your life

[Human Snorenado]

I was on that Ron Paul shit just a few years ago!

  

[CatsCatsCats]

I was young, white, constantly high and under informed. Of course it sounded like a good idea at the time!

[helios]

I just recently realized that Penn & Teller are libertarians and work at the Cato Institute

[Great Rumbler]

I just recently realized that Penn & Teller are libertarians and work at the Cato Institute

It's something that everyone realizes one day, helios. Some of us take longer than others, but we all realize it eventually...

[helios]

It'd be even worse if they were sovereign citizens

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm black, so I've been on the plantation of liberalism for some time now.
 

[Steve Contra]

I keep telling you, we can make a black conservative star out of you.  I know plenty of angry white folks and Mandark can provide the rest.

[Great Rumbler]

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/03/08/foxs-ben-carson-at-cpac-gays-should-have-the-sa/198414