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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4320 on: March 29, 2014, 01:45:43 AM »
The last two pages are why people get turned off by politics. We can't discuss economics without first acknowledging the deficit is a problem, and if we don't cut entitlements soon the system will collapse.

You know, this post made me realize this topic is about ~70% sarcasm.

I can't even tell when people are trolling anymore.
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« Reply #4321 on: March 29, 2014, 02:05:35 AM »
I like to think PD's trolling is an elaborate double-game and he's the same home-schooled creationist he was when he first registered.

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« Reply #4322 on: March 29, 2014, 03:03:07 AM »
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« Reply #4323 on: March 29, 2014, 03:15:38 AM »
I still genuinely believe most of the world's problems could be solved by publicly executing the Koch brothers.
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« Reply #4324 on: March 29, 2014, 03:48:29 AM »
Had you even heard of either of them before the summer of 2010?

EDIT: Not to call you out personally or imply anything about you or anyone else, I'm just fascinated by how quickly and solidly they've become Goldstein. They basically don't even exist on Google Trends before then.
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« Reply #4325 on: March 29, 2014, 05:07:05 AM »
It's almost all post-Citizens United, right?  A lot of liberals were really worried about corporate money flooding into politics after that and the Koch brothers are like the perfect avatar for that fear.

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« Reply #4326 on: March 29, 2014, 07:08:14 AM »
Yeah, but even more this article is the epicenter: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

It's a fair worry from the left point of view, Google Trends doesn't go back far enough (starts in 2004) but there's a massive even bigger spike for George Soros around the 2004 election. IIRC, he got traction around the Iraq invasion which is why he's not at zero at the start of GT's history. In this case from a GOP panic. (Remember 527s?)

It's just interesting to me that not only do you see Soros and Koch all over comment sections but you go in Poli-GAF or what have you and there's talk about the Koch Brothers as if they have some secret magical powers.

When both Soros and the Kochs have been activate in politics for decades, but they suddenly get discovered and they're thrown out constantly. Like they're lurking behind the scenes and buying elections. When there's been equivalently more spent directly by people like Ross Perot, Michael Huffington, Linda McMahon (twice!), Meg Whitman, etc. in specific races that amounted to nothing. And the Koch's have been funding the libertarian movement for decades for the great return on investment that's been. At least Soros' marijuana legalization and transition in Hungary investment and bet against the Pound has paid off or is starting to. At least ranting about Obama or W. Bush is someone of actual tangible power.

And you have supposedly serious people like Robert Reich posting this somewhat misleading chart a couple days ago:


Or this from Senators:

Even ignoring the "un-American" silliness, I think it's funny when he says "no two people should have that big of influence on politics" when what were Obama/Romney supposed to be?

Tom Steyer is apparently the San Francisco billionaire Joe mentions, guess he's a new Soros.

I don't know, maybe it's not that interesting.  :lol

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4327 on: March 29, 2014, 08:13:53 AM »
I like to think PD's trolling is an elaborate double-game and he's the same home-schooled creationist he was when he first registered.
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« Reply #4328 on: March 29, 2014, 08:28:34 AM »
Infamous beanie  :leon

EDIT: Or PaRappa?  :ohhh
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« Reply #4329 on: March 29, 2014, 09:36:50 AM »
Can we all just agree that the Roberts court is the worst thing ever?
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« Reply #4330 on: March 29, 2014, 10:08:16 AM »
Oh, they probably did something stupid recently, but I can't be bothered to look up an specific example. Or just wait a week or so when the Roberts court rules that a corporation can enforce its religious beliefs on its employees.
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« Reply #4331 on: March 30, 2014, 02:01:34 PM »
Geraldo is a comedy goldmine.
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« Reply #4333 on: March 30, 2014, 03:50:38 PM »
that dude got pieced by Geraldo :rofl
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4334 on: March 31, 2014, 12:08:43 PM »
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WASHINGTON — President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, national surveys and enrollment data show.

As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.

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Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.

• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

• An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

• About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

• Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xYbIFULV

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Conservatives have been crying for weeks about the law being a failure since so many of those who have bought plans had previously had insurance - so they weren't "uninsured." I notice that in general the right has completely ignored the fact that millions of uninsured have been covered due to the Medicaid expansion and the young people now on their parents plan, among other things.
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« Reply #4335 on: March 31, 2014, 12:21:20 PM »

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« Reply #4336 on: March 31, 2014, 12:34:19 PM »
Fox News bullgraphs  :lol
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« Reply #4337 on: March 31, 2014, 12:47:29 PM »
Pretty good graph, but it can't touch the king:

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4338 on: March 31, 2014, 01:28:43 PM »
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« Reply #4339 on: March 31, 2014, 02:51:13 PM »


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« Reply #4340 on: March 31, 2014, 02:53:59 PM »
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As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

If around 6 million signed up through the exchanges, that would mean 3.5 million signed up through medicaid. That doesn't seem right. Weren't there way more people on medicaid?

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« Reply #4341 on: March 31, 2014, 02:56:54 PM »
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As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

If around 6 million signed up through the exchanges, that would mean 3.5 million signed up through medicaid. That doesn't seem right. Weren't there way more people on medicaid?

The 6 million also includes people who had insurance before the Healthcare.gov roll out, but have chosen to get better/different/cheaper insurance through the exchange.
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« Reply #4342 on: March 31, 2014, 02:57:15 PM »
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WASHINGTON — President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, national surveys and enrollment data show.

As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.

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Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.

• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

• An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

• About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

• Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xYbIFULV

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Conservatives have been crying for weeks about the law being a failure since so many of those who have bought plans had previously had insurance - so they weren't "uninsured." I notice that in general the right has completely ignored the fact that millions of uninsured have been covered due to the Medicaid expansion and the young people now on their parents plan, among other things.


OR HAVE THEY??

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4343 on: March 31, 2014, 03:30:59 PM »
Let's talk about MARINE TODD.



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« Reply #4344 on: March 31, 2014, 03:35:35 PM »
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« Reply #4346 on: March 31, 2014, 03:46:15 PM »
Let's talk about MARINE TODD.
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« Reply #4347 on: March 31, 2014, 03:55:07 PM »
"After repeated assault offenses, Marine Todd was dishonorably discharged. Now he's just unemployed Todd and no colleges will accept him."
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« Reply #4348 on: March 31, 2014, 03:58:07 PM »
Sampler Fi.

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« Reply #4349 on: March 31, 2014, 04:35:31 PM »
THankS! For the enspiring storys MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT AMERICA! During such hard times! USA!

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« Reply #4350 on: March 31, 2014, 04:39:59 PM »
Those ODUMBO worshipers never learn do they LOL

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« Reply #4351 on: March 31, 2014, 05:34:06 PM »
Marine Todd was excited to take his History of America course, he loved America and considered himself an amateur historian. He made sure to get their early so he could grab a seat in the front row, unfortunately due to his family commitments he had not had time to begin reading the textbooks and hoped that the professor would forgive him.

The professor came in, he was of average height with a beard and glasses though a little on the skinny side. Marine Todd gave him a big smile, the professor returned with a scowl.

Upon starting class the professor opened with "This class is about the history of America. The history of America is one of oppression, exploitation and imperialism. In short, America is evil." Marine Todd was shocked, but surely this must be some kind of rhetorical argument, he listened further: "The history of America is one of massacres and genocides, one of poverty and despair, one of theocracy and patriarchy, one of an endless lies told to mindless robots." At this last point he seemed to look at Marine Todd. "Any questions?"

Marine Todd raised his hand and asked "what about all the good things America has done?"

"What good things?" the professor snarled.

"Well, I have friends who were on the ships the Navy sent to bring fresh water and supplies to the victims of the Tsunami in-"

The professor cut him off "the Tsunami the American Empire caused through exploiting the natives, forcing them into poverty and then using the stolen resources to cause global warming which created the Tsunami. The lies your ignorant jarhead friends have been told are not accepted in a classroom only facts are, and the facts are that those ships were sent to preserve the American hold on those colonies."

Marine Todd had had it so he respectfully replied "those aren't our colonies, and that's just one example of the greatness of America!"

The professor growled "if you're such an expert, maybe you'd like to teach the class?" He sat in a seat, arms folded, waiting for Marine Todd to step up.

Marine Todd was nervous, he had been in Tora Bora but this was different. But he recognized that this was just another battle, another war he had to fight in for America. Even more important than the others he had. This was a fight for America's soul.

So Marine Todd stepped to the front of the class and began telling the students about the American Revolution, the Judeo-Christian founding of the nation, the Bill of Rights, the Emanicipation Proclamation, the saving of Europe in World War II, the Marshall Plan, the Civil Rights Movement, the Reagan Revolution, the Republican Revolution, the heros of 9/11 and the rise of the Tea Party.

At this point, Marine Todd noticed that all his classmates were furiously scribbling notes on what he was talking about. And that the professor had disappeared.

So Marine Todd asked "uh...any questions?" One student asked if the country really was founded on Judeo-Christian principles since he had been told differently in high school.

Just as Marine Todd began to explain the strong faith of the founders, the professor burst back into the room with a school administrator in tow. The professor pleaded with the administrator to call the police to remove the "unruly and warmonger" student. The administrator announced that Marine Todd would be expelled for hate speech.

Luckily, Marine Todd had read the Student Handbook and knew he was entitled to due process. So Marine Todd pleaded not just his case but the case for America in front of a panel of stern looking Board members. After a brief conferral, the head of the Board looked Marine Todd straight in the eye and said "Semper Fi."

Marine Todd is now head of the History Department, teaching regular classes on the faith and spirit of America, while also spending time to raise his family and help promote a remarkable revival of Christian values on the campus. He has been voted Best Person on Campus year after year by the students who love the strong values and morals he's brought to the once God-less halls. Not to mention weekly celebrations of America and what she stands for.

The professor now blogs unpaid for the Huffington Post.

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« Reply #4352 on: March 31, 2014, 06:06:54 PM »
...I can't be the only one that hears this in his head when I read a Marine Todd story, right? RIGHT???

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« Reply #4353 on: March 31, 2014, 07:06:29 PM »
I hear that in my head 24/7 no matter what I'm doing.
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« Reply #4354 on: March 31, 2014, 07:07:51 PM »
crossposting from fb on a thread about fox news statistics:

MATH IS A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY

son, lemme tell u a lil story

there was this marine who went to a university math course taught by a famous egghead perfessor type. the marine was attending the class one day when the liberal egghead math professor said "THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SO STUPID THAT THEY BELIEVE 1 + 1 + 1 = 1! THEY ARE CHRISTIANS!" the lie-brul egghead strode around the room. "if their stupid GOD can prove me wrong in 15 minutes, i'll stop aborting babies!"

the marine waited 14:59 minutes and then strode up to the smirking obama-loving egghead and punched him three times. "one punch for the constitution, plus one punch for jesus christ the lord my savior, plus one punch for the marine corps of america equals ONE KNOCKED OUT ATHEIST LIBRUL NERD. semper fi, ya pinko traitor!"

the professor started crying and the marine fucked all the girls in the class plus a really cute dude but it wasn't any unconstitutional homo shit.
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« Reply #4355 on: March 31, 2014, 08:01:12 PM »
Marine Todd was doing Christmas shopping for his favorite Christian Charities when there was a ruckus at the cash register. "What did you say to me?!?"

Always looking to be helpful and peacemaking Marine Todd rushed over to see what the hubbub was: "What's going on?"

A man of about five foot six wearing a brown jacket and glasses stated "this person had the gall to say Merry Christmas in public instead of Happy Holidays. That's a violation of my First Amendment rights."

Marine Todd apologetically said to the man "I'm sorry sir, but that's not what the First Amendment means. And if anyone is denigrating anyone rights it's you who wishes to take away the Christian faith of this country."

The man started sputtering "how-how-how dare you! The First Amendment! Separation of Church and State!" But Marine Todd recited the First Amendment verbatim and then described the faith of the founders and how they celebrated Christmas along with the true meaning of Jefferson's words. He then grabbed the man by the scruff of the neck and threw him through the sliding glass doors into the parking lot.

The entire store burst out in applause, the manager came rushing out to tell Marine Todd to not worry about the cost of the door "as that's my Christmas gift to you." The beautiful cashier girl was so thankful she handed Marine Todd her phone number.

Marine Todd then wished everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS and pushed the cart full of gifts for the orphans out of the store as the customers and employees began singing "O Come All Ye Faithful."

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« Reply #4356 on: March 31, 2014, 08:05:23 PM »
Time to write a Marine Todd/Pajama Boy slashfic.
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« Reply #4357 on: March 31, 2014, 08:20:59 PM »
Mmm... I'm gonna need a cigarette tomorrow after watching the media studiously ignore that his budget adds up about as well as a cat could manage in their vain, Ahab like quest for an intelligent Republican tomorrow, brehs. SO DELICIOUS.

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« Reply #4358 on: March 31, 2014, 08:27:25 PM »
oh man, I need a dose of seriousness in my life. can't wait to learn from the feet of the master, the only serious man who understands the serious problem we as a nation are seriously faced with.

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« Reply #4359 on: March 31, 2014, 08:32:19 PM »
I can't wait to see how he's going to screw over the poor this time!
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« Reply #4360 on: March 31, 2014, 10:58:02 PM »
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WASHINGTON (AP) - AP sources: Obama's health care law on track to hit 7 million sign-ups on deadline day.

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« Reply #4361 on: March 31, 2014, 11:18:47 PM »
Just wait, this is going to result in a whole shitload of "Obamacare is 7.5 billion over budget!" stories in the coming days and weeks...

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...in February they revised down the initial expected number to like a million fewer people signing up, and a 9 billion savings. Now that more people are signing up than they predicted in the February revision, OBUMMER CARE IS COMING FOR YOUR MONEY :teehee
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« Reply #4362 on: March 31, 2014, 11:58:22 PM »
Definitely. They've been pretty damn good at shifting goal posts or maintaining a consistent attack line. First it was the issue of plans being cancelled (which admittedly was a legit problem). Then it was the freakout over alleged security breaches that never materialized. Then the "who has paid their premiums" meme started. Now remember, if you signed up in March you're coverage doesn't start until May 1st...meaning you don't have to pay your premium for awhile.

Even Ted Cruz got in on the trolling with a Brietbart story about Mexican officials signing people up for coverage.
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« Reply #4363 on: April 01, 2014, 09:17:09 AM »
Last Monday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) posted a “quick poll” on his Facebook page asking his followers if they are “better off” now than before the Affordable Care Act passed four years earlier. A week later with the Obamacare sign-up deadline upon us, the unscientific results and in and they likely aren’t what Cruz was expecting.

Cruz neglected to use Facebook’s official poll feature, instead asking people to comment with a simple “YES” or “NO.” After seven days, the post has accumulated more than 47,000 comments with a startling number of people answering in the affirmative. The way Facebook works, the comments with the most “Likes” rise to the top of the post. As you can see by viewing the comments on the post below, every single one of the most-liked comments answers a resounding “Yes” to Cruz’s question.

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« Reply #4364 on: April 01, 2014, 10:04:12 AM »
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« Reply #4365 on: April 01, 2014, 02:35:59 PM »
Holy shit I've got a orthapaedic surgeon railing against Obamacare on a friend's facebook feed.

"Lost my insurance as of today. they have not got it together here in vermont and I applied in October."

This dude is an actual, very wealthy heart surgeon and most likely a liar.  The tears.  So sweet. :lawd
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« Reply #4366 on: April 01, 2014, 02:48:46 PM »
 :noah

 I remember when people were saying 3-4 was what it was going to end at.
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« Reply #4367 on: April 01, 2014, 03:03:34 PM »
I also know at least 9 people that now have health insurance thanks to this, and that's just the people that have come out and said they're covered.  All of them under 35. 
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« Reply #4368 on: April 01, 2014, 03:35:35 PM »
Beat the 7 million and may go even higher

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-enrollment-deadline-special-enrollment-105239.html?hp=l2

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A total of 7,041,000 people enrolled, Carney said, and that number doesn’t include sign ups that took place in recent days through state exchanges.
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I'd probably bust a spontaneous hands-free nut if that number got close to 8 million somehow.

Probably an April Fools joke, I'll wait for tomorrow to get the real numbers.
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« Reply #4369 on: April 01, 2014, 04:06:40 PM »
I was talking to an old finance professor about it, just in terms of business schools perhaps one day discussing the turnaround of the website and brand. I figured the website would eventually be fixed, but in October/November I really thought the law would be severely damaged in the long term. Even in January after the law had began to climb out its hole I thought 3-5mil sign ups was the best it could do.

On March 30th I helped a friend sign up; she makes about 19k or so, barely. After convincing her to stay away from the deceptively cheap catastrophic plans, we found a nice silver plan: $86 premium (after a $168 subsidy), $175 deductible, $500 out of pocket max. PPO network so she can keep her hospital (last  time she saw a doctor she was under age, so obviously she can't keep her pediatrician as a 25 year old). Affordable copays. The only downside is no optometrist coverage. She didn't want to sign up for dental because she gets cheap, decent care at the University of Michigan.

Contra: if your friend is well off it would make sense that he can't find a great plan. He wouldn't be eligible for a subsidy. But at the same time...he's pretty well off. So he should be fine lol.
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4370 on: April 01, 2014, 07:02:49 PM »
I'm actually very, very relieved on a personal level.  Both of my parents would have been uninsurable in the old system, thanks to cancer and various chronic illnesses.  Around 2008 my dad was in between jobs and the prospect of COBRA running out before he got something else with good insurance (thus ruining the continuity of coverage and basically fucking them) was a pretty scary prospect.  Now they've got some leeway in the years before they're on Medicaid, and I don't have to worry about going through the same shit when my nigh-inevitable genetic heart defect kicks in.

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4371 on: April 01, 2014, 07:57:45 PM »
Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i
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President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.
Shameful.

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4372 on: April 01, 2014, 10:14:21 PM »
I'm actually very, very relieved on a personal level.  Both of my parents would have been uninsurable in the old system, thanks to cancer and various chronic illnesses.  Around 2008 my dad was in between jobs and the prospect of COBRA running out before he got something else with good insurance (thus ruining the continuity of coverage and basically fucking them) was a pretty scary prospect.  Now they've got some leeway in the years before they're on Medicaid, and I don't have to worry about going through the same shit when my nigh-inevitable genetic heart defect kicks in.

One of the most overlooked benefits of the law is that it's going to really be a life saver for many people on COBRA.

The law is far from perfect, but then again so was Social Security in the 1930s. It's going to help a lot of people in the short and long term. As I said on GAF, we've pretty much reached the tipping point where repeal is completely impossible. You can't take anything from 10 million Americans; it's the same principle for why we'll never kick 13 million illegal immigrants out the country, it's simply unfeasible. They can concern troll about premium payments all they want, the fact of the matter is that 10 million formerly uninsured people now have insurance, and a few million others have switched from old to new plans.

I think we'll see a split, most glaring in the 2016 primaries. You'll have those on the far right who continue to argue for complete repeal - Cruz, Paul, etc. And then you'll have those "moderates" who initially argue for fixing the law (Jeb Bush, Christie, etc). The problem is that the far right will almost certain drag the moderates to the right in some form or fashion. And then come July when Jeb Bush or Scott Walker is the nominee they'll be proposing ACA fixes as reporters ask why they flip flopped on complete repeal.
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4373 on: April 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM »
Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i
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President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.
Shameful.

Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4374 on: April 02, 2014, 12:03:56 AM »
Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i
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President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.
Shameful.

Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?

Obama Whitewashes WWI With Speech Glorifying Imperialism.
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4375 on: April 02, 2014, 05:27:26 AM »
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WASHINGTON (AP) - AP sources: Obama's health care law on track to hit 7 million sign-ups on deadline day.

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The email blast from POTUS stated, "That doesn't count the more than 3 million young adults who have gained insurance under this law by staying on their families' plans."

So... more like 10M+ affected, benefiting from Obamacare's adoption.

I've actually seen a few "fed-up with lies" conservative posts recently.

One of them was another Obamacare email blast which was from a conservative who didn't vote for Obama, still disagrees with him about most everything, but signed up for Obamacare and is able to survive thanks to it. He watches Fox News regularly, and agrees with most of it, but wants to shout about how they're wrong about Obamacare...

Hot on the heels of which came this bizarro gem:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/31/3421018/fox-news-host-graham/
"Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn’t Offered An Alternative To Obamacare"
 :dizzy

The final weird moment (so far) was this answer to a question on Quora:
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Is there any way we'll ever really know for sure whether or not Obama was born in the US? Why?

Yes, there's a way I can know for sure that President Obama was born in the U.S. I live in Hawaiʻi on the island of Oahu, so I can drive about 20 minutes and be at the local government office building where they keep birth records and the like. There I can see the records of every birth that's taken place here, including Barack Obama's. It looks like this:

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Note, they won't allow just anyone to look at the actual birth certificate, but that log is available to anyone who wants to go look at it.

 From there I can drive over to the library or even the local newspaper and see copies of the birth announcement that appeared in the paper the day after he was born.

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So yes, I can be as sure that Obama was born here as I can be sure that anyone was born here. Honolulu is a pretty typical US city both today and back in the early sixties when President Obama was born. We keep records of things like births.

Also, I'm a conservative who voted against Obama both times. The idiotic belief that Obama was born overseas is not a conservative belief, it's a nutjob conspiracy theory belief.

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4376 on: April 02, 2014, 08:46:12 AM »
Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?
Obama Praises Events That Led To Creation Of The Soviet Union

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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4377 on: April 02, 2014, 10:06:16 AM »


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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4378 on: April 02, 2014, 10:12:49 AM »
Hot on the heels of which came this bizarro gem:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/31/3421018/fox-news-host-graham/
"Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn’t Offered An Alternative To Obamacare"
 :dizzy

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“I think it is good for the Republican party to have a plan of its own to insure Americans without losing your doctor and bankrupting the country,” Graham agreed. “Let’s start with the idea that pre-existing illnesses should not deny you coverage, that means you’re gonna have to have pools for the really sick, but why would you want to deny somebody insurance because they got sick? Allowing children to stay on the policies up to they’re 26 makes sense given this economy and buying policies across state lines makes a lot of sense to me.”

That pretty much says it all. Republicans don't have a plan, they have a few ideas they'd like to start with (you know, stuff that's already in the ACA). Maybe you should have started 5 or 6 years ago, buddy, it's a little late now. Well, I guess they actually do have a plan, it's just that their plan is"Get a second job, filthy poors; 599 US dollars (per month)!"
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Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #4379 on: April 02, 2014, 10:40:52 AM »
https://heartland.org/press-releases/2014/03/31/nipcc-releases-climate-change-reconsidered-ii-biological-impacts

Don't worry guys, global warming will help humanity. Cold related deaths with fall! Never you mind the extreme weather, case closed, global warming is awesome.

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