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[Human Snorenado]

Sometimes you wonder what compels these people to actually think they have a shot. I mean, in the primary even. Doesn't Graham remember the last three years where he was polling at like 30-40% against "Unnamed Conservative" who had 50-60% until nobody of note showed up to actually challenge him?

It's the Carter effect. An unlikely candidate just there at the right time and place. Many think the same thing could happen if they'd just try.

Well, it's not like politics attracts fevered egos with something to prove or anything.

[benjipwns]

Found it, he hits on most everything I could want:


Should look up that shark fin case. 

[Kara]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins

One of the great ones.

e: Still the greatest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._One_Book_Called_Ulysses

[benjipwns]

Wait, can my computer be charged for viewing the picture of those shark fins?!? I need it for Civ V.

I know somebody who included that Ulysses case in their thesis.

[benjipwns]

I would watch that Law and Order, if only because of Jeff Goldblum, he got to me watch more Criminal Intent and Will and Grace.

Though I've since seen his vinegar strokes.

[kingkitty]

Jeff Goldblum kinda sucks in Criminal Intent tbh...

[benjipwns]

I liked how everybody on the show basically hated him.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I would watch that Law and Order, if only because of Jeff Goldblum, he got to me watch more Criminal Intent and Will and Grace.

Though I've since seen his vinegar strokes.

That shit was hilarious. Ruxin's dad

[Steve Contra]

Gay marriage in some of the most toxic red states today

[Phoenix Dark]

Utah

Wyoming

[Joe Molotov]

[Brehvolution]

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

Get bent, bigot.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

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Get bent, bigot.

While I don't even come close to supporting her stance, if you think about her statement it's pretty factual.

[Brehvolution]

Nah man. If they took the case and banned ssm, they would be heralding it as the law of the land and a rebuke of Obama and how liberalism has failed and Benghazi!

They lost(again) and they mad salty.

Her statement is cookie cutter conservative whining.

[Oblivion]

Well looky, here. Seems Obama's done better on the UE rate than even Mitt Romney thought he could do.

Seems Obama was the better Republican president after all.

[Kara]

Seems Obama was the better Republican president after all.

He certainly has killed a lot of brown people abroad and cozied up with finance capital.

[Human Snorenado]

Gotta watch out for that Obola, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-dsouza-ebola-obola-obama

[Phoenix Dark]

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

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Get bent, bigot.

While I don't even come close to supporting her stance, if you think about her statement it's pretty factual.

not if you view gay marriage as a civil rights issue.

[Great Rumbler]

[benjipwns]

I doubt they make the argument but I could think of one that fits.

[benjipwns]

“If we can get her elected do you think she is going to do the right thing and she’s gonna try to wipe out that coal industry and go for better resources?” asks an undercover videographer in one segment of the video.

“I absolutely think she is,” responds Fayette County Democratic Party operative Gina Bess.

...

“She’s saying something positive about coal because she wants to be elected,” said Ros Hines, a staffer in Grimes’ Lexington campaign office. “And in the state of Kentucky, if you are anti-coal, you will not get elected, period, end of conversation.”

Some Grimes supporters captured in the hidden-camera video likewise suggest that Grimes is lying about her support for the industry in order to get elected.

“She has to say that,” remarked Juanita Rodriguez of the Warren County Democratic Party. “But you know what? Politics is a game. You do what you have to do to get [elected]. … It’s a lying game unfortunately.”

Rodriguez speculated that Grimes does not in fact support the industry to the extent that she has declared publicly.

“I really don’t think her heart is 100 percent in backing coal. But she has to say she is because she will not get a high number of votes in this state if she doesn’t. But she’s got to get in there first and she’s gonna say whatever she has to say or do. And that’s the way the political game is played.”

And just when I thought I could trust political ads.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Listened to a story on the radio about how the Dallas hospital which saw the ebola patient might experience negative revenue fallout from ebola because people aren't going into the ER and therefore their admissions to the hospital are really down and that's where the real money is. America ladies and gentlemen.

[Great Rumbler]

A politician saying something just to get elected? Stop the presses!

[Joe Molotov]

I doubt they make the argument but I could think of one that fits.

That Obama is incompetent in dealing with both of them?

[benjipwns]

Well, yes, of course. But also that they're pretty much not a threat to 99.99999% of the people in the U.S despite the media's treatment of the two.

I actually don't have anything clever or funny to run with here. 

[chronovore]

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Found it, he hits on most everything I could want:


Should look up that shark fin case. 

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[Am_I_Anonymous]

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CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

[benjipwns]

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ya actually

[benjipwns]

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CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

Maybe the crew on that missing plane caught Ebola.

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Sent by ISIS from their Black Hole secret lair.

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[Am_I_Anonymous]

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CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

Maybe the crew on that missing plane caught Ebola.

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Sent by ISIS from their Black Hole secret lair.

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Hold on, texting the lead writer on The Blacklist, brb.

I can already picture Spader now "See agent Keen, what you don't know is that this is a weaponized EBOLA created by the Russian Mob. It is targeting our banking system."

[benjipwns]

I think they already did an episode like that. With the dude who was making other people have his sons disease or whatever.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I think they already did an episode like that. With the dude who was making other people have his sons disease or whatever.

Indeed, but now with 100% more ebola.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-c-johnson-twitter-suspended


dude looks like a ginger version of FoC.

[benjipwns]

GOP's effective new message? "Tony Perkins and David Lane are right: Gay Marriage will lead to the collapse of American Society"

[Kara]

Go all in on a losing horse y'all.

[benjipwns]

It's not that Moral Majority social conservatism doesn't work, it's that they just didn't implement it right, it wasn't real social conservatism that followed the Bible fully.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

GOP's effective new message? "Tony Perkins and David Lane are right: Gay Marriage will lead to the collapse of American Society"

Why does my fucking party continue to embarass me on a fucking daily basis? Fuck.

[Dickie Dee]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-c-johnson-twitter-suspended


dude looks like a ginger version of FoC.

[Steve Contra]

Whitewater coming back brehs, the 90s are really here again:

http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html

I wish Mandark was here to enjoy this moment

[Kara]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/29/neoliberalism-economic-system-ethics-personality-psychopathicsthic

a nice liberal hatepiece

I read The Birth of Biopolitics too.

e: lol @ this article saying we have the freedom to support whatever political movement we want now.

[Great Rumbler]

Whitewater coming back brehs, the 90s are really here again:

http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html

I wish Mandark was here to enjoy this moment

Get ready for two more ten years of this!

[Brehvolution]

It's not that Moral Majority social conservatism doesn't work, it's that they just didn't implement it right, it wasn't real social conservatism that followed the Bible fully.

Not following most of the 10 commandments and committing several of the deadly sins while preaching damnation against them rubs people the wrong way. It may even make some people say to these social conservatives, "Go fuck yourself."

[benjipwns]

“For the employer, dropping [medical] coverage is a pretty decent deal [under ObamaCare]. . . . But for the employee, it’s a pretty lousy deal. Lockton [a benefits consulting company] ran the numbers, using data on how much employers pay for health insurance now and how much health insurance on the exchanges is projected to cost.They found that employers foot a significantly larger chunk of the insurance bill than the federal government would, even with the new subsidies they’d receive. The firm predicts their premiums would increase anywhere from 79 to 125 percent if they lose employer coverage and have to go to the exchange. There’s such a big variation because exchange subsidies vary by income: Those who earn less are eligible for a larger subsidy.”--Sarah Kliff, Washington Post website, Dec. 7, 2011

“Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, announced Tuesday that it would no longer offer health insurance benefits to its 26,000 part-time workers. Nobody likes losing any kind of benefit at work. But for the particular Walmart workers in this case, the end of employer-sponsored insurance could actually turn out to be a great thing.”--Sarah Kliff, Vox.com, Oct. 7, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-cost-of-dropping-health-insurance/2011/12/07/gIQAzTSYcO_blog.html
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/7/6939057/walmart-drops-insurance-good-news

 

[chronovore]

Open carry enthusiast robbed at gunpoint: ‘I like your gun. Give it to me.’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-at-gunpoint-i-like-your-gun-give-it-to-me/

[Rufus]

In a polite society, those ready, willing and able to draw first call the shots. :lenowned

[Dickie Dee]

Open carry enthusiast robbed at gunpoint: ‘I like your gun. Give it to me.’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-at-gunpoint-i-like-your-gun-give-it-to-me/

None of this would have happened it he'd had a gun.

[Great Rumbler]

He clearly needed a smaller gun for his gun, so that it could defend itself.

[Phoenix Dark]

“For the employer, dropping [medical] coverage is a pretty decent deal [under ObamaCare]. . . . But for the employee, it’s a pretty lousy deal. Lockton [a benefits consulting company] ran the numbers, using data on how much employers pay for health insurance now and how much health insurance on the exchanges is projected to cost.They found that employers foot a significantly larger chunk of the insurance bill than the federal government would, even with the new subsidies they’d receive. The firm predicts their premiums would increase anywhere from 79 to 125 percent if they lose employer coverage and have to go to the exchange. There’s such a big variation because exchange subsidies vary by income: Those who earn less are eligible for a larger subsidy.”--Sarah Kliff, Washington Post website, Dec. 7, 2011

“Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, announced Tuesday that it would no longer offer health insurance benefits to its 26,000 part-time workers. Nobody likes losing any kind of benefit at work. But for the particular Walmart workers in this case, the end of employer-sponsored insurance could actually turn out to be a great thing.”--Sarah Kliff, Vox.com, Oct. 7, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-cost-of-dropping-health-insurance/2011/12/07/gIQAzTSYcO_blog.html
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/7/6939057/walmart-drops-insurance-good-news

 

Projected vs actual costs. Take your L.

That being said this is bad news for a lot of people who live in states with poorly run exchanges and no Medicaid expansion. Walmart has some solid health plans but most part time workers can't afford them, so they get the cheap plans. Now they're going to be moved to highly subsidized ACA plans that are just as shitty. Which is why I never understood why the law "banned" existing junk policies. The bronze plans are pretty junky.

[Broseidon]

Open carry

[ToxicAdam]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see a lot of lefties taking shots at Wal-mart for dropping HC on their part-time workforce. But wasn't this the kind of stuff they predicted (hoped) would happen with Obamacare passing? Wasn't this part of the 'trojan horse' way of getting America to closer to a single payer system?


Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see a lot of lefties taking shots at Wal-mart for dropping HC on their part-time workforce. But wasn't this the kind of stuff they predicted (hoped) would happen with Obamacare passing? Wasn't this part of the 'trojan horse' way of getting America to closer to a single payer system?


Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

y'all dug your own hole, boys.

Lets see, my guys cost per week on my healthcare (single)  $32.99

My guys cost per week on obamacare   $58.85

[Kara]

Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

Liberals don't know that Trader Joe's is the American incarnation of Germany's Wal-Mart (Aldi).

[Human Snorenado]

ALMIGHTY KRUGTHULU SPEAKS

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

[Dickie Dee]

ALMIGHTY KRUGTHULU SPEAKS

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

if it wasnt krugman wouldn't bat an eye here.  republicans are bad, obama does some bad stuff and some good stuff, at least we're not going to full scale war, etc.

Sometimes he reads like a shill

republicans are bad, obama does some bad stuff and some good stuff, at least we're not going to full scale war, etc.

how does making basic, objectively true statements like these make one a shill?

[Phoenix Dark]

Why would you read Krugman for his #hottake on national security tho?

I fux with Krugman for economic ether. I doubt I'll read the full Rolling Stone article but from what I've skimmed it's what I'd expect. Obama did some good things, he did some bad things. I'll read the ACA part because I'm still baffled no one is declaring victory yet. The law is doing quite well and will only get better. And it would be doing even better if the Supreme Court didn't allow red states to essentially let people die.

[Phoenix Dark]

Oh my bad, I thought you were generally discussing Krugman's blog posts on national security.

but yea, ain't nobody got time for Obama's national security. Remember just a few years ago when the argument was that it was smart power, HW Bush-esque, etc. Now it's just distinguished mentally-challenged and contradictory. Oh well, at least he didn't hurl us into a ground war I guess.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Oh my bad, I thought you were generally discussing Krugman's blog posts on national security.

but yea, ain't nobody got time for Obama's national security. Remember just a few years ago when the argument was that it was smart power, HW Bush-esque, etc. Now it's just distinguished mentally-challenged and contradictory. Oh well, at least he didn't hurl us into a ground war I guess.

So you support the half ass method we are employing now?

[Dickie Dee]

It's at least better than the whole ass method of the previous President

[Phoenix Dark]

It's like people forgot we wasted a trillion dollars, thousands of US lives, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives in Iraq for nothing. Man the media's obsession with wanting some daddy figure to emit "strength" is disgusting. These are the same folks who cheered the war well into 2006.

[Brehvolution]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/palin-brawl-police-report-amazing-moments

Officers talked to a witness, Brian Horscel, who said that earlier in the evening he had seen yet another altercation involving the Palins. He almost tried to stop it, he told the police, until he realized who was involved

From the report: "He said that earlier he did see Track trying to start a fight with his dad, Todd, and he was about to step in until he found out that it was Todds (sic) son that was trying to fight him."