US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE

[Phoenix Dark]

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

To simplify. We simple do not make it easy to run a business in this country. Even other day I get a call from some regional tax agency, or the IRS, or some various other sales tax/inventory tax/tax tax  etc arm of the government trying to extort me for money.

Punish those who produce jobs, brehs

 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Oh I dunno, perhaps get some people hired back in at wages that can sustain a family and get them off the walmart night shift? Maybe?

Basically all the states are doing now is causing major companies to ping pong across the region trying to lock in tax cuts.

In Ohio alone I can think of quite a few companies that have moved or will move HQ's

Eaton
American Greetings
Graftech
Forest City
University Hospitals moving all non-medical employees to Euclid this year

etc.


Its gotta stop bro.

[sarslip]

nah we just need to tax corporations on their overseas earnings.

[CatsCatsCats]

Or maybe just a bigger bonus for the CEO, but who knows, how could we possibly predict what corporations would do with more money?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Or maybe just a bigger bonus for the CEO, but who knows, how could we possibly predict what corporations would do with more money?

Yes let's punish those with more success and more stake in the company instead of rewarding them, great idea.

[Great Rumbler]

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

You would be wrong. More people is more revenue.

Trust me I work/drink/gold with these guys often. They would love to hire back to pre-recession levels but can't because the current administration is indifferent to their pleas.

[benjipwns]

The correction wasn't disappeared just because the government (literally) papered over as much of it as they could.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Corporations don't pay taxes anyway, it's all passed on to workers, suppliers, customers, etc.

Our corporate tax code exists mainly for its loopholes.

[sarslip]

"punishing success" arguments 

[Steve Contra]

I think AIA forgot his previous response by the time he posted his last one.  That took like 30 seconds.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The correction wasn't disappeared just because the government (literally) papered over as much of it as they could.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Corporations don't pay taxes anyway, it's all passed on to workers, suppliers, customers, etc.

Our corporate tax code exists mainly for its loopholes.

So let's close them all down and produce nothing. We can be the next France. Awesome.

Brehs thinking they are owed something from major business or even better will wave at them when they pull what Eaton did and move their functional HQ overseas.

 

[benjipwns]

We are, no more on-disc DLC.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

We are, no more on-disc DLC.

That, sir, we can agree upon.

[Steve Contra]

There's no stopping AIA's train of thought now, even if his arguments aren't even consistent on the same page

[Am_I_Anonymous]

This is bad any way you slice it. A fortune 500 company moving it's HQ to Ireland to avoid 160 million in taxes?

There is no WAY anyone can say this is ideal for the american worker.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-21/eaton-expects-160-million-tax-savings-from-ireland-move.html

[Am_I_Anonymous]

There's no stopping AIA's train of thought now, even if his arguments aren't even consistent on the same page

Where am I not consistent?

Reduce Tax on corporations
Reward success
Keep corporations from leaving the US
Less taxes will equal more jobs and an actual reduction in supplier and end user costs.

Learn to read.  Also EBITA is a pain in my ass. That is all.

[Steve Contra]

You said corporations don't owe people shit, and gains should go the folks at the top, all while arguing that gains will lead to the people getting more.  Trickle down brehs

[Am_I_Anonymous]

You said corporations don't owe people shit, and gains should go the folks at the top, all while arguing that gains will lead to the people getting more.  Trickle down brehs

All of this is correct.

I'll send you a speak'n'spell for christmas. But you're paying the taxes on it.

[benjipwns]

Eliminate the corporate tax, eliminate the worldwide taxing, ditch the capital gains tax and instead redefine income properly instead of carving it out into all these special forms. Explore a negative income tax/guaranteed minimum income system. Then allow people to select the old tax code or the new one.

Then eliminate the state because taxation is theft.

[Phoenix Dark]

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

You would be wrong. More people is more revenue.

Trust me I work/drink/gold with these guys often. They would love to hire back to pre-recession levels but can't because the current administration is indifferent to their pleas.

I've been around enough of the very same people to know they're full of bullshit more often than not. Their corporate taxes haven't increased under Obama, health costs might have increased (although as you see with Wal Mart, the future=dumping workers into Medicaid or private plans to save money). They're sitting on a trillion plus.

How many jobs were created by Bush's tax cuts again? Oh yea.

Meanwhile consumer confidence is at its highest since 2007.

[Brehvolution]

In the fourth quarter of 2008, which immediately followed the 2008 financial crisis, economic activity fell sharply. BEA’s initial, or “advance” estimate of GDP for the quarter, which was released on January 30, 2009, showed a decrease of 3.8 percent at an annual rate. In the second estimate, which was released on February 27, 2009, the revised estimate showed a decrease of 6.2 percent. Since then, the estimate has been revised several more times (in March 2009, July 2009, July 2010, and July 2011), and the latest estimate shows a decrease of 8.9 percent. - See more at: http://www.bea.gov/faq/index.cfm?faq_id=1003#sthash.wPHv01dh.dpuf

I remember it was the Monday after xmas in 2008. 12/29/08. I was leaving my in laws who live about 1,500 feet from a major highway so there is always noise. I'm loading my kids into the car and I notice something, it's dead quiet. It's probably 8pm. I point this out to my father in law. We can hear an occasional car pass, but there were no big rigs hauling goods. Didn't see one the whole way home either.

[Phoenix Dark]

In the fourth quarter of 2008, which immediately followed the 2008 financial crisis, economic activity fell sharply. BEA’s initial, or “advance” estimate of GDP for the quarter, which was released on January 30, 2009, showed a decrease of 3.8 percent at an annual rate. In the second estimate, which was released on February 27, 2009, the revised estimate showed a decrease of 6.2 percent. Since then, the estimate has been revised several more times (in March 2009, July 2009, July 2010, and July 2011), and the latest estimate shows a decrease of 8.9 percent. - See more at: http://www.bea.gov/faq/index.cfm?faq_id=1003#sthash.wPHv01dh.dpuf

I remember it was the Monday after xmas in 2008. 12/29/08. I was leaving my in laws who live about 1,500 feet from a major highway so there is always noise. I'm loading my kids into the car and I notice something, it's dead quiet. It's probably 8pm. I point this out to my father in law. We can hear an occasional car pass, but there were no big rigs hauling goods. Didn't see one the whole way home either.

those were the good days compared to what Obummer did to the economy.

oh wait

[benjipwns]

Hey, anybody want to talk about polls?

[Steve Contra]

Oh lord, those were some fun months.  My wife had been doing mostly engineering work for cities and counties that had been expanding during he boom.  Luckily the owners of her firm took pay cuts and tightened everything up instead of doing layoffs and emerged with the same level of talent, extremely high morale and very little reinvestment that had to be done and they recovered quicker than most.  Basically what the Socialist Germans have done, and what we should have done, except for people like AIA

[Brehvolution]

Punish the nation for voting in a dem prez, brehs.

[Phoenix Dark]

Can you imagine how asinine life would be if Romney was president with a 5.9 unemployment rate now? We wouldn't be hearing a peep about participation rates or low wage jobs. It would be nonstop USA USA ROMNEY REAGAN REDUX.

[benjipwns]

[Himu]

so AIA are you a black republican

[Steve Contra]

If the fake Steven Spielberg's hat had said "Senor Spielbergo" all would've been forgiven.  As is McConnell is still one America's worst people.

[Brehvolution]

Let me rephrase that- selling weapons to a country that Congress explicitly told him NOT TO to fund a group of rebels Congress explicitly told him NOT TO.

Also, don't say anything bad about Israel!

Dude I'm a conservative,

I  Israel

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/the-crisis-in-us-israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/

“The good thing about Netanyahu is that he’s scared to launch wars,” the official said, expanding the definition of what a chickenshit Israeli prime minister looks like. “The bad thing about him is that he won’t do anything to reach an accommodation with the Palestinians or with the Sunni Arab states. The only thing he’s interested in is protecting himself from political defeat. He’s not [Yitzhak] Rabin, he’s not [Ariel] Sharon, he’s certainly no [Menachem] Begin. He’s got no guts.”

Is that antisemitism? :mjew

[benjipwns]

 

[Steve Contra]

AIA making me look forward to the libertarians replacing republicans one day

We could get JayDubya in here to change your mind real quick.

[Kara]

The USSR collapsed because Communism doesn't work because it suppresses information, (sorry Kara and Broseidon we can still smash the state together though!) especially when it's run by a bureaucracy that makes the U.S. Governments look nimble and flexible.

As a long-time fan of your GAF posting you're not going to bait me, benji.

I am however reporting you to Bob Avakian. How's that for suppression of information?

[Phoenix Dark]

@AiA
https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/527251176656756736

[Great Rumbler]

[benjipwns]

As a long-time fan of your GAF posting you're not going to bait me, benji.

I am however reporting you to Bob Avakian. How's that for suppression of information?

It didn't work because they didn't have BA's new vision of synthesis.

[benjipwns]

I like the "GET INTO BA!"

We need BA emoticons.

[benjipwns]

http://www.chriscrook.io/2014/10/21/the-tale-of-frank-m-conaway-jr-author/

Frank M. Conaway, Jr. is a current lawmaker in the Maryland House of Delegates, automatically starting a new term since there is no challenger for the November election.  Mr. Conaway is the son of former Delegate Frank Conaway, Sr.  He made it through the Democratic primary earlier this year despite not doing any apparent campaigning.  While only an anecdote, there were no campaign signs visible at any polling places I visited or drove past leading up the primary.  Who needs contributions to spend on advertising when you have dynastic name recognition thanks to your dad?

I recently had the displeasure of coming across Frank M. Conaway, Jr.’s literary works which he has apparently been writing for the last 13 years and as recently as earlier this summer.  Thanks to Adam Meister for the first introduction to them.  They appear to include the following titles available on Amazon (source of the publishing dates) or through his new website:

Baptist Gnostic Christian Eubonic Kundalinion Spiritual Ki Do Hermeneutic Metaphysics: The Word: Hermeneutics (2001)

THE 20 PENNIES A DAY DIET PLAN (2012)

Trapezium Giza Pyramid Artificial Black Hole Theory (2013)

Christian Kundalini Science- Proof of the Soul- Cryptogram Solution of Egyptian Stela 55001- & Opening the Hood of Ra (2014)

Mr. Conaway’s House of Delegates biography page lists him as an “Author”, while claiming no authorship to any specific works, so presumably this is the same Frank M. Conaway, Jr.  In the course of researching this post, I have confirmed this assumption thanks to his consistent misspellings, and also uncovered approximately 54 videos / rambling rants posted in the last month on YouTube under user account 314meta.  They are clearly the Frank M. Conaway Jr. in question.

[benjipwns]

Got another VOTER REPORT CARD today, this one shows the years I did and didn't vote instead of a generic rating. 

"Your friends and neighbors are counting on you to do your civic duty by voting."

Duty? DUTY?!? Fuck off, slaver.

[jakefromstatefarm]

hermeneutics


top 10 words I pull out to wax intllectual

[sarslip]

Throw the bums out!  It'll totally be different this time!

[kingkitty]

I kinda don't wanna vote next tuesday. Nothing juicy on my ballot besides some shitbird congressional race.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/06/lynn-jenkins/rep-lynn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

[Great Rumbler]

The WSJ is going all in on "vote out the Dems!" right now. Pretty amazing to see how few fucks they give about trying to appear nonpartisan at this point.

WSJ has also been going all in on tort "reform" and getting rid of class action lawsuits, as well.

[Steve Contra]

WSJ going hard on right leaning politics?  I'm shocked.

[sarslip]

I kinda don't wanna vote next tuesday. Nothing juicy on my ballot besides some shitbird congressional race.

sheeit i gotta support

our governor decriminalized pot



and allowed for sunday liquor sales




republicans 

[Trent Dole]

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

[Human Snorenado]

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

Nah, y'all fixin to elect a Republican govnah cause Coakley is apparently THAT SHITTY

[Phoenix Dark]

daily kos has some article up claiming it's all now Croakley's fault, insinuating some misogyny etc. She sucks, the end. How the person who lost the super majority for democrats in fucking MASSACHUSETTS got a shot at running for governor is baffling to me.

[Kara]

I love that this site is talking about Bob Avakian so much

I need a better Bob Avakian avatar.

Synthesis.

The BA avatar paired with PD's historic L from youth kills me every time I see it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I love it too because I can't really float around on the far-left as much as I'd like to anymore and BA is a mainstay of far-left humor because even the far-left realizes he's out to lunch.

[close]

[Trent Dole]

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

Nah, y'all fixin to elect a Republican govnah cause Coakley is apparently THAT SHITTY

Ew, gross. We let Romney be a our governor for a bit for some reason so it could happen again I guess.

[Kara]

Couldn't help but notice Orbital Sciences Corporation had a rocket blow up. Grats on not even being able to launch 5 rockets without one blowing up, private sector.

Soyuz still GOAT. You shouldn't have rushed to stop eating humble pie, NASA.

[Brehvolution]

That insurance largess. 

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/joe-biden-2016-elections-112328.html

DAVENPORT, Iowa — Hillary Clinton came here Wednesday to sharpen her stump speech and, while she was at it, campaign for Bruce Braley for Senate.

Joe Biden came Monday to shake hands, pose for photos, wallop Republicans and try to convince the 150 people in an executive suite at the city’s minor league ballpark that Braley’s race is more important than either of the ones that put him and President Barack Obama in office.

...

“I look out on that field, and first thing I think is, ‘Coach, put me in, man, I’m ready to play,’” Biden said.

Most of the time, it’s not so hard to tell what Biden’s thinking — he’s just said it. But even his inner circle doesn’t seem to know where his head is on 2016 — whether he is actually going to get in the game or stay on the sidelines, dreaming of his glory days.

Throughout the midterms, he has been helping out candidates all over the country. It’s not clear to anyone, though, that there’s been the kind of strategy to help himself he’d need if he were serious about a White House run.

“You know the idea’s rattling around there, but I think that’s as far as we can speculate at this point,” said Larry Rasky, communications director for Biden’s two previous presidential runs and still an adviser and friend.

...

People who’ve been talking to Biden say the factor weighing on his mind may be less Clinton than Obama. Even as a sitting vice president, Biden might not be too proud to run a long-shot campaign, they insist. He was living it up during those months in 2007 when he was lucky to get a dozen people in a room and finished with a grand total of 1 percent in the Iowa caucuses.

...

Anyway, some around Biden say, maybe he’d be a better fit to be Clinton’s secretary of state.

...

A presidential campaign platform seems easy to imagine to Biden fans: He has been a middle- and working-class warrior for decades, and he has years of experience dealing with foreign policy and building relationships. He’s a hero to the LGBT community for pushing ahead of the president on gay marriage. He’s been around Washington forever, and while critics and Washington politicos say his gaffe-tastic speeches have given him the image of a political buffoon, Biden fans believe they make him seem outside-the-Beltway authentic.

“Average Americans would like more of that, not less of that. I think they’re tired of this calculating, intellectualized, very scripted politics,” said Mark Gitenstein, a former aide who recently returned from a tour as ambassador to Romania and remains in touch with the vice president. “Biden says what he thinks, and I think we ought to see more of it.”

“The world is a very scary place to a lot of people, and a wise old fatherly figure would say to people, ‘This guy gets it,’” Rasky said.

As in Iowa, Biden’s been eagerly sought for midterm campaigns in places Obama, with his low approval ratings, can’t go near. With a little less prestige and fewer motorcade cordons than when the president comes to town, and a lot less scrutiny and blowback, Biden’s been talking student loans, health care, Social Security, the wage gap, budget cuts that cost cops on the street — all the things Democrats want people to be thinking about on Election Day.

...

Later that day at a Rockford, Illinois, union hall rally for Gov. Pat Quinn, he went after multimillionaire Republican nominee Bruce Rauner.

“You’d think he’d be embarrassed,” Biden said. “My God, how can you have that much money and say we should have no minimum wage?”

A number of Democratic operatives involved in this year’s races wish they’d heard more of that. They blame Biden’s indecision for not being as active and effective a midterm weapon as they’d wanted, not stumping more and planning more carefully the stops he has made. With the presidential talk in their minds, they see a politician who’s anxious about putting himself in a position where he might look like he’s running for president, and anxious, too, about not doing enough.

“He should be owning and selling the fact that he’s a useful surrogate,” said a Democratic strategist involved in this year’s races.

...

“Everyone makes too much of the preparation,” said Ted Kaufman, a former Biden aide and temporary U.S. senator from Delaware.

In the group that’s starting to get anxious, though, are people like Biden superfan Sharon Holle, a retired nurse who was the Davenport field director for his 2008 run who gushes about every encounter she’s ever had with him.

Whenever Biden comes to town, she’s there, along with all the other supporters who are wishing he’d run.

“He hears that we’re on board, and his eyes just twinkle,” Holle said at a café overlooking the Mississippi just before Monday’s event.

Maybe that’s a yes. Maybe that’s a wistful no. Holle said she has no idea.

“If Biden is going to run for president, he needs to start getting staffers on the ground here in Iowa now,” she said.

There are people on his staff convinced he’ll run and have been since election night 2012. There are people on his staff who are sure he won’t.

In Davenport, Biden tells a story he’s told before, a lesson he says he learned in his earliest days in the Senate, when candidates kept asking him his secret to winning.

Simple, Biden remembers saying.

“You have to figure out what’s worth losing over.”

[benjipwns]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/upshot/why-polls-tend-to-undercount-democrats.html?abt=0002&abg=0

THERE'S STILL HOPE *rubs beads*

Lynn is a trusted commenter New York 37 minutes ago
"There are reasons to question whether the problems will be as acute this year, because many of the young and nonwhite voters who pose the biggest challenges to pollsters will most likely stay home in a midterm election. "

Or, of course, in places like Georgia and Texas, the Republicans will bias the electorate to fit the polls, by keeping these groups from voting by prevented them from registering to vote, or by kicking them off the voting rolls because they lack Republican-biased IDs (such as the 93-year old man in Texas who doesn't have a Driver's license and, since he also doesn't have a car, has to take a day and 3 buses each way to get to a place where he can get an ID, while the white suburban Republican just drives into his polling place and votes.

"Republican-biased IDs" is a new one for me.

[Kara]

I know someone who works for orbital as an engineer :O

gonna check social media for some laughs

Just remember, the only thing that died are people's stock portfolios so you can troll and not be a dick.

I'm real glad I have my "can troll the space shuttle" card since people actually died in those disasters. (BTW, more people died during the lifespan of the shuttle program than the Soyuz program--which is still running. GOAT.)

[benjipwns]

He was so critical of flaws in NASA's "safety culture" that he threatened to remove his name from the report unless it included his personal observations on the reliability of the shuttle, which appeared as Appendix F.[53] In the appendix, he argued that the estimates of reliability offered by NASA management were wildly unrealistic, differing as much as a thousandfold from the estimates of working engineers. "For a successful technology," he concluded, "reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."[54]

Richard Feynman wrote that while other members of the Commission met with NASA and supplier top management he sought out the engineers and technicians. That is how he became aware of the O-ring problem. He also noted that one of the Commission's main worries concerned the type of leather binding in which to present the report to the President.[14]

That's my favorite part of the Rogers Commission.

[benjipwns]

Ew, gross. We let Romney be a our governor for a bit for some reason so it could happen again I guess.

Massachusetts had a Republican governor from 1991-2007. And 1965-1975. The interim was mostly Dukakis.

[Phoenix Dark]

The east coast has always had "east coast republicans" who do well. If Scott Brown wasn't a dumbass and didn't face Warren he probably would have won. IMO he should have stayed in MA because now he can't go back. He could have challenged Markey in a few years.