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[Positive Touch]

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

given your posts in this thread today I think you could really go for doing a better job of following the news

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

given your posts in this thread today I think you could really go for doing a better job of following the news

BRB checking your contributions...oh

[Positive Touch]

....yeeeeah ok dude

[Steve Contra]

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

So when someone is asked if they voted for Brownback because they thought his policies were working and they say "I voted for him because he's a patriot, a christian, and a family man" without even skipping a beat I'm supposed to think, gee, I'm pretty hopeful for the state of Kansas and other states that are enacting similar policies.  Or am I supposed to think wtf these people are fucking idiots.

[Brehvolution]

It's because fox news doesn't tell Kansans that their local government now runs a $700M deficit so it must not be true.

[Phoenix Dark]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?

[CatsCatsCats]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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Same time as anyone, when it benefits their political message

[benjipwns]

[milchs evil twin]

I can't get over how much "Mia Love" sounds like a porn star name.

[Steve Contra]

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We all knew who took the biggest loss last night, the libertarians

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/11/ed_fitzgerald_lost_governors_r.html#incart_m-rpt-1

[benjipwns]

We all knew who took the biggest loss last night, the libertarians

like they had anything to lose 

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gotta wait on the popular vote, I think they might have beat the 1.6%/1.7% records and possibly even cracked 2%

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[benjipwns]

I can't get over how much "Mia Love" sounds like a porn star name.

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=MiaLove/gender=f/Mia-Love.htm

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/11/ed_fitzgerald_lost_governors_r.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Yea...he was never going to win after the cheating bombshell.

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

[Van Cruncheon]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

[Phoenix Dark]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

True. Worse yet a massive state deficit is substantially different from a massive national deficit. Kansas can't print more money, nor do they have the biggest economy in the world.

300m revenue shortfall. Get ready for unprecedented public school shutdowns!

[Human Snorenado]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

[Am_I_Anonymous]

We really need a trollbron face

[Van Cruncheon]

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
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despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

my dumpster's gilded as FUCK, brony.   

[benjipwns]

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

I assume he'll do better than the last time he ran for President.

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Gross, there's crony capitalist all over the thread now.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yeah clearly Drinky is a broke boy

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That's why I said it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/05/politics/midterm-historic-firsts-new-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Phoenix Dark]

Yeah clearly Drinky is a broke boy

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You can only stack paper on a sinking ship for so long

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Just because

Whole thread "GOP hates black people"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/05/politics/midterm-historic-firsts-new-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Human Snorenado]

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

I assume he'll do better than the last time he ran for President.

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Gross, there's crony capitalist all over the thread now.

You're not allowed to hate rich people, Benji. Keep that shit up and you're gonna be kicked off the Objectivist Ranch

[benjipwns]

Ayn would have never let me set foot on it, let alone Peikoff.

[Kara]

But no matter how much you crank up the taxes and social programs,  that doesn't make you a communist.

Totally. 

No matter how much property you seize from people for no reason other than to give it to someone else, it has nothing to do with "From each according to their ability to each according to their needs."  I mean, that's just intuitively obvious.  For sure.

A fair point, but there is still private ownership of the means of production.

Setting aside the fact that in the communist mode of production there is no money, ergo no taxation, if the existence of taxation is in and of itself communism then the history of humanity is more or less the history of communism, from SPQR to k. und k.

Unrelated: While I'm on the fence about the current Democratic Party, historically we've always tried to save capitalism from itself. That the policies used to do so coincide with those of social democrats (who once upon a time believed in building socialism) strikes me as more of an indictment of social democracy than evidence of America's long road to New Synthesis, but I obviously have an open disdain for social democracy.

[benjipwns]

Social Democracy (and its related partners) to me is almost a meaningless term. Like, it's just a waypoint on the way to actual ideologies, kinda like Conservatism.

Women’s health activist Sandra Fluke lost her bid for a seat in the California state Senate.
Fluke, a Democrat who rose to prominence after conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh called her a “slut” for asking that religious institutions cover birth control and abortions, lost to Democrat Ben Allen in California’s 26th District.

Allen won the primary in June to take the state Senate seat left behind by Democrat Ted Lieu. According to LA Weekly, the Santa Monica-Malibu school board member held a 22-point lead over Fluke after more than half of the votes were in.

Both candidates, who faced off Tuesday after finishing as the top two in the June primary, raised over $1 million for their campaigns.

Meanwhile, three weeks ago: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/16/opinion/kohn-democrats-midterms/index.html
oops 

[benjipwns]

Post in the GAF Election thread reminded me: Rush Limbaugh had a caller raging at Libertarians for costing some races (like VA) and how libertarians are really just liberals in denial, that intentions and emotions are all that matter to them, say things they want to hear about pot or sex and they'll vote for you and thus why they always vote Democratic.

POLITICAL DISCOURSE

[toku]

This can't be real right? Where you at Cheddahz?
https://twitter.com/troyauztin/status/530022087260254208

[benjipwns]

Oh, it was academic:
http://www.wspa.com/story/27294393/exit-poll-angers-some-sc-voters

SPARTANBURG COUNTY, S.C. -
Some South Carolina voters are upset over an exit poll they received which referenced race and slavery.

The poll, which was handed out to voters in Charleston, Columbia, Greenville and Spartanburg asked them to agree or disagree on statements on whether blacks don't work hard enough to advance economically, are too demanding in their pursuit of equal rights and are hindered by the effects of slavery and discrimination.

“I took this poll in Seneca,” wrote Matt Alexander, on the WSPA Facebook page. “I didn't answer some of the questions. They were overtly racist.”

“I actually thought it was a joke,” wrote Bonnie Lemley. “Apparently, it wasn't.”

The poll was conducted by David Woodard, a political science professor at Clemson University. Woodard said he was trying to prove that race has no bearing on whether whites vote for political candidates.

“It was designed to take advantage of a political moment of Senator Tim Scott's election as the first African-American from a southern state since reconstruction,” said Woodard. “It was not designed to be provocative.”

Woodard said the controversial statements mentioned in his polls were used by pollsters for decades and that's why he chose to include it. He was surprised by the reaction.

“We do this every day. We didn't think too much about it until we got it out in the field and saw that there was some reaction,” he said.

Woodard partnered with Paul White Jr., a doctoral candidate in political science from University of South Carolina on this project. White handed out polls in Columbia.

“You had liberals getting offended. You had conservatives getting offended. It was all over the place,” said White.

About 1,000 exit polls were handed out. Woodard and White plan to publish the finding in a research paper slated for release in January.

[Kara]

Social Democracy (and its related partners) to me is almost a meaningless term. Like, it's just a waypoint on the way to actual ideologies, kinda like Conservatism.

Social democracy's last meaningful contribution to left thought was Rudolf Meidner's workers fund proposal, which, to my knowledge, was never implemented anywhere in the world.

By the time the Soviet Union fell, it had become such a meaningless political categorization that the more cynical Communist parties simply rebranded themselves as social democratic parties and managed to win elections again. The fucking PZPR won the Sejm under the SLD moniker, fer chrissake.

(There are few social democratic parties I would not consider cravenly electoral, but they are few and far between. It basically means "liberalism with a human face" now but most of these parties can't be honest and toss off their union ties because they'd never win anything again if they did.)

[benjipwns]

IIRC, a lot of the Yugoslavian parties rebranded that way, I know Croatia's League of Communists were suddenly the Social Democrats in time for the "free" elections in 1990.

I do think the rise of some of the so-called "far right" parties in European countries are in part because of the Labour/SD parties liberalizing in the 1990's and the Swedish Democrats, UKIP, etc. combine some nice nationalism with their, at times in comparison to Social Democrats, socialism.

I forget which country it was, but there was a candidate for one of these parties who was espousing nationalizing any company/industry that hired Muslims. 

[Broseidon]

UKIP, etc. combine some nice nationalism with their, at times in comparison to Social Democrats, socialism.

[benjipwns]

Sorry, meant BNP but was thinking about UKIP for whatever reason.

[benjipwns]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/meet-ben-carson-republican-throw-hat-2016-ring/story?id=26735300

Yes, the 2016 race for the White House has already gotten started -- and it looks like Dr. Ben Carson is first in the ring.

Carson, a famous pediatric neurosurgeon and conservative political star, will air a nearly 40 minute-long ad introducing himself to the American people this weekend, an aide to Carson confirms to ABC News.

The documentary titled “A Breath of Fresh Air: A New Prescription for America” will air in 22 states and Washington, DC. The paid video will detail some of his biography and family life, including his rise from being born to a single mother with a poor childhood in Detroit to director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins for almost 40 years, known for his work separating conjoined twins, to potential 2016 presidential candidate.

[benjipwns]

Some of the Democratic defeatism/depression is sucking all the fun out of things. The Republicans weren't as bad in 2012 as certain circles are acting this week.

I blame the youth. Every political generation needs their balls wrecked. The Obama one hadn't yet, 2010 wasn't bad enough and 2012 put salve on it. Especially with the GERRYMANDERINGIERINGING!

Those who came of age through 1994 had it real hard.

Peter Jennings' butthurt from then will never be topped:

Some thoughts on those angry voters. Ask parents of any two-year-old and they can tell you about those temper tantrums: the stomping feet, the rolling eyes, the screaming. It's clear that the anger controls the child and not the other way around. It's the job of the parent to teach the child to control the anger and channel it in a positive way. Imagine a nation full of uncontrolled two-year-old rage. The voters had a temper tantrum last week....Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old.

Classic 1994 coverage featuring RON SANTORUM:

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I guess the Bush generation had an interesting time, with 2000, 2002 and 2004 being one ball kick after another.

[Great Rumbler]

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

[Phoenix Dark]

The job gains were broad-based, though many lower-paying industries posted large increases. Retailers added 27,100 jobs, while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000.

Some higher-paying industries also showed progress. Manufacturers added 15,000 jobs, up from 9,000 the previous month. Transportation and shipping companies gained 13,300. And professional and business services, which includes accountants, engineers and other higher-skilled fields, added 37,000.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/us-economy-jobs-unemployment

High skilled jobs out performed retail, manufacturing increased. I'd call those silver linings, and it's been like that for much of the last few months. Obviously retail jobs are going to explode for the next couple months though.

The problem is more so wage stagnation.

[TakingBackSunday]

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 

while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000




Pretend like Abercrombie and Fitch and Applebees are saving the economy brehs.

[Steve Contra]

My wife's small engineering firm has added about 10 people in the past year, and these aren't low paying jobs.  I just hired someone this week at a not insignificant rate.  Shit is working, AiA mad.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

My wife's small engineering firm has added about 10 people in the past year, and these aren't low paying jobs.  I just hired someone this week at a not insignificant rate.  Shit is working, AiA mad.

Not mad, I just don't fall for this bullshit. What's our U6 at, Steve? Thought so.

Here let me help

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

Go ahead, tell me the flowers are blooming, my friend.

[Phoenix Dark]

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 

while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000




Pretend like Abercrombie and Fitch and Applebees are saving the economy brehs.

It's not hurting my portfolio I tell you what.

Middleby Corp

[Am_I_Anonymous]

My daughter just spent about 600 bucks at AF, you're welcome.


Dividends

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Ben Carson announced he's going for 2016.

Angelina Jolie says she's interested too. Seems legit.

[Steve Contra]

I can't wait for the Republican primary season to get started.  Wait it already has.

[Human Snorenado]

Welp, goodbye federal exchange

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/supreme-court-obamacare-subsidies-case

[Phoenix Dark]

gonna be funny seeing Scalia flip flop on this issue.

[Great Rumbler]

Poor people in conservative states don't need health insurance, come on.

[Human Snorenado]

If the court flips on subsidies (which I expect) then it's gonna be funny that you'll have a situation where Kentucky is basically a better state to live in than Georgia or North Carolina. Shit is fucked, man.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If the court flips on subsidies (which I expect) then it's gonna be funny that you'll have a situation where Kentucky is basically a better state to live in than Georgia or North Carolina. Shit is fucked, man.

Indeed.

Kentucky as a destination state....

 

[Great Rumbler]

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

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Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

[Human Snorenado]

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

[Great Rumbler]

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

Yeah, but:

Lynch's office helped investigate Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, which resulted in the bank agreeing to a US$7 billion settlement, and was also involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with with HSBC over lapses in the bank anti money laundering controls.

[Human Snorenado]

Isn't that cute, walking around money for these assholes. Call me back when she throws someone into fucking jail.

[Phoenix Dark]

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

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Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

She attended an elementary school with mostly white students, and recalled scoring high on a standardized test. Administrators demanded the young Ms. Lynch retake it, she said.
Ms. Lynch's mother fought back, saying the score wouldn't have been questioned if her daughter was white. Ultimately, Ms. Lynch took the test again and, to her mother's "great delight," scored even higher, she said.

Before Ms. Lynch was named to the top job, she was tapped to join a career-making or -breaking prosecution: the Abner Louima police-brutality case.
In August 1997, Mr. Louima was sodomized with a stick in the bathroom of a Brooklyn precinct, according to testimony at the trial.

Mr. Louima, a Haitian immigrant, was in the precinct because he had been charged with assaulting an officer.
Officer Justin Volpe pleaded guilty to the attack on Mr. Louima midway through the trial and received a 30-year prison sentence. Other officers were convicted of lesser charges and still others were acquitted.

cac tears incoming

[Joe Molotov]

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

Still would make a good :ufup2 emote, tho.