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[Am_I_Anonymous]

Romney is running in 2016.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Like my salty tears brehs

 

I will consult with my fellow black republicans on this matter.

[Brehvolution]

 

[Brehvolution]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/aspiring-politician-hopes-government-leaves-some-w,37526/

COLUMBIA, MO—Worried that the remaining legal protections in his state will be fully dismantled by the time he can run for office, University of Missouri senior and aspiring politician Andrew Lipian told reporters Monday he hopes the government will leave at least a few women’s rights for him to gut one day.

“I just want to tell our current legislators, ‘Hey, leave a little bit for me,’ you know?” he continued. “The rest of us would like to have some pro-female policies to undermine, too.”

[El Babua]

It's not like Romney will win the nomination. I expect him to be clowned on to hell and back during the primaries.

[benjipwns]

http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/head-fake-obama-never-signed-amnesty-order/

NEW YORK – It’s common knowledge President Obama signed an executive order directing the Department of Homeland Security to forgive millions of illegal aliens for their past violations of immigration law, right?

Wrong.

Today the National Archives and Records Administration, responsible for maintaining such filings, said no such executive order was ever signed or filed, confirming WND’s report Wednesday.

A National Archives librarian, Jeffrey Hartley, made the confirmation in an email Thursday to WND.

“As I indicated, it would appear that there is not an Executive Order stemming from the President’s remarks on November 20 on immigration,” Hartley wrote.

Hartley said that neither of the executive orders Obama signed in Las Vegas the day after his announcement fulfill his plan to defer deportations and grant work permits to up to 5 million illegal aliens.

“The only two documents that I have located are two Presidential Memoranda, which are available from the White House site,” Hartley’s email continued. “They can also be found in the November 26, 2014 issue of the Federal Register.”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/amnesty-shocker-the-secret-behind-obamas-order/

NEW YORK – Did President Obama just set up Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to be a candidate for impeachment instead of himself if conservatives convince the Republican majorities in the House and the Senate that his “executive actions” on immigration are unconstitutional?

The inquiry begins with the question: Where are the executive orders Obama supposedly signed to permit up to 5 million parents of young illegal aliens to remain in the United States for three years?

The White House appears to have engaged in administrative sleight of hand, changing U.S. immigration law not by executive order but by a memorandum “exercising prosecutorial discretion” Johnson signed the day of Obama’s Nov. 20 nationwide address that so far has not been filed in the Federal Register.

[benjipwns]

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/226139-22-people-had-to-approve-romney-tweets

Aides to Mitt Romney’s presidential team in 2012 are airing their frustrations with the campaign, alleging that tweets had to be approved by nearly two dozen people by the end of the race.

“So whether it was a tweet, Facebook post, blog post, photo — anything you could imagine — it had to be sent around to everyone for approval,” former Romney campaign aide Caitlin Checkett told Daniel Kreiss, an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina’s School of Journalism and Mass Communication in a new academic paper.

“Towards the end of the campaign that was 22 individuals who had to approve it,” Checkett said.

Zac Moffatt, the Romney campaign’s digital director, cracked that they had “the best tweets ever written by 17 people.”

The paper lays bare some of the difficulties Romney’s campaign had in keeping up with the demands of the 21st-century campaign, which requires candidates to push their message on an ever-growing list of online platforms.
Former Romney staffers told Kreiss they were stymied by bureaucracy, even when they had the resources to produce original digital content.

Press releases became the basis for online content simply because they had already been approved by campaign leadership, they said.

“So I felt like that was a huge problem because of course people don’t want to go to your website and read press releases and we knew that,” Checkett said.

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/michigan_house_approves_religi.html

LANSING, MI — Michigan’s Republican-led House on Thursday approved a proposed "Religious Freedom Restoration Act," which supporters say is intended to limit government laws that may burden an individual's free exercise of religion.

The fast-tracked bill, sponsored by House Speaker Jase Bolger, was introduced last month and advanced out of committee earlier Thursday. It now heads the Senate for consideration.

The 59-50 party-line House vote occurred just one day after competing proposals to add gay rights protections to Michigan’s anti-discrimination law stalled in committee due to a dispute over including transgender residents.

Bolger, who had indicated he would only support the narrower version of the anti-discrimination bill, said he was sad to see it fail but still felt it important to move ahead with the religious freedom proposal.

“I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” Bolger said during committee testimony. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”

Bolger emphasized that his religious liberty bill would not provide “a license to discriminate,”

[Am_I_Anonymous]

With that layer of future government employed assistants on the payroll are we sure Romney isnt a liberal?

[Human Snorenado]

He's just a successful CEO showing off his management skills, brehs

[Great Rumbler]

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2014/12/ted_nugent_claims_millions_of_black_people_kill_each_other_every_day.php

the ultimate shitheel

Speaking of sex offenders...

[Great Rumbler]

And then there's the fact that Nugent is a pedophile:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html

[Joe Molotov]

I'm not sure if I should be offended at this headline from a menstruation angle or a Hurricane Katrina angle, SJWs pls advise.

[benjipwns]

I like the fitting of Hillary in the frame.

[Great Rumbler]

I like the fitting of Hillary in the frame.

Landrieu's defeat was clearly a repudiation of Hillary and her legacy, and also a sign that America is finally ready for President Ben Carson.

[Great Rumbler]

[Phoenix Dark]

dat business acumen

Business don't makes quick, reactive decisions. The growth we're seeing now...has been going on all year - and always increases in the finale months of the year for the holiday sales surge. IE hiring has been ramping up month by month. No business woke up on November 7th and said "oh man, hurry up and hire a bunch of people this month!"

I guess we won't be hearing much "bubububu retail jobs!" anymore huh.

[Phoenix Dark]

also worth mentioning this growth continues despite taxes being raised last year, and Obamacare going into effect.


not to mention gas prices being low despite no Canada pipelinez


explain complex business cycles/decisions based on bullshit political talking points brehs

[Phoenix Dark]

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

[Van Cruncheon]

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

this. i know for a FACT that the biggest corporations pay around 5% to 10%.

[Phoenix Dark]

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

this. i know for a FACT that the biggest corporations pay around 5% to 10%.

Same. Corporate tax griefing is almost always built on bullshit. If you want to change corporate taxes you should aim at loop holes and off shore shit.

Next Awesom-O will pimp repatriation.

[Oblivion]

Possibly dumb question, but every time talk of the corporate tax rate comes up, I always hear people saying we should close the loop holes but lower the rate (even Obama says that). My question: why don't we keep the same rates but just close the damn loopholes?

[Mupepe]

I also make a living off that complex nonsense.  I SAY LET IT STAY!

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd be fine with a scenario where the corporate rate was 27-28% with loopholes and exploits shitcanned...but that's not going to happen.

It makes more sense to lower taxes for small businesses, although I would have done it back in 2009-2010. Now it might not technically be necessary.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/us/politics/bush-and-cia-ex-officials-rebut-torture-report.html?_r=0

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/us/politics/bush-and-cia-ex-officials-rebut-torture-report.html?_r=0

oh, for real?

[benjipwns]

Who are you going to trust, some Democratic Congressional Staffers who were probably like 8 years old on 9/11 or the people who were there, ordering, overseeing and carrying out the torture?

[benjipwns]

General Hayden appeared earlier on Sunday on “Face the Nation” on CBS News to say that any assertion that the C.I.A. “lied to everyone about a program that wasn’t doing any good, that beggars the imagination.”

Exactly.

[Joe Molotov]

If it was so bad that they can't tell us how bad it was, then surely it can't have been that bad.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Who are you going to trust, some Democratic Congressional Staffers who were probably like 8 years old on 9/11 or the people who were there, ordering, overseeing and carrying out the torture?

[Brehvolution]

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres758/text

(12)

calls on North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies and United States partners in Europe and other nations around the world to suspend all military cooperation with Russia, including prohibiting the sale to the Russian Government of lethal and non-lethal military equipment;
(13)

reaffirms the commitment of the United States to its obligations under the North Atlantic Treaty, especially Article 5, and calls on all Alliance member states to provide their full share of the resources needed to ensure their collective defense;
(14)

urges the President, in consultation with Congress, to conduct a review of the force posture, readiness, and responsibilities of United States Armed Forces and the forces of other members of NATO to determine if the contributions and actions of each are sufficient to meet the obligations of collective self-defense under Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty and to specify the measures needed to remedy any deficiencies;

Bang them drums. Why is no one covering this? It just passed the house Saturday.

[MrAngryFace]

Man, I don't wanna a full blown tussel in this day of age- them nukes

[Great Rumbler]

People actually think Obama is gonna go ahead with a full-blown war against Russia?

[kingkitty]

torture 

[Brehvolution]

People actually think Obama is gonna go ahead with a full-blown war against Russia?

No, but a good chunk of the house does. It's probably all just sabre rattling, but we have a lot of fucking idiots in control of the sabre.

[Brehvolution]

torture 

Torture defenders 

[Oblivion]

Possibly dumb question, but every time talk of the corporate tax rate comes up, I always hear people saying we should close the loop holes but lower the rate (even Obama says that). My question: why don't we keep the same rates but just close the damn loopholes?

That would be because the rate is fucking high - and not just in some kind of "opinion that taxes should be low" sense, but relative to everywhere else - and businesses will pass those costs on to the consumer assuming they stay centered in the U.S. at all... which strongly incentivizes moving, because then they wouldn't have to raise prices and thus lose business... meaning that instead of getting a fraction of that big number based on "loopholes," you get nothing.

It's not like personal income taxes are much different with all the stupid deductions, overly complex and almost randomly punishing or rewarding you for random and stupid things.

The U.S. tax system is not just arcane, it is the blackest of magic, which is why the Karakands of the world have work doing something so trivial and dependent entirely on bureaucracy and complexity that is not needed.

Where are the job creators gonna flee to if we make tax shelters like the Cayman Islands illegal?

[Human Snorenado]

Ta-Nahesi Coates shits all over the death of The New Republic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/the-new-republic-an-appreciation/383561/?single_page=true

[Phoenix Dark]

what follows will be a variety of liberal writers RTing that article, nevermind they were handwriting over the sad death of TNR mere days ago.

[Brehvolution]

The calls from the UN to prosecute the torture architects.

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Won't happen

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[Human Snorenado]

I wonder what Ronald Reagan would think!

“The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of [this] Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called ‘universal jurisdiction.’ Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution,” -Ronald Reagan's signing statement on the ratification of the UN Convention on Torture.

[Great Rumbler]

Torture totally isn't a big deal, guys, especially if it's just mental stuff!

Besides, we only did it against the bad guys*!

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*As designated by the CIA

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[benjipwns]

Feinstein admits more violence to come because of Democrats actions!

Former CIA official Jose Rodriguez joined Sean Hannity on "Hannity" tonight to discuss the release of a report on the CIA's enhanced interrogation methods.

"It's a very dark day for the CIA," Rodriguez, the former Director of the National Clandestine Service, said. "I think the CIA's being thrown under the bus."

He explained that politicians are playing "political football" with the agency, asserting that both the Senate and the committee were briefed multiple times on what the CIA was doing.

"We feel that we briefed them, we briefed them thoroughly, and they are hypocritical," Rodriguez said.

He added that only three people were waterboarded during the entire length of the interrogation program.

He also disagreed with the report's conclusion that the enhanced interrogation methods were ineffective at protecting Americans and stated that anyone who was there knows that's not true.

[benjipwns]

“Senate Republicans met behind closed doors Tuesday to debate whether they should reverse changes to the filibuster that made it easier for Senate Democrats to confirm President Obama’s nominees,” the Hill reports:

While many expressed anger over last years’ [sic] move by the Democrats and Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to unilaterally change the rules through a procedure known as the “nuclear option,” some say the new rules should be kept in case a Republican wins the White House in 2016. . . .
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told reporters that, while the nuclear option was a “mistake,” he believes the new GOP Senate should keep the rules.
“I don’t think there should be one rule for Democrats and one rule for Republicans,” he said.

In favor of restoring the rule, which effectively required 60 votes to confirm a nominee, is South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham, who was a member of the so-called Gang of 14, a bipartisan group that negotiated a 2005 compromise to avert a Republican attempt to go nuclear:

Graham said both veterans and newcomers to the Senate are on both sides of the issue.

“It’s a hard thing to figure out, but it’s always been easy for me,” he said. “Before I got here, the place seemed to work OK. . . .”

I just want to make some kind of joke about that last line.

[Great Rumbler]

[benjipwns]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vice-president-dick-cheney-cia-torture-report-full/story?id=27513355

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says a declassified Senate report on the controversial post-9/11 CIA interrogation program is "full of crap."

"I think it is a terrible report, deeply flawed," Cheney said on Fox News, his first televised interview since the report's release. "It's a classic example of where politicians get together and throw professionals under the bus."

[benjipwns]

[Great Rumbler]

Let's just give everybody a gun and allow them to carry it around with them everywhere they go.

[benjipwns]

Just realized they did the other poll after a bunch of little kids had just gotten gunned down, meanwhile the last mass shooting* this year was I think that one back in May in California?

*not committed by law enforcement

Let's just give everybody a gun and allow them to carry it around with them everywhere they go.

To protect themselves from Dick Cheney?

[Brehvolution]

The democrat torture report is full of crap. The gop benghazi report is full of crap. THis should be Obama's attitude whenever he is asked to answer a gop talking point... "It's full of crap."

[Great Rumbler]

Asked if there was ever a point where he knew more about the CIA's activity than the President, Cheney said "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

[Joe Molotov]

I think Senator Church might have said something about this once, but he was a Democrat so it probably doesn't matter.

[Phoenix Dark]

I still don't understand why Obama wasted part of the early portion of his second term on guns, knowing it wouldn't work with a republican House. Automatic weapons aren't even the problem - the problem revolves around illegal guns pumped into inner cities through straw purchases and other underground transactions.

[benjipwns]

the problem revolves around illegal guns pumped into inner cities through straw purchases and other underground transactions.

Look at the Fox News talking head whining about Fast and Furious.

[benjipwns]

To be serious though, I think in the wake of the 2012 victory the bubble Democrats really bought into that baloney 90% poll as if it meant there was a huge wave in their direction with the American people clamoring for a comprehensive bill Feinstein had written four years earlier that went to the absurdity of banning specific gun models by name.

They were constantly brushing off that it was just about background checks, which is already effectively the law, and reading more into it than there was.

[Phoenix Dark]

Not to mention all the groups that arose with questionable polls "proving" Americans had woken up on guns, and would vote against politicians who opposed gun control. The only people who vote on guns are pro-gun people. That has always been the case.

I doubt it would have worked, but Obama should have nixed Feinstein's automatic weapon bullshit. It wouldn't even be a concession - banning automatic weapons would not lower gun crime given the fact that the majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns. Focusing on background checks, shitcanned straw purchases, etc would have made far more sense and perhaps been less controversial. I still don't think it would have worked though.

[Human Snorenado]

Tea Party : taxes :: Gamergate : ethics in game journalism

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-partiers-protest-lynch-obama

[Trent Dole]

Haha only two dozen people. The Ferguson etc. March at my community college last week had more participants than that.

[benjipwns]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/11/remember-that-time-elizabeth-warren-said-a-shutdown-was-anarchy/

You’d think that they believe that the government that functions best is a government that doesn’t function at all. So far, they haven’t ended government, but they have achieved the next best thing: shutting the government down. But behind all the slogans of the Tea Party and all the thinly veiled calls for anarchy in Washington, behind all that, there’s a reality.

The American people don’t want the extremist Republican’s bizarre vision of a future without government. They don’t support it. Why? Because the American people know that without government, we would no longer be a great nation with a bright future. The American people know that government matters.

The anarchy gang is quick to malign government, but when was the last time anyone called for regulators to go easier on companies that put lead in children’s toys? Or for food inspectors to stop checking whether the meat in our grocery stores is crawling with deadly bacteria? Or for the FDA to ignore whether morning sickness drugs will cause horrible deformities in little babies? We never hear that, not from political leaders in Washington and not from the American people.

 

[benjipwns]

Life Imitates Al Gore

“I will put Medicare and Social Security in a lockbox and protect them. . . . Under my plan I will put Medicare in an iron clad lockbox. . . .. I would be interested to see if [George W. Bush] would say this evening he’ll put Medicare in a lockbox. . . . I think we need to put Medicare and Social Security in a lockbox. The governor will not put Medicare in a lockbox. . . . I will keep Social Security in a lockbox. . . . I think it should stay in a lockbox.”—Al Gore, presidential debate, Oct. 3, 2000

“Most of us don’t save enough. When governments try to encourage saving, they usually enact big policies to increase the incentives. But, in Kenya, people were given a lockable metal box—a simple place to put their money. After one year, the people with metal boxes increased savings by so much that they had 66 percent more money available to pay for health emergencies. It would have taken a giant tax reform to produce a shift in behavior that large.”—David Brooks, New York Times, Dec. 12, 2014

heh

[Human Snorenado]

Quote David Brooks, brehs