Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE (Read 2656146 times)

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9000 on:** May 13, 2015, 01:02:38 PM »

BREAKING: DEMS IN DISARRAY! Must credit Morning Joe.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #9001 on:** May 13, 2015, 02:41:31 PM »

I think people liked Ezra because of his passion for health care reform. He seemed to be 'the guy' when it came to arguing points on the internet.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #9002 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:01:34 PM »

Well, TPP is utter shit. Siding with Warren on this one.

Mandark · « **Reply #9003 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:18:29 PM »

Klein staking out a corner as a lay expert on health policy just ahead of the ACA becoming the dominant political story for a year gave him a huge leg up. Before that he was just a ~~dilettante~~ general purpose mainstream liberal blogger like Yglesias, Kevin Drum, Atrios, etc.

He's never been terribly good but the salt he elicits from crappy older pundits is great.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9004 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:20:34 PM »

I'm pretty sure he killed David Broder indirectly just by being employed by WaPo

Brehvolution · « **Reply #9005 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:58:21 PM »

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ppp-jade-helm-15-rick-perry

Quote

Primary voters who said Perry was their first choice for the GOP presidential nominee were the the biggest believers that a takeover was on its way, according to the poll. The survey found a whopping 76 percent of Perry supporters said they believed the government was trying to take over Texas, followed by 56 percent of Cruz supporters.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #9006 on:** May 13, 2015, 04:52:48 PM »

Compensation was on the table at first, but the cons

at first.

It may be in the bill that was eventually passed though.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9007 on:** May 13, 2015, 05:05:58 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 13, 2015, 04:03:59 PM

The trade thing kind of depends on whether or not you think NAFTA directly killed a lot of jobs. I started looking through the literature on that.

Note that even if there's a loss of jobs, under the Kaldor-Hicks efficiency model the trade deal could still be beneficial if we put in provisions to assist the workers who lose their jobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldor%E2%80%93Hicks_efficiency

I feel like we tend to never do the compensation part of Kaldor Hicks though.

Good luck passing any jobs training plans with this congress. Those jobs aren't coming back, and those workers won't be helped.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9008 on:** May 13, 2015, 05:30:28 PM »

50% of Chris Christie supporters don't think the feds are trying to invade Texas. That one guy, he's just not buying it.

benjipwns · « **Reply #9009 on:** May 13, 2015, 06:38:34 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #9010 on:** May 13, 2015, 06:41:03 PM »

In fairness, there's precedent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_annexation

benjipwns · « **Reply #9011 on:** May 13, 2015, 06:56:01 PM »

John Bolton is going to announce he's running tomorrow.

He must have saw Jeb staking out a position even his brother wouldn't take and thinks he can top it.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #9012 on:** May 13, 2015, 08:26:39 PM »

It's not butthurt. It's entitlement. When a network trashes him for 8 years and he calls them out on things they do, that isn't delusional. What cons should be saying is, "ya, I remember when fox said that."

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #9013 on:** May 13, 2015, 09:26:13 PM »

College Student to Jeb Bush: ‘Your Brother Created ISIS’

Oh, how I'm going to love watching this guy crash and burn once the primary season starts up in earnest.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #9014 on:** May 13, 2015, 09:38:10 PM »

I love the conservative talking point of "Don't judge Jeb by his brother! He's his own person. You have to judge him on his own merits!" then after taking a slight breath, "Of course you can't vote for Hillary. I mean, just look at what her husband did!"

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9015 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:32:48 AM »

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 13, 2015, 09:38:10 PM

I love the conservative talking point of "Don't judge Jeb by his brother! He's his own person. You have to judge him on his own merits!" then after taking a slight breath, "Of course you can't vote for Hillary. I mean, just look at what her husband did!"

So far Hillary hasn't come out and said "Knowing what we know now, I would have fucked Monica too."

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yet.

[close]

sarslip · « **Reply #9016 on:** May 14, 2015, 08:10:50 AM »

second i read the news that the Philly train was speeding, i knew republicans would spin it as the fault of one crazed madman, and not a crumbling infrastructure.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9017 on:** May 14, 2015, 08:24:36 AM »

Quote from: sarslip on May 14, 2015, 08:10:50 AM

second i read the news that the Philly train was speeding, i knew republicans would spin it as the fault of one crazed madman, and not a crumbling infrastructure.

But...isn't it because the train wasn't using safety protocols and was going too fast? And isn't the lack of safety software due to local disputes with railroad handlers?

sarslip · « **Reply #9018 on:** May 14, 2015, 09:41:55 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 08:24:36 AM

But...isn't it because the train wasn't using safety protocols and was going too fast? And isn't the lack of safety software due to local disputes with railroad handlers?

more news is coming out i guess, i had just noticed a drudge headline that referenced speed as the issue. someone just told me he slammed hard on the e-brakes too.

republicans cut 250 billion from amtrak, that isnt the issue here but it does highlight what theyre trying to do to amtrak

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9019 on:** May 14, 2015, 12:53:53 PM »

Base your main allegations for a book published in 2015 on a press release that was proven to be fake in 2013, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/peter-schweizer-clinton-cash-factual-errors

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9020 on:** May 14, 2015, 12:59:31 PM »

Schweizer's crash and burn is both spectacular and predictable.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9021 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:07:52 PM »

Speaking of Clinton you all need to follow Jennifer Rubin on twitter. Her pure hatred of Obama/Cinton is something to behold. Plus her election predictions/poll skewing is always entertaining. Loyal to the end, I expect her to go down with the ship well into late October 2016 when it's clear Hillary will win. Her Romney optimism was amazing, and let's not forget her nonstop articles about how Gabriel Gomez was totally going to win Kerry's seat in MA.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9022 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:09:52 PM »

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Monday

"Knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion?" Fox News host Megyn Kelly asked Bush in a sit-down interview.

"I would have," Bush said.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Tuesday

"I interpreted the question wrong, I guess."

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Wednesday

"If we are going to get into hypotheticals, I think it does a lot of disservice for a lot of people who sacrificed a lot," Bush said, according to Chalian's tweets.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Thursday

"I would have not engaged. I would not have gone into Iraq," Bush said.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9023 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:18:27 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9024 on:** May 14, 2015, 03:30:55 PM »

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on May 14, 2015, 03:10:08 PM

I hope you get to finish your Soloman Grundy-esque coverage of Jeb Bush, GR.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Friday

I am a failure as a human being, just as the war in Iraq was a failure. I do not deserve to live and my life is worthy of only the most hateful scorn and derision. I know now that I must fight my brother to the death in order to gain even the most meager redemption.

studyguy · « **Reply #9025 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:20:52 PM »

Shit, you'd think we'd be entering armageddon by the way some Christians responded to that story that dropped a couple days ago about 92% of all people in the US are no longer religiously affiliated.

The 188%, the oppressed majority.
They're a dying breed brehs, pretty soon it'll only be the 687%

Mandark · « **Reply #9026 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM »

math

studyguy · « **Reply #9027 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:46:27 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

math

Don't worry I double checked it on the edit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

22% no affilation // 78% majority etc etc
:'(

[close]

Steve Contra · « **Reply #9028 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:11:11 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

math

That's the kind of math that'll make pundits take studyguy seriously come 2016

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9029 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:29:37 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2015, 05:11:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM
math
That's the kind of math that'll make pundits take studyguy seriously come 2016

(Image removed from quote.)

Are we sure this isn't just a dog whistle to Rush stans?

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #9030 on:** May 14, 2015, 10:23:09 PM »

Yo Jeb Bush is a fucking idiot

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #9031 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM »

I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9032 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:14:04 AM »

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM

I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Have you seen the other guys?

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #9033 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:28:54 AM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2015, 11:14:04 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM
I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Have you seen the other guys?

Yeah, but I can see why the republicans like them.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9034 on:** May 15, 2015, 12:00:05 PM »

Mitti Romney has to be shaking his head somewhere. He let this guy strong arm him out of running? smh

benjipwns · « **Reply #9035 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:17:01 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #9036 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:26:32 PM »

John Bolton's announcement was a faaaaaaake, but in return we get George Pataki on May 28th and Rick Perry on June 4th.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9037 on:** May 16, 2015, 12:31:58 AM »

George Pataki was great as Sulu, I'd vote for him.

benjipwns · « **Reply #9038 on:** May 16, 2015, 01:19:25 AM »

PD, Perry had his back surgery in late July, he was still wearing a back brace and couldn't turn his torso fully until like the end of the year. The only reason he got in the race was because of his poll and cash lead, he should have always punted to after he left office.

Perry in the Texas governor debates is a pretty different debater, more cocky and aggressive. He, like most of the 2012 candidates, didn't do much prep before jumping in. And with those ten thousand debates..."Oops!" was just a notable response.

The key question is...will he get Dean Cain's endorsement again?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9039 on:** May 16, 2015, 12:03:52 PM »

when are you ubanned, benji-san? I can't do this on my own.

Mandark · « **Reply #9040 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:04:13 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 01:25:31 PM

Typically I'd be in favor of not allowing food stamps to be used to purchase junk food

nope

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9041 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:06:40 PM »

Someone in favor of eugenics wants to restrict what can be bought with food stamps? Please, tell me more.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #9042 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:38:32 PM »

So it seems like it might be Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton for 2016. ROFL. I wonder if the voter turnout will even crack 50% for this upcoming election.

Mandark · « **Reply #9043 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:45:38 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

No sodas, coco puffs or whatever. Basic common sense parameters to go with the current ban on alcohol and tobacco purchases.

Remember a couple pages ago when Kara was talking about "conservatism with a human face" and "Victorian notions of charity?" That's what you're doing right now.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9044 on:** May 16, 2015, 03:48:20 PM »

I think he just hates freedom.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9045 on:** May 16, 2015, 04:09:46 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 03:06:40 PM

Someone in favor of eugenics wants to restrict what can be bought with food stamps? Please, tell me more.

Shouldn't we be commending Walrus? He has compromised and moved to the center right.

Mandark · « **Reply #9046 on:** May 16, 2015, 04:17:27 PM »

It's true. What could be more responsible than using someone's own poverty as leverage ~~against them~~ to change their behaviors for the better?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9047 on:** May 16, 2015, 04:30:50 PM »

I'm already on record as kind of agreeing with you on this Walrus, but let's be real: this bill has nothing to do with helping people eat more healthy. It has everything to do with punishing and stigmatizing poor people. The list of banned foods is ludicrous. Potatoes? Really?

And the same people who want to pretend like this is all about cutting costs wouldn't dare cut corn syrup subsidies.

Broseidon · « **Reply #9048 on:** May 16, 2015, 05:19:32 PM »

"... a ridiculously inadequate mode of partial restitution, or a sentimental dole, usually accompanied by some impertinent attempt on the part of the sentimentalist to tyrannise over their private lives."

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9049 on:** May 16, 2015, 05:22:41 PM »

Let poor people buy their Cocoa Poofs and Mountain Lightning if they want to, I mean geez they're already living in poverty.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #9050 on:** May 16, 2015, 06:06:23 PM »

Republicans, they hate government regulation*.

*unless you run an abortion clinic, want an abortion yourself, buy/sell legal weed, want the same legal protections as your straight married friends, want to teach evolution/climate change to your students, are poor, work for a hated govt agency (IRS, NPR), want to make voting easier...

but they hate the shit out of government regulation, that's for darn sure.

Rufus · « **Reply #9051 on:** May 16, 2015, 06:22:12 PM »

Do you even get enough money to grow fat, given a fast food only diet?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9052 on:** May 16, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »

Champion of the common man, brehs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/politics/clintons-reportedly-earned-30-million-in-the-last-16-months.html?_r=0

Earn $30 million giving speeches to Goldman Sachs executives, etc, then run as the only hope of the middle class, brehs

Rufus · « **Reply #9053 on:** May 16, 2015, 06:53:24 PM »

Depends on what she's saying, no? If it's stuff that is pleasing to gigantic financial institutions, then it might be suspect regardless of compensation.

benjipwns · « **Reply #9054 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:28:40 PM »

An administration tight with Goldman Sachs and other powers in Wall Street, what could go wrong?

Quote from: Wisconsin

Under this bill, DHS must require that not less than 67 percent of the SNAP
benefits used by a recipient in a month be used to purchase any of the following foods:
foods that are on the list of foods authorized for the federal special supplemental
nutrition program for women, infants, and children (WIC foods); beef; pork; chicken;
fish; fresh produce; and fresh, frozen, and canned white potatoes. In addition, DHS
must prohibit using SNAP benefits for the purchase of crab, lobster, shrimp, or any
other shellfish.

I read "women, infants, and children" as part of the list of foods that were allowed at first.

Rufus · « **Reply #9055 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:34:36 PM »

No sea-cockroach for you!

benjipwns · « **Reply #9056 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:43:33 PM »

~~Martin O'Malley~~ Thomas Carcetti is going to announce for President on May 30th.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9057 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:09:11 PM »

Dude bought $140 worth of steak and lobster, then sold it all for about $70. Yeah, he's really living the high life.

benjipwns · « **Reply #9058 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:18:55 PM »

60% of laws are because of lobbyists, 35% of laws are because of "I heard this guy who did this thing/we need to do something, this is something" and 5% of laws are legislators who can't figure out their e-mail.

benjipwns · « **Reply #9059 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:19:56 PM »

More important thing here is that the guy bought 5 24 packs of Mountain Dew.

News:

Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE (Read 2656146 times)