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And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”
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US did the same to the british :yeshrug

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US did the same to the british :yeshrug

China does what American't.
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If subsidies were never meant to go to states that didn't set up their own exchanges, why did no states that didn't set up their own exchanges have their subsidies withheld?
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Stories about modern Woodward are interesting, especially from Bernstein. Especially stuff about his sources for his books. And the way he creates dialogue. (Though I suppose not as awesome as Robert Reich's.)

The Agenda is a really fascinating book (along with The Brethren and The Choice, the former and latter being often ignored) but you can tell it comes from like six sources, half of whom were seemingly working on one piece of the budget.

Though I suppose Halprein and some of the other new kids on the block are similar. The Romney people really wanted that Christie stuff in Double Down. (Which was the worst title...)

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And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”
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The guys running the sweatshops maybe.
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And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418841/carly-fiorina-great-communicator-joel-gehrke
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A Republican activist approached Carly Fiorina after her speech at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Saturday not just to pledge her support, but also to say that she hopes her daughter grows up to be like the longshot presidential candidate.

“My little girl is such a firecracker,” Marcela White, a native Romanian who immigrated to the United States following the collapse of the Soviet Union, says following the exchange. “She is not afraid to say what’s on her mind, she is really bold — I was really shy as a child — and Ms. Fiorina would be such a great model for my little girl.”

Fiorina’s ability to inspire such admiration speaks to her potential as a foil to Hillary Clinton. After losing badly in her only previous bid for public office, Fiorina has emerged as a master of one of the oldest political arts: the stump speech. She’s also developed a knack for turning even provocative reporters’ questions to her advantage. She will lean heavily on those newfound skills while campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early states that tend to determine if a would-be contender surges into the top tier or falls by the wayside.

The former Hewlett-Packard CEO traces her polish on the stump to an apparently unlikely source: a class she took as a student at Stanford University in which the professor required her to read one book of medieval philosophy every week and distill it into a two-page paper.

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http://theweek.com/articles/556667/bernie-sanders-totally-legitimate-presidential-candidate-time-press-started-treating-like

I think there's going to be more stories by the press telling the press to treat Bernie Sanders as a legitimate candidate as actual stories doing it.

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And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418841/carly-fiorina-great-communicator-joel-gehrke
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A Republican activist approached Carly Fiorina after her speech at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Saturday not just to pledge her support, but also to say that she hopes her daughter grows up to be like the longshot presidential candidate.

“My little girl is such a firecracker,” Marcela White, a native Romanian who immigrated to the United States following the collapse of the Soviet Union, says following the exchange. “She is not afraid to say what’s on her mind, she is really bold — I was really shy as a child — and Ms. Fiorina would be such a great model for my little girl.”

Fiorina’s ability to inspire such admiration speaks to her potential as a foil to Hillary Clinton. After losing badly in her only previous bid for public office, Fiorina has emerged as a master of one of the oldest political arts: the stump speech. She’s also developed a knack for turning even provocative reporters’ questions to her advantage. She will lean heavily on those newfound skills while campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early states that tend to determine if a would-be contender surges into the top tier or falls by the wayside.

The former Hewlett-Packard CEO traces her polish on the stump to an apparently unlikely source: a class she took as a student at Stanford University in which the professor required her to read one book of medieval philosophy every week and distill it into a two-page paper.

She's 2016's Sarah Palin, but with less political experience.
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I do kinda wonder how she got sold on the Presidential campaign idea, her hook she's running on is basically that she's a female Mitt Romney, only you know, without either the business or political success.

Maybe she'll fail her way up to the Presidency too.

I like her logo though:

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"I'm not sure why metro Atlanta's several million citizens only get 1 congressional district and the citizens of Buttfuck, GA deserve the other 14, but hey the Supreme Court said it's cool."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/us/supreme-court-to-weigh-meaning-of-one-person-one-vote.html?_r=0
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Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
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Rap song dedicated to Ted Cruz:

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Ted Cruz is a fan of thug music confirmed.
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'We are Watchmen'

yeah, I know, Cruz has Rorschach's platform but ya don't got to make so obvious.

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That "one man, one vote" case is actually kinda interesting, at least based on the links/quotes Meta posted in PoliGAF. Especially the part from the ACLU about counting prison populations. So you could theoretically have a district where the population is felony inmates plus the prison employees and their families.

I wonder if Cameron, Missouri could be in one. Maybe it already is.

Had to have a sensible chuckle at all the people who didn't grasp the difference between the U.S. Senate and state senates or that Congress isn't the only thing redistricted. Also reminded me how much GAF hates hypotheticals being used to suss out opinions unless they for some reason involve cars.

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Heh, Cameron, Missouri is actually split in two for state house districts, the prison isn't in the same district as the town.

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'We are Watchmen'

yeah, I know, Cruz has Rorschach's platform but ya don't got to make so obvious.
That assumes he can read enough to know who Rorshach is beyond some guy who keeps drawing paintings of a black guy having sex with him.
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Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
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our lord and savior Donald Trump has scheduled a special announcement on June 16h.

good times are coming.

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Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
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our lord and savior Donald Trump has scheduled a special announcement on June 16h.

good times are coming.
Dare I hope?
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Nope, not going to happen. Running for president is actual grind work, something that Trump (like Palin) isn't interested in doing. It would also ruin his quite successful gag/spin that he would "of course" win the primaries and general election if he entered the race. If he actually ran and got embarrassed it would hurt his brand.
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Nope, not going to happen. Running for president is actual grind work, something that Trump (like Palin) isn't interested in doing. It would also ruin his quite successful gag/spin that he would "of course" win the primaries and general election if he entered the race. If he actually ran and got embarrassed it would hurt his brand.
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Dennis Hastert was indicted today.

Apparently the indictment specifically notes that the person he was paying off had known him for "most of their life" and that Hastert used to work as a teacher and coach.

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keep the faith Puppy.


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Somebody should bump the TRUMP 2016 OT I made on GAF for me.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243350-trump-stokes-2016-talk-schedules-major-announcement
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Donald Trump will make a “major announcement” on June 16 at New York City’s Trump Tower before heading to New Hampshire the next day, according to WMUR-9 in New Hampshire.

The schedule adds to the speculation Trump will run for the White House in 2016 after flirting with a bid in 2012.

The mogul has taken a number of steps that suggest he’s more interested about being a candidate in this cycle. He launched an exploratory committee in March, hired staff in important primary states and told WMUR he's “very much inclined” to join the increasingly crowded Republican primary.

The outspoken billionaire and television star has repeatedly castigated his potential GOP rivals for being retreads and weak candidates, and has accused multiple candidates of stealing the phrase “Make America Great Again.”

That prompted him to trademark the phrase
, despite the fact that it has been a popular slogan with GOP candidates since Ronald Reagan’s campaign.

Trump has also bashed President Obama for not doing enough to protect America and root out the terrorist threat. He told Fox News’s Greta van Susteren Wednesday on “On the Record” that he has a “foolproof” plan to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, but declined to elaborate.

“If I run and if I win, I don’t want the enemy to know what I am doing,” he said. "Unfortunately, I will probably have to tell at some point but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”
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Sen. Bernie Sanders' Essay: Women 'Fantasize About Being Raped'

In a 1972 essay, presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) opined that men fantasized about women being abused.  He also claimed that women fantasized about being gang raped. 

In an article entitled "Men-And-Women," published in an alternative newspaper called the "Vermont Freeman" Sanders shared his thoughts on male and female sexuality in ways that would cause a media firestorm if it had been penned by any current GOP candidate.  Even one with as little chance at grabbing his party's nomination as Sanders currently has.

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy," wrote Sanders. "A woman on her knees.  A woman tied up.  A woman abused."

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In terms of his understanding of female sexual fantasies, Sanders provided similar insight.

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man--as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously."

It is unclear where Sanders acquired his early expertise  on male and female sexual desires.

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In 1971 Sanders launched his first bid for Senate in the first of four losing campaigns for US Senate and governor.  And it appears his platform hasn't changed much since then.

Sanders advocated ending the war in Vietnam,  a guaranteed minimum wage, tougher corporate regulations, and legalizing all drugs. Some other radical proposals endorsed by Sanders included an end to compulsory education and the widening of interstate highways to allow cars to more easily pull over to pick up hitchhikers.

Looks like Sanders' campaign is probably over.

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Uh. No I don't.
Uh. No women don't.
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If there's one thing that Game of Thrones has taught me, it's that into every life a little rape must fall.
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*eagerly types dailykos into url bar*

I don't see anything
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Here's the full text of his essay, if you're curious to see it:



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The man is bitter.

"You lied to me," he said. (She did.)

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The man was kind of jerk, though, so he probably deserved it.
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A man goes home and masturbates...
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That's some embarrassing shit, but lolz at the MRCTV's summary.

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If Lena Dunham has showed me anything is it's that if you're enough of a liberal icon you can write almost anything and be just fine.
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"Men and women - both are losers"

-Bernie Sanders
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And he said, "You're full of ______."

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"Gender roles were a mistake, they're nothing but trash."

Bernadine Sanders
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This seems like a good and sustainable trend:


http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8679889/minimum-wage-housing-map
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There is no state in the union where a full-time, minimum-wage worker can afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment for less than 30 percent of his paycheck (which is a standard measure of housing affordability).

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Someday love will find you
Break those chains that bind you
One night will remind you
How we touched
And went our separate ways
If he ever hurts you
True love won't desert you
You know I still love you
Though we touched
And went our separate ways

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Sanders was past 30 when he wrote this, so I don't think he can really use "youth" as an excuse.

But the general point seems to be that traditional gender roles needed to be ditched, and that process was creating mistrust, confusion, and resentment.  Which, ya know, isn't actually wrong.

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Sanders was past 30 when he wrote this, so I don't think he can really use "youth" as an excuse.

But the general point seems to be that traditional gender roles needed to be ditched, and that process was creating mistrust, confusion, and resentment.  Which, ya know, isn't actually wrong.
Yeah, but saying that people that believe in traditional gender roles fantasize about raping and being raped, yeah, not so OK.
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Did you actually read the thing?

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That's why you don't rely on annotations from RapGenius, Ronito.
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I have shame  :-\
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It's not really much in the scheme of things, especially being from 1972, more of a historical oddity and goofy. Not as bad as say the Ron Paul Newsletters even if Sanders actually wrote this.

The oddest thing though is that this isn't the only Sanders centered stuff in the conservative/Republican media, they're spending way too much outsized time on painting him as a SOCIALIST...when he openly admits he is.

Example: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418926/bernie-sanderss-dark-age-economics-kevin-d-williamson
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Bernie Sanders, the Brooklyn socialist who represents Vermont in the Senate, generated a great deal of mirth on Tuesday when he wondered aloud how it is that a society with 23 kinds of deodorant and 18 kinds of sneakers has hungry children. Setting aside the fact that we must have hundreds of kinds of deodorant and thousands of choices of sneakers, Senator Sanders here communicates a double falsehood: The first falsehood is that the proliferation of choices in consumer goods is correlated with poverty, among children or anybody else, which is flatly at odds with practically all modern human experience. The reality is precisely the opposite: Poverty is worst where consumers have the fewest choices, e.g., in North Korea, the old Soviet Union, the socialist paradise that is modern Venezuela, etc. The second falsehood is that choice in consumer goods represents the loss of resources that might have gone to some other end — that if we had only one kind of sneaker, then there would be more food available for hungry children.

Lest you suspect that I am distorting the senator’s words, here they are:

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You can’t just continue growth for the sake of growth in a world in which we are struggling with climate change and all kinds of environmental problems. All right? You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country. I don’t think the media appreciates the kind of stress that ordinary Americans are working on.

This is a very old and thoroughly discredited idea, one that dates back to Karl Marx and to the anti-capitalists who preceded him.

From my standard random sampling of Savage/Levin/etc. they all did extended segments on Sanders this week. ("THIS MAN IS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT." Savage at least should know of Stewart Alexander.) Rush was Clinton focused in the hour he got from me. Only gave Hannity a few minutes and he was harping on the 90% tax comment.

The 90% tax thing is really amusing considering how his argument (and whoever the guest guy was) was just "things were different back then" instead of pointing out that, you know, nobody actually paid 90% of their income because that tax code looked like swiss cheese. Just like the mega rich don't pay 39% or whatever it is now.

Levin only took a break tonight to defend Dennis Hastert as innocent for some reason.  :lol

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Not as bad as say the Ron Paul Newsletters even if Sanders actually wrote this.

They are not anywhere in the same universe.

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They are not anywhere in the same universe.
Untrue, the newsletters wanted to rename NYC to Rapetown. Clearly both Paul and Sanders anticipated a key plotline of Escape from New York and its accurate future under the de Blasio administration.

And where is the Clinton Foundation located? New York City.

I rest my case.

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To me, this is how it feels most of the time when you're doing your Deflect With Humor bit:

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Deflect from what? :lol

And Liz's plan worked didn't it?!?

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Oh man, I bet Bernie Sanders isn't going to win now. :'(
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Oh man, I bet Bernie Sanders isn't going to win now. :'(
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Also, I'd expect the conservative media to give Sanders a lot of coverage.  It's the same reason we keep seeing stories about fringe politicians in state legislatures proposing bills that will never make it out of committee, what Ben Carson said recently, etc.  It's basically the same reason you said you like to read and repost comment section crap.

Sanders is going to say a lot more blunt/"extreme" things than Hillary, and people like to feel better about themselves through the contempt of others pathologize those they disagree with politically have a laff use less-filtered comments as a way of seeing the id of a political movement, which is still lurking behind the thinking of its more respectable and moderate figureheads.

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Also, I'd expect the conservative media to give Sanders a lot of coverage.  It's the same reason we keep seeing stories about fringe politicians in state legislatures proposing bills that will never make it out of committee, what Ben Carson said recently, etc.  It's basically the same reason you said you like to read and repost comment section crap.

Sanders is going to say a lot more blunt/"extreme" things than Hillary, and people like to feel better about themselves through the contempt of others pathologize those they disagree with politically have a laff use less-filtered comments as a way of seeing the id of a political movement, which is still lurking behind the thinking of its more respectable and moderate figureheads.
If they were smart they'd ignore him, and by so doing make him look like a fringe, irrelevant, lunatic. Don't waste time on him when you could be spending it on Hillary. Why kill Sanders when Hillary will just do it for you? That's a dumb thing to do.

So of course they're going to give him a lot of coverage.
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They don't need to marginalize Sanders.  He won't be president either way.  To the extent that it's strategic, they want to tie him as tightly to Hillary and the Democratic party as they can.  But really I don't think it's any sort of coordinated long game, it's just outrage cycle clickbait aimed at a right wing audience.

If I'm blogging on FoxNews.com or breitbart, I'm crossing my fingers for at least eight more months of "can you believe what Bernie Sanders just said!?"

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But the TPM style stuff:


And anything Ben Carson says (he is a "frontrunner for the nomination!" after all since everyone is within five points of each other) is usually tied into some larger narrative about the Republican Party or conservative movement as a whole like you note.

I haven't really seen too much trying to tie Sanders's comments to Hillary, there's an odd acknowledged wall of separation between, with the Clinton criticism more "they're corrupt" instead of "they're Marxists" which only gets a tiny bit of play, Hillary even being seen as "better" than Obama on this or that.

It seems like socialist says socialist things would be more something you as a GOP pundit ignore unless you're going to tie it to the Democrats. And to dig through old articles of this nature by a guy who's been around forever? It seems like an odd scandal to try and gin up. When things like Stephanopoulosghazi are still out there floating around yet: Politics: Rick Santorum announces doomed presidential bid in interview with pretend journalist

At least you would wait until Sanders became a "serious" candidate. Or maybe they're drinking the kool-aid and are actually trying to prop him up by pointing to all the "great" things he's saying so as to cause discord among the hard-left pro-Soviet-illegals Democrat Party.