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[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't know. I think you could tie Sanders to Hillary but only for a little while. Even GOP voters will see that Hillary is not even close to Sanders after a few weeks.

[benjipwns]

To use humor to deflect more, I just think they should be covering this terrible ad and amazing mustache instead of not even trying with Sanders:

[jakefromstatefarm]

the old Soviet Union

I really wish corporate would bring this one back. This new, rebranded one just doesn't have the same feel to it

[Phoenix Dark]

Couldn't they also replay the 2007/2008 playbook of kinda sorta helping hype Hillary's opposition as a means of prolonging the primary/hurting her? Obviously there isn't an Obama type candidate in this election but for instance Drudge has been giving O'Malley moderately positive press over the last few weeks.

And lots of shirtless pics


I'd imagine they love to give Sanders a platform to say "crazy" stuff, the same way a more liberal place would do so with Ben Carson. And if any of this hurts the likely nominee, the more potent the platform becomes. Of course the problem being that Bernie Sanders isn't a threat to Hillary in any way - even her moving left to flank him doesn't hurt her. Whereas Jeb Bush/Scott Walker/Marco Rubio being pulled right by Ted Cruz clearly hurts them.

[benjipwns]

I really wish corporate would bring this one back. This new, rebranded one just doesn't have the same feel to it

I heard they took Stalin out of the formula. That's why it tastes different now, and the Kazakhstan stuff tastes more like it used to.

[Joe Molotov]

What if Bernie Sander's rapey 1972 essay was written to distract us from Jade Helm, preventing Fox News from reporting on the HAARP-powered storms that are battering Texas?

[Mandark]

benji, do you think that Walker quote wasn't awful?

I don't know. I think you could tie Sanders to Hillary but only for a little while. Even GOP voters will see that Hillary is not even close to Sanders after a few weeks.

Maybe, but after over six years of him actually being president, lots of Republicans still believed Obama was plotting a military takeover of Texas.  At some point your audience is sustained just by the Crazification Factor, if nothing else.

[Phoenix Dark]

What if Bernie Sander's rapey 1972 essay was written to distract us from Jade Helm, preventing Fox News from reporting on the HAARP-powered storms that are battering Texas?

It certainly is suspicious that the article is listed as appearing in "mid February 1972." Why no specific date? Are these coincidences just happenstance, and is any of this connected to the Community Reinvestment Act? Hopefully Brietbart.com looks into this.

[benjipwns]

benji, do you think that Walker quote wasn't awful?

Not really, I think the context is worse than that statement which anecdotally seems true if Facebook/Twitter/Instagram is any indication. And I think he uses it well to in his overall explanation of why he thinks seeing ultrasounds would cut down on abortions, which is his goal being anti-abortion after all.

I mean, he's admitting it's an emotional ploy, not just "providing more information" which is the rest of his claim as to the benefits of the law.

[Mandark]

Well, you can listen to the quote, and the question which it was a response to here.

Personally I find it blandly horrific.

[benjipwns]

It certainly is suspicious that the article is listed as appearing in "mid February 1972." Why no specific date? Are these coincidences just happenstance, and is any of this connected to the Community Reinvestment Act? Hopefully Brietbart.com looks into this.

Bernie Sanders left office as Mayor of Burlington in April 1989, the CRA was first extensively amendeded in the summer of 1989. Bernie Sanders joined the House in 1991, three bills were passed (1, 2, 3) in his first term alone that made changes to CRA requirements.

In 1991, Pat Robertson released his book entitled The New World Order.

World Order is a Japanese band formed by MMA fighter Genki Sudo. will.i.am ripped off their videos for #thatPOWER.

#thatPOWER features Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber is Canadian. Part of the New World Order's plot involves a North American Union. One of their key plans was the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Rick Perry supported the Trans-Texas Corridor, Kay Bailey Hutchison attacked him in the 2010 Texas Gubernatorial primaries over this. She lost but the Texas legislature passed a bill killing the project. KBH was elected Treasurer of Texas in 1991.

She was succeeded in the Senate by Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz is also running for President. He has attacked Hillary Clinton repeatedly, but called Bernie Sanders' candidacy "honest" and "healthy."

[benjipwns]

Well, you can listen to the quote, and the question which it was a response to here.

Personally I find it blandly horrific.

Bland is a good descriptor, more than anything in terms of anti-abortion statements and it's more of an odd aside he goes down that somewhat gives up the game than anything like Todd Akin or Ron Paul's newsletters.

[Mandark]

Yeah, the bland part is the tone, which is way milder than most grist for the outrage mill.  The horrific part is the actual content and the context, and how he blithely equates mandatory ultrasounds with voluntary ones.  Leaving out a woman's consent so completely and so easily is pretty fucking gross.

[benjipwns]

At this point I'm basically numb to anti-abortionists ignoring any kind of consent from a woman so it somewhat just sails by.

The one positive is that from what I can tell the Wisconsin law does not require those penetrative ultrasounds merely the external type. So at least there's that. I'd like to see a candidate (Santorum?) attack Walker for "giving in to the abortion happy left" due to that.

[AdmiralViscen]

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

[Great Rumbler]

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

[brob]

[Brehvolution]

The freedom of being a murderous shithead.
So glad jaydub's view of what America should be has no way of ever coming true.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

One-note socialists gotta one-note. 

How about fuck all that, and we don't try to bribe folks not to be murderous shitheads?

But we're already giving corporations tons of tax breaks!

[Human Snorenado]

For some reason I just donated $50 to Planned Parenthood, along with a note that says "pleas only use this for abortions." Not sure why though.

[Human Snorenado]

One of us could afford $50 for The Witcher 3, and it wasn't you

[Human Snorenado]

Civitas is a "good cause" now?

[I'm a Puppy!]

Think of it this way JayDub.
The babies that are getting aborted would likely have been filthy poors that require welfare and steal from the sweat of your brow so they can live.
These people are just saving you from having to hate additional people and protect your property. A privatized business would do no different. And who are you to go against the free market?

[Human Snorenado]

Think of it this way JayDub.

He's incapable of that word- no need to when you have beliefs, dontchaknow.

[Mandark]

Nope, it's not "mandatory."

Semantics are the dumbest wormhole in the Internet Argument Quadrant, but I'll let myself get sucked in here.  Shit can absolutely be "mandatory" when it applies only to a subset of the population, including when that subset is defined by some voluntary choice.  Mandatory dress codes, mandatory car insurance, mandatory pet registration, blah blah blah.

You can make up your own set of moral universal constants*, but you can't go around making up meanings of words unsupported by either the dictionary definition or popular usage.  C'mon.

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[Human Snorenado]

Sorry, Mandark. They're not mandatory because they're not.

[Phoenix Dark]

Three things are certain in life. Death, taxes, and internet forum veterans arguing with Jay Dubya about abortion.

[Kara]

All medical procedures are voluntary but for the ones performed while we are incapacitated and we voluntarily allow that to happen by not carrying durable powers of attorney on our person at all times. Ergo making some voluntary procedures more onerous than others is discrimination.

Playing ball by someone else's rules.

[Human Snorenado]

Three things are certain in life. Death, taxes, and internet forum veterans arguing with Jay Dubya about abortion.

I think we've moved past "arguing" and are just "mocking" now.

[Mandark]

Have I told the story of JayDubya opposing DC residents getting Congressional representation?  It's a good one.

[Human Snorenado]

Have I told the story of JayDubya opposing DC residents getting Congressional representation?  It's a good one.

Oooh. No, please do go on.

[Mandark]

So, we'd expect JD to be outraged by US citizens not having representation in Congress, cause Natural Rights.

Instead he was just weirded out that the population was so high, like the idea of people living in the city was some huge mistake.

It's really awesome that the OP's argument and indeed, the standard one it seems, is to say by default that anyone not wanting D.C. (the place that's constitutionally supposed to be a city directly run by congress) to become it's own state is doing so because zOMG they hate teh black people.

It's not even supposed to have a local government.

...

Congratulations D.C., you've crammed a lot of people into a tiny area! Still doesn't change the constitution, though.

I'm sure there's a more tactful way to ask such a question, so I'll try, because I'm honestly just curious and I couldn't find any good info online.

Why do so many people live in the city when the city is just supposed to be the seat of government and run directly by the Legislative? Why is the population so insanely dense, and why is it overwhelmingly African American? I honestly don't know the background story here, but I have some suspicions.

I read somewhere that for a good long while there was a pretty large slave trade in the city, maybe that has something to do with it?

Maybe the problem is that the city itself is too large, because the government has grown absurdly large?

There really shouldn't be any residential areas there, though. The whole thing is just strange to me. I assumed most people commuted from wherever they lived until learning just how absurdly dense the population is.

Perhaps one valid solution would be to consider the local citizenry as citizens of Maryland or citizens of Virginia for purposes of voting for Legislative representation. That would be superior to the current situation, but would take quite a bit of wrangling.

As for your question, Mandark? I really, really don't like the idea of the Athenian style city state, especially insofar as it pertains to making our capital into a modern version. O_o

[jakefromstatefarm]

I like to imagine that prescriptivists just don't acknowledge the existence of human communication before the invention of the dictionary

[Mandark]

meanings of words unsupported by either the dictionary definition or popular usage.

It's like I included this just to head off that particular rhetorical detour, and he powered right through anyways.  Watcha gonna do.

[Mandark]

The capitol is not a state.

Of course not.  A capitol is a building.  Please stop bastardizing our language.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Capital idea!

[Great Rumbler]

Also, all those dumb Puerto Ricans should move to real America if they want actual representation. What, they think that just because they're American citizens living in American territory that we're supposed to be impressed by that? Losers!

[Kara]

The origins of Washington's demographics are pretty well documented. Antebellum it was one of the few places freed slaves could reside legally. Postbellum it was one of the few places where apartheid wasn't a de facto or de jure reality. It's basically a monument to our nation's legal and extrajudicial violent racism.

[Kara]

Wyoming is a national park with a governor.

[Human Snorenado]

Wyoming is a national park with a governor.

And, of course, just as many US Senators as Texas, New York, or California.

ZOMG THE FOUNDERS WERE SO SMART

[benjipwns]

And, of course, just as many US Senators as Texas, New York, or California.

ZOMG THE FOUNDERS WERE SO SMART

They already explained this in their pro-Constitution pamphlets. You should have written an opposing series of them under a pseudonym if you didn't like it.

If the law required flying to Saturn and back by flapping one's arms, it would still be voluntary and wholly elective to start flapping. 

The state imposing unachievable conditions on any resolution of a dispute between third parties...or really any activity...is effectively a ban.

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

If we allow birth control to be over the counter, we'll have an epidemic of teenage pregnancies because we as a society are saying that teenage sex is allowed.

[Kara]

Just read that NY Mag article GS posted. I had no idea that SCOTUS had gone from hearing dictionary.com arguments to fanfiction.net arguments. Ruinous powers bless this laughable hole.

[AdmiralViscen]

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

One-note socialists gotta one-note. 

How about fuck all that, and we don't try to bribe folks not to be murderous shitheads?

Nice multi-note response

[Great Rumbler]

So, some more information has come out about what's going on with Denny Hastert and the basics of it are that he liked to diddle high school boys back in the day:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/dennis-hastert-sexual-misconduct-report

Well, I'd like to say that I'm surprised by that, but it's really difficult to muster up that kind of response. Of note: Hastert was Speaker during, and caught flack for his slow response to, Rep. Foley doing essentially the same thing, except with Congressional pages.

And to tie the bow on it, WaPo brings the history lesson:

If I understand the history correctly, in the late 1990s, the President was impeached for lying about a sexual affair by a House of Representatives led by a man who was also then hiding a sexual affair, who was supposed to be replaced by another Congressman who stepped down when forced to reveal that he too was having a sexual affair, which led to the election of a new Speaker of the House who now has been indicted for lying about payments covering up his sexual contact with a boy.

 

[benjipwns]

Typical hypocritical lieberal move, out there constantly undermining marriage and the family (as outlined in the Communist Manifesto) and pushing the idea that it's alright to be gay then turning around and complaining when the consequences of those attacks happens.

Ginning up a fake scandal where they accuse the GOP of committing a "crime" that they constantly demand be legal and forced upon pizza places and bakeries.

All to distract from the exposure of Bernie Sanders' libertarian comments in favor of legalizing rape and slavery.

Of course, there's a lot of moving parts to this whole thing as Dennis Hastert was a big pusher of NAFTA.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Think of it this way JayDub.
The babies that are getting aborted would likely have been filthy poors that require welfare and steal from the sweat of your brow so they can live.
These people are just saving you from having to hate additional people and protect your property. A privatized business would do no different. And who are you to go against the free market?

If that's the concern, why not just wait until they become filthy poor parasites before we slaughter them en masse?  That'd be a bit more humane since at least you wouldn't kill someone who would turn out to be someone worthwhile by mistake.

 

But no poors are ever worthwhile. They're just parasites. Ticks on the ass of society.

[I'm a Puppy!]

No they don't.

[Great Rumbler]

So we're pretending here that when a leftist says "access" he doesn't just mean the taxpayers just buying a product or service for someone?

But we know full well that even when it's through private insurance paid for by the woman with her own money, that Republicans still want to be able to refuse it on the basis of "religious freedom."

[Human Snorenado]

Fortunately, adoption DOES sound like a panacea to all of these issues. It's not like there's already an existing foster system of unwanted children living in shitty conditions across the country or anything.

[Rufus]

The true enemy is wanton fornication.

[benjipwns]

So we're pretending here that when a leftist says "access" he doesn't just mean the taxpayers just buying a product or service for someone?

Well, sure, but I think Rumbler's statement was broad enough that things we can all agree on like fewer hurdles to currently restricted drugs in general can fit in there.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Fortunately, adoption DOES sound like a panacea to all of these issues. It's not like there's already an existing foster system of unwanted children living in shitty conditions across the country or anything.

Yeah, you're right, Triumph - we should just kill all those little fuckers - it's for their own good.

Kill them. Starve them due to not being able to buy food or watch them slowly wither away because no healthcare. The only difference is timing. Be efficient. That's the free market way

[Kara]

I feel like filthy poor isn't being used ironically itt atm. Can you at least hide behind atypical words like guttersnipe?

[benjipwns]

Why are we even talking about the poor, filthy or not? They're poor! They probably don't even own their own mutual fund.

[benjipwns]

I mean, it's not like they're going to be allowed to vote or anything.

[benjipwns]

But look at the ROI the taxpayers get. You cut abortions, and you decrease the number of future welfare parasites. It's a no-brainer.

Hey, those future welfare parasites need to pay for my Social Security and Medicare. They owe me!

[Mandark]

benj, do you even read what you write anymore?

At least half your posts read like you're role-playing as a fired up Jack McCoy, barking at Adam Schiff that no, we won't give this scumbag a plea bargain.

[benjipwns]

wat

[Mandark]

Tell me they don't.

[Kara]

benj, do you even read what you write anymore?

At least half your posts read like you're role-playing as a fired up Jack McCoy, barking at Adam Schiff that no, we won't give this scumbag a plea bargain.

Imo he's slipped to Michael Moriarty being drunk on set.