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I'm sure he's not advocating limiting the amount of money that rationally motivated self interested individuals can spend on 1st amendment protected political speech to sway elections when he talks about restoring electoral integrity.

Worship the free market to the exclusion of all else, brehs

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He really should of stayed in that position.  He was like the Proto-Nate Silver amongst forum nerds who followed politics.  Now that he's moved up the latter he's revealed himself to be about as brain dead as Wolf Blitzer when it comes to anything but numbers.

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Yep, that's our Chuck "It's not the job of the press to correct lies" Todd.
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30 more minutes until Walrus dies of cardiac arrest. IE Supreme Court decisions coming at 10AM EST.
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30 more minutes until Walrus dies of cardiac arrest. IE Supreme Court decisions coming at 10AM EST.

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No decision on King v Burwell today. :goty
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Walrus lives!
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anyone listening to the Maron podcast with Obama?
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its a great interview so far
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It's downloaded. I just have to sync my ipod when I get back from lunch.
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We need to stop this politics of division. Shame on you, Ben Carson. I expected more.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-charleston-shooter-racist
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http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/obamas-race-war-has-real-consequences/
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Yet how can we ignore the climate of violence that is sharpening conflicts instead of soothing them? How can we ignore a simple truth: Barack Obama and Eric Holder created much of this atmosphere of anger, bitterness and bile with their disdain of whites and not too transparent belief and actions that we must now pay what are in effect reparations to the black community, even though this generation does not practice or advocate slavery. Obama, Holder and their enablers, like Al Sharpton, have become what they accused President George W. Bush of being: a recruiting tool for terrorists thanks to his invasion of Iraq. Obama and company’s biased actions against whites, Christians and Jews have ironically served to draw neo-Nazis and sick Klansman out of their caves and have emboldened them to try to justify criminal acts – people like Dylann Roof. Indeed, Roof was quoted as saying that he struck because blacks had “taken over the country.”

To fundamentally transform America, Obama, Holder and their fellow travelers have been implementing Saul Alinsky’s and Frank Marshall Davis’ teachings. They have been inciting one group against another group, race against race and class against class.

President Abraham Lincoln warned that “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” He was specifically talking about race, a nation half slave and half free. Historically, outside conquerors have ruled over large countries by keeping groups fighting against each other and throwing salt in the wounds of local grievances. To tear down traditional America, socialists and progressives must tear at old wounds.

But this is not a faculty lounge exercise. Obama’s race war, implemented in large part by the likes of Eric Holder, has real-world consequences. Real people get hurt and trampled as collateral damage in the progressive enterprise.

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Historically, outside conquerors have ruled over large countries by keeping groups fighting against each other and throwing salt in the wounds of local grievances.

Did Donald Rumsfeld write this Op-Ed?
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WALRUS ARE YOU OK? PLEASE SAY SOMETHING ABSURD ABOUT HARRY REID OR IGNORANT ABOUT LEBRON TO LET US KNOW YOU'RE OK

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/andrea-tantaros-confederate-flag-charleston

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“You know what baffles the mind?” Tantaros said. “This isn't a Republican flag. Historically this was the flag of southern Democrats, remember that, fact?”

“I find this flag offensive,” Tantaros continued. “This flag represents the fight in slavery and it was a flag that the southern Democrats — Democrats — used to fly against Northern Republicans so I’m not sure why Republicans are getting peppered over this.”

...possibly because so many Republican controlled state legislatures demand that it continue to be flown on state property? JUST SPITBALLING HERE, YOU IGNORANT TWAT.
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Canonically, the GOP is a 150-year-old political party dedicated to civil rights.

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Roberts had his chance to kill the ACA before it was implemented and he didn't, why would he reverse course now for a much weaker argument?
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COLUMBIA, SC—Shooing away protesters from the brown, debris-covered lawn, state lawmakers reportedly refused Monday to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina’s Capitol Trailer. “Go on, git!” said shirtless South Carolina state representative Jeff Duncan, who sources confirmed tossed an empty 40-ounce bottle of Colt 45 at a group of demonstrators while reclining in a battered, dirt-caked plastic kiddie pool. “Y’all quit messing with our capitol trailer. You ain’t never gonna see this flag come down, you hear? Now, get on outta here unless you wanna get real well acquainted with my shotgun.” At press time, a two-thirds majority of South Carolina state legislators had reportedly passed out amongst the rusted washing machine and a sink on the grass in front of the state’s double-wide trailer.
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The impression I have of nuclear power is massive cost overruns -> we've got a new design, this time it will be different -> it's not different -> please understand.

Also: Never talk about uranium scarcity or the resources/energy required to build waste storage facilities that have to last 100k years.
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Nuclear power works well if you can afford it and have a system to reclaim wasted power during non peak hours as the plants always operate at their mist efficient due to it being more costly to change the rate of power production for a few hours. One option is to pump water uphill at night into reservoirs for hydroelectric dams as Austria supposedly does when they buy French energy during non peak hours (they hate nuclear).

But it's not an option for the developing world where we have the expanding middle class and migration of the manufacturing/agriculture industry. Solar has the potential to get a lot cheaper but it still takes a lot of land and other capital costs, I did see acres of solar panels on farms in Spain back 2009 so it may make financial sense which is really the only thing that matters when you're talking about kilowatt hours.

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Wasn't the CCC the group that Trent Lott was addressing when he made those comments about how Strom Thurmond should've been president?

If it's now widely accepted to be a fringe, pariah organization, that has to be a fairly recent development.

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But liberals are the real racists.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not giving anyone dap for suddenly deciding the Confederate Flag isn't cool. It shouldn't have taken 9 dead black people in 2015 to come to that realization.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not giving anyone dap for suddenly deciding the Confederate Flag isn't cool. It shouldn't have taken 9 dead black people in 2015 to come to that realization.

So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?

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So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?
That's how these race baiters operate, if racism didn't exist they'd have to invent it.

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So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?
That's how these race baiters operate, if racism didn't exist they'd have to invent it.
Barack Obama traveling back in time to derail the racial harmony that developed after MLK was assassinated so he could one day split the country on racial and become president and destroy the country and create USSR 2.0 is a pretty good script idea.  2 parts Back to the Future, 1 part Inception, 1 part Remember the Titans, 1 part that Dinesh d'Souza movie is how we'll pitch it.
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The impression I have of nuclear power is massive cost overruns -> we've got a new design, this time it will be different -> it's not different -> please understand.

Also: Never talk about uranium scarcity or the resources/energy required to build waste storage facilities that have to last 100k years.

Not to deny that those are factors but scarcity and waste is a problem for every source of energy. Coal for instance generates mercury and arsenic (the latter being very durable) and even solar panel and wind turbine  need metals and chemicals to be build. Overall nuclear power footprint does not put that much stress with its efficiency, and the scarcity of the fuel (and waste generation) may be alleviated by advances in reactor technology (long talked of, so not as imminent as engineers would like to believe, but possibly within our reach nonetheless). However, I agree nuclear power is not a magical solution that can be applied across the board. It is still our current best shot for mass production of energy which is not something that will be going away anytime soon.
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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2939435/government-it/us-navy-paid-millions-to-stay-on-windows-xp.html
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The U.S. Navy is paying Microsoft millions of dollars to keep up to 100,000 computers afloat because it has yet to transition away from Windows XP.

The Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command, which runs the Navy's communications and information networks, signed a $9.1 million contract earlier this month for continued access to security patches for Windows XP, Office 2003, Exchange 2003 and Windows Server 2003.

The entire contract could be worth up to $30.8 million and extend into 2017.

The first three of those products have been deemed obsolete by Microsoft, and Windows Server 2003 will reach its end of life on July 14. As a result, Microsoft has stopped issuing free security updates but will continue to do so on a paid basis for customers like the Navy that are still using those products.

The Navy began a transition away from XP in 2013, but as of May it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.

"The Navy relies on a number of legacy applications and programs that are reliant on legacy Windows products," said Steven Davis, a spokesman for the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command in San Diego. "Until those applications and programs are modernized or phased out, this continuity of services is required to maintain operational effectiveness."

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"A plan for migrating to current and supported capabilities has been developed and is being executed," Davis said.

Continuing to use the obsolete systems without the Microsoft contract would be risky.

"Without this continued support, vulnerabilities to these systems will be discovered, with no patches to protect the systems," the Navy document says. "The resulting deterioration will make the U.S. Navy more susceptible to intrusion ... and could lead to loss of data integrity, network performance and the inability to meet mission readiness of critical networks."

The Navy isn't alone in still relying on Windows XP. Approximately 10 percent of desktop PCs accessing websites using the StatCounter traffic reporting service during the current month were running Windows XP, giving it a market share just above that of Apple's OS X. Data from Net Applications puts XP's current share at just over 14 percent.
But what about the things still running in COBOL?

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Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee:
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He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

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“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

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Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee:
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He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

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“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

holy shit.
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More empty rhetoric from a huckster. No one is forcing anyone to get gay married so it's not even close to forcing liberals to go to church.
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Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee:
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He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

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“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

holy shit.

Grifters gotta grift, breh.
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No one is forcing anyone to get gay married
Yet.

After Hillary packs the Court though...

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No one is forcing anyone to get gay married
Yet.

After Hillary packs the Court though...

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It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.


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PD, come get your boy Huckabee

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It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.
Doesn't that apply to everyone running for president on the GOP side except for Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Kasich? Maybe throw Rand Paul in there too. Everybody else is just running for a Fox News contract or to increase their speaking fees.

Jindal is announcing today....
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It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.
Doesn't that apply to everyone running for president on the GOP side except for Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Kasich? Maybe throw Rand Paul in there too. Everybody else is just running for a Fox News contract or to increase their speaking fees.

Jindal is announcing today....

The Donald Trump is a serious, for real candidate PD, how could you ever doubt that?
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Jindal now. All we can hope for is Palin and the clown car will be complete.
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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp

This is just, I know business-as-usual, but it's so utterly flagrant and filthy.


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BREAKING: Obamacare subsidies survive by a Supreme Court ruling of 6-3.

WALRUS LIVES ANOTHER DAY
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Actually I'm sorta surprised on the ACA ruling. I was sure that they'd just steamroll it. So that's good.

Also, the hearing gave us this gem:

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"But Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. raised the possibility that the court could find for the challengers and delay the impact of its ruling until the first of the year. That would give the states and Congress time to fix any problems, he said.

Verrilli said it would be “completely unrealistic” to think that states could adjust in six months.

Justice Antonin Scalia said Congress could fix the problem, and would not sit by idly if there were a crisis.

“Well, this Congress, your honor, I … I …” Verrilli said."
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From the majority opinion: "Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them."

No fucking duh
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LeBron lost, King lost...all of Walrus' enemies are falling. The universe will balance this out when the Lakers draft Kaminsky tonight.
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Apparently they could have ruled in a way which left the subsidies up to executive branch rule-making, but didn't.  Which means a Republican president won't be able to yank the subsidies away (and current GOP candidates won't have to promise to do that) without getting a bill through Congress.

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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp

This is just, I know business-as-usual, but it's so utterly flagrant and filthy.

20K is all it takes to buy a senator these days? SMH this economy.

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Has anyone trolled Shinobi's husbando at GAF with excerpts from the majority decision yet?

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Has anyone trolled Shinobi's husbando at GAF with excerpts from the majority decision yet?

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169787462&postcount=8497
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Michael Cannon, ladies and gentlemen

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Today the Supreme Court allowed itself to be intimidated. Afraid that ObamaCare as written would throw the sickest patients out of their health plans a second time, the Court rewrote ObamaCare to save it—again. In doing so, the Court has sent a dangerous message to future administrations: If you are going to violate the law, make sure you go big.

The Court today validated President Obama’s massive power grab, allowing him to tax, borrow, and spend $700 billion that no Congress ever authorized. This establishes a precedent that could let any president modify, amend, or suspend any enacted law at his or her whim.

ObamaCare will continue to disrupt coverage for sick Americans until Congress repeals it and replaces it with reforms that make health care better, more affordable, and more secure. Despite today’s ruling, ObamaCare remains unpopular with the American public and the battle to set in place a health care system that works for all Americans is far from over.
http://www.cato.org/blog/supreme-court-validates-obamas-power-grab

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