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[Mandark]

It's really unsurprising that they'd charge fees to cover S&H costs, even when there's regulations against making a profit.  Locks of Love will charge something (though considerably less than market value) for their wigs in cases where the family can afford it, for example.

Not that it matters.  This story is going to live forever in chain e-mail Heaven.

[Kara]

I want to live in a for-profit PP world. I want cigarette company style advertising campaigns targeting at teens to get them hooked on addictive abortions for the rest of their lives. I want science about the efficacy of birth control methods quashed by paying off doctors.

[Mandark]

Edit old film noirs so that the femme fatales are always having stylish abortions.

[Kara]

http://support.californiadriversalliance.org/

[Brehvolution]

[Brehvolution]

Good morning to you as well. 

[Phoenix Dark]

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Ah, that old bit of ass-backwards "reasoning."

Please do let me know when you see me or any anti-abortion folks say it's okay to hire someone to kill hobos in aggression, and then you might have a point rather than being a fucking idiot.

What if the hobos are Palestinians?

[Shadow Mod]

I didn't realize ending a pregnancy was an act of aggression.

 

Plenty of anti-abortionists will stalk, harass, hack and even blow shit up though.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah I got my head wedged firmly up in my narrow pelvis. What possible reason could I have to not continue a pregnancy. You're a riot.

[Kara]

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Ah, that old bit of ass-backwards "reasoning."

Please do let me know when you see me or any anti-abortion folks say it's okay to hire someone to kill hobos in aggression, and then you might have a point rather than being a fucking idiot.

Like police officers?

[Shadow Mod]

As if I havent been doing that going on over a decade and theyre 100 percent foolproof. You argue like a petulant child.

[brawndolicious]

I can't really believe that abstinence is a choice (and that's the only perfect birth control). I'm convinced that unless you're stuck on an island or forced to because of cultural reasons or mental illness, you're going to try to fuck somebody every now and then.

[Shadow Mod]

By my calculations I've already murdered about 180 potential humans.

[CatsCatsCats]

From 2008-2011 I performed thousands of acts of genocide by preventing human development during sexual intercourse. All those lives blocked by latex, all those futures dashed upon the backs of would be mothers. I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. I even had partners callously swallow lives up, and I thanked them. How could I have been so wrong?

[Shadow Mod]

From 2008-2011 I performed thousands of acts of genocide by preventing human development during sexual intercourse. All those lives blocked by latex, all those futures dashed upon the backs of would be mothers. I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. I even had partners callously swallow lives up, and I thanked them. How could I have been so wrong?

You're stealing my clout here 

[CatsCatsCats]

Sorry, no one kills like a white male

[Shadow Mod]

Anyway it's nice (read:  ) to have the thread infused with the typical anti-abortionist rhetoric which is either couched in completely arbitrary cherry picking or just plain patronizing, pretending to have any idea of each individual woman's personal history, biology, knowledge and choices regarding her own reproductive destiny.

Pretty sure I have a better idea of what I need and want surrounding my reproductive abilities than some random assclown on the internet, not that it's any of his fucking business anyway. But that's really the point isn't it? My kind doesn't deserve an expansion of freedom and rights because <put your dubious anti-abortion rhetoric here>.

[Shadow Mod]

Blah blah abortion is murder blah blah.

 

[Mandark]

Always amusing to see folks who ostensibly passed 5th grade yet don't know the difference between organisms and gametes.

Nice to see someone treating their own 5th grade level understanding of biology as morally proscriptive for other people.

[Shadow Mod]

Always amusing to see folks who ostensibly passed 5th grade yet don't know the difference between organisms and gametes.

Nice to see someone treating their own 5th grade level understanding of biology as morally proscriptive for other people.

Like I said, that arbitrary cherry picking...

[CatsCatsCats]

So JD do you support robust social services to guarantee these organisms a life or, just you know, not death? Murdered in the womb, wrong -- starving in the streets okay?

[Shadow Mod]

It is also worth noting that they are justifying their amoral position on the basis of their ignorance of scientific fact.

This is always so rich.

What fact? The subjective point at which something is a human that has a right to life?

[CatsCatsCats]

So because it's not aggression it's okay to support a system that creates unwanted babies who will suffer and die in a dumpster? Because hey, we're not ACTIVELY killing, just setting up a system where their life will go unsupported?

[Mandark]

He means the roughly agreed-upon definition of "organism" which isn't even a fact so much as a concept.  From there he makes a leap to a moral right to life, but if you ask him to show his work he tends to get rather huffy about it.

Let's talk about the Iran deal instead.  I'm pretty psyched about it.

[Shadow Mod]

Well I just killed a bunch of organisms walking up the stairs so...

[Shadow Mod]

No, dumbass, you just compared every time you menstruated with killing someone else.  This means you don't understand even the basics of how sexually reproducing organisms work.

 

[Sman]

What was Jaydubya banned from GAF for? I just can not imagine any possible reason.

[CatsCatsCats]

Your argument of non-aggression seems short sighted to me. In my view it's highly irresponsible to create a situation in which more unwanted children are carried to term without any means for them to be cared for, and that morally it creates more human suffering than terminating a life before it suffers and strains the resources of society, statistically having a higher chance of turning to a life crime and creating even more suffering.

[Shadow Mod]

Your argument of non-aggression seems short sighted to me. In my view it's highly irresponsible to create a situation in which more unwanted children are carried to term without any means for them to be cared for, and that morally it creates more human suffering than terminating a life before it suffers and strains the resources of society, statistically having a higher chance of turning to a life crime and creating even more suffering.

Never mind the whole forcing women to endure a pregnancy part. That's not imposing suffering against the will of another or anything.

[Himu]

*sits down and munches popcorn*

[Himu]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

[CatsCatsCats]

Ugh, every time I earnestly engage this guy the responses stop, when do I learn?

[Phoenix Dark]

[Shadow Mod]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

Because a lot of people can't accept their own life choices as enough, they consistently have to justify them by shitting on others or worse, making options and rights unavailable to them.

[Mandark]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

[Shadow Mod]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

I can't tell you how many times I've run into people against abortion but okay with IvF.

[studyguy]

Fox just announced their lineup for the debate on Aug 6th.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/04/fox-news-announces-candidate-line-up-for-prime-time-debate/

Real estate magnate Donald Trump; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee; retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson; Texas Sen. Ted Cruz; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie; and Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

I can't fucking wait to see this shit
 

Analysts have warned that Trump, whose bomb-throwing persona has seemingly fueled his climb, stands to lose traction if he can't command the stage.

Steve Deace, who hosts a conservative radio talk show in the Hawkeye State, said: "His entire campaign is based on him being a blunt instrument" and if he holds back, "that would be the death knell for him."

Don't listen to them Trump! Do you 

[Shadow Mod]

That line-up.

 

[studyguy]

We got Jeb, Rand telling women/PP to fuck off, Christie trying to fuck everyone smoking up and teachers in the ass, Cruz doing his best to be human  , Huckabee telling scientists about global warming to fuck off, and golden boy trump.

The rest 

The race to the bottom is real and there can only be one  winner


Oh and Perry, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, Jim Gilmore and George Pataki are not invited/dead in the water.
 

[Shadow Mod]

Serious question, is there a GOP candidate running (or anywhere) that's an actual social libertarian (a gov out of bedrooms type not a stupid internet one) and a fiscal conservative?

[Broseidon]

The Democratic Party?

[Shadow Mod]

The Democratic Party?

Dems aren't fiscally conservative.

[Himu]

Love seeing the Republican party get food all over its pajamas before it shits the bed. Roll over and die so we can make way for an actual Left party and the Dems can be the new Right like they should be.

[Great Rumbler]

Analysts have warned that Trump, whose bomb-throwing persona has seemingly fueled his climb, stands to lose traction if he can't command the stage.

Steve Deace, who hosts a conservative radio talk show in the Hawkeye State, said: "His entire campaign is based on him being a blunt instrument" and if he holds back, "that would be the death knell for him."

Don't listen to them Trump! Do you 

I really don't see Trump toning it down for the debate, considering that he's been operating at 110% for basically his entire public life.

[Joe Molotov]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

[Himu]

So they prefer natural contraceptives aka pulling out?

are women who can't get pregnant considered as well?

the people want to know.

[Joe Molotov]

So they prefer natural contraceptives aka pulling out?

are women who can't get pregnant considered as well?

the people want to know.

Pulling out in a sin in the eyes of the Lord (see: Onan), only the Rhythm Method is papally approved (see: Humanae vitae).

Also, barren woman are probably cursed by God.

[Himu]

pulling out is damned, but they said "unnatural" contraceptives on that image.

Of course, the best contraceptive is abstinence.

[Joe Molotov]

pulling out is damned, but they said "unnatural" contraceptives on that image.

Of course, the best contraceptive is abstinence.

Abstinence is the only 100% effective form of birth control and the only the only Sex Ed curriculum 100% effective at getting approved by your local school board.

[Himu]

Do not take the advice of the men in this video, kids. Don't "wrap it up tight". Just don't have sex. Problem solved.

[Kara]

Even in Catholic school health class our teachers called the rhythm method "Vatican roulette".

[Joe Molotov]

Even in Catholic school health class our teachers called the rhythm method "Vatican roulette".

In my Freshman World History class in college, our prof was an old German lady that spent class time talking about the rhythm method and Catherine the Great having sex with horses. That was probably the most useful class I took.

[Joe Molotov]

I have a different view than my brother. My dad is probably the most perfect man alive. So it’s very hard for me to be critical of him. In fact, I got a t-shirt that says, uh, at the Jeb swag store, that says, I’m the, uh, I’m the, uh, ‘My dad’s the greatest man alive. If you don’t like it, I’ll take you outside.’

The Jeb Swag Store sounds like an amazing place!

At the Jeb Bush campaign web site, there’s no link to the store. The store, at this point, only offers generic “JEB” paraphernalia.

Oh.

[Brehvolution]

That line-up.

 

Guiness just announced the GOP will break the world record for most clowns on a stage at the same time.

[Great Rumbler]

North Carolina is not one of the states where the U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" is taking place this summer. Nevertheless, three men from Gaston County were charged with conspiring to arm themselves with illegal explosive devices to combat what they saw as a potential military takeover, according to court documents unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Charlotte.

The documents alleged Walter Eugene Litteral, 50, Christopher James Barker, 42, and Christopher Todd Campbell, 30, stockpiled weapons and discussed how to build homemade explosive devices. Litteral also allegedly tried to purchase a firearm for Barker, who is a convicted felon.

A tipster first contacted the FBI in June after becoming concerned that Litteral and Campbell were "preparing to use lethal force against United States government forces in order to defend against the imposition of martial law or other infringements on their rights," according to an affidavit. The affidavit noted that the two men had discussed their belief that "Jade Helm 15" was actually a cover for the implementation of martial law with the tipster.

 

[studyguy]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

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...That's Ceberus from FFXI. Is that an actual poster from one of those kinds of people. wut

[Joe Molotov]

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

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...That's Ceberus from FFXI. Is that an actual poster from one of those kinds of people. wut

Yes, it's from MLK's niece's thing.

[Steve Contra]

Senior officials for the Super PAC supporting Rand Paul's presidential bid were indicted on federal charges of conspiracy and falsifying campaign records, the Justice Department said Wednesday.

[Great Rumbler]

This is an actual item from the Jeb Swag Store:

[Joe Molotov]

3 weeks?! Jeb's campaign might be over by then!