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brawndolicious · « **Reply #10200 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:19:26 AM »

I have to admit I'm a little scared of him. Like 2004 flashbacks. That was the first time I realized a lot of people disagree with me.

Kara · « **Reply #10201 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:32:11 AM »

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Puerto Rico defaulted on a $58 million bond payment on Monday, a risky move that seemed to intensify the pressure on creditors for broader debt renegotiation, but might also make future borrowing far more difficult.

Unlike the Greek sovereign debt, many of Puerto Rico’s bonds have ended up in the hands of Main Street investors on the United States mainland, people who invested in mutual funds without checking to see what was in the funds’ portfolios. Mutual funds bought them because when first issued they had investment-grade ratings and paid above-average yields.

While Puerto Rico made some other bond payments that were due on Monday, attention in the financial markets was focused on the decision to skip the $58 million in payments due on about 20 so-called moral obligation bonds. Those bonds were issued by a subsidiary of the Government Development Bank for a variety of projects — including school construction and the creation of landfills.

The government bank initially financed the projects, then refinanced them through its subsidiary, the Public Finance Corporation. By tapping the municipal bond market in that way, the bank removed the liabilities from its own balance sheet.

Although this particular type of bond does not carry with it a legal requirement for repayment in the absence of a budget appropriation, market experts said Puerto Rico’s decision not to pay amounted to a default and left them perplexed about the strategy of paying some bonds while letting others lapse.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #10202 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:59:33 AM »

I haven't a clue why so many people are surprised at the misogyny, the fuck did you expect?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #10203 on:** August 07, 2015, 02:09:41 AM »

Think about it... he's the perfect candidate. Treats women like property and starts insane wars in the desert. Boom.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #10204 on:** August 07, 2015, 02:12:36 AM »

Got a rapist, a self-hating woman, self-hating minorities and a bunch of people who are all too happy to ensure that women suffer.

The fuck is wrong with people.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10205 on:** August 07, 2015, 09:10:10 AM »

One of the best things about Trump jumping into the election is how thoroughly it has deflated Ted Cruz's campaign.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #10206 on:** August 07, 2015, 10:17:07 AM »

I watched bit's and pieces but Trump exposes most of the rest of the field as petty hucksters. He can think on his feet and can carry a conversation while the rest only have their canned, memorized talking points.

I bet Calgary Cruz's dad thinks God will condemn Trump for making his boy look stupid.

is the face of stupid.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10207 on:** August 07, 2015, 10:18:29 AM »

I'm glad I didn't watch that shit. Do people really want Trump as President? wtf

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10208 on:** August 07, 2015, 10:45:15 AM »

"You're having a hard time tonight"

Amazing

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10209 on:** August 07, 2015, 10:58:10 AM »

First debate in a nutshell:

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Foxbots to Trump: Are you not a fraud, a cretin and a scoundrel.

Trump: I'm very rich. Fuck yourself. I have no time for your nonsense.

Crowd: Cheers wildly.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #10210 on:** August 07, 2015, 11:16:53 AM »

Taking Luntz to the woodshed

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10211 on:** August 07, 2015, 11:24:58 AM »

Fox is starting to get desperate, I think. The Trump experiment was fun for a while, but now it's starting to become a problem. They'd really like to bump him out of the top 10 in favor of Carly Fiorina. But launching attacks like this against him will probably only harden his own resolve and play directly into his narrative as being the one guy who can shake things up in the establishment. In other words, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10212 on:** August 07, 2015, 11:27:57 AM »

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/todd-courser-cindy-gamra-michigan

Secret audio recordings made public Friday by the Detroit News revealed a tea party lawmaker in Michigan tried to fake a gay sex scandal with a male prostitute in order to cover up his affair with a married, female tea party state lawmaker.

The newspaper reported that state Rep. Todd Courser (R) asked an aide to send an anonymous email to GOP activists alleging that Courser had been spotted having sex with a male prostitute "behind a Lansing night club."

The ruse was reportedly designed to create false accusations that were so over the top Courser's affair with fellow freshman lawmaker Rep. Cindy Gamrat (R) would seem "mild by comparison," according to the paper.

studyguy · « **Reply #10213 on:** August 07, 2015, 11:35:46 AM »

You can't stump the trump.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

At work this morning and the old ass white dudes are gassed up about Trump in a completely non ironic way. They're talking up how he presented the truth about money being the real driver for political motivations and how he could put any of the people on the stage in his pocket with enough of it. Also Huckabee being right about our army being too soft these days.

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Himu · « **Reply #10214 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:16:19 PM »

Why does Fox want to distance itself from Trump? He is their own creation. All the fear tactics, all the racism and misogyny, this is what they created. Why shy away from the extremism they helped birth?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10215 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:19:53 PM »

What ya gonna do when Trumpmania runs wild on you?

Himu · « **Reply #10216 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM »

Hard to empathize

Out of all of those candidates, I can't imagine any of them being actual candidates beyond possibly Chris Christie or Rubio.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10217 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:30:43 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM

Chris Christie

Himu · « **Reply #10218 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:37:45 PM »

Heard an idea he's actual a dem trojan horse and doing this to destroy the republican party

Himu · « **Reply #10219 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:39:00 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
Chris Christie

He did good last night. Did you see the way he flipped that surveillance issue back into 9/11 wah wah? Dude pimped that audience and old cacs with that patriotism shit like a pro.

studyguy · « **Reply #10220 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:16:18 PM »

I have to hand it to him, dude was swinging. Hugging Hillary brehs, might as well hugged the devil

Actually did anyone NOT take a shot at another candidate on that stage? Fox alone was getting verbally slapped by Carson and Trump.

VomKriege · « **Reply #10221 on:** August 08, 2015, 05:53:35 AM »

Be all high horse while promoting show over substance, brehs
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-john-kasich-won-813657

Brehvolution · « **Reply #10222 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:12:05 PM »

Seeing Erickson getting eviscerated for uninviting Trump is just the beginning. I've seen it said elsewhere that making disparaging remarks against a women doesn't hurt you in conservative politics. The gop elite don't like Trump because, unlike the rest of the field, they can't control him or his narrative. He is not their puppet. It's going to be interesting to see how much fox has Trump on now. Fox created this train and now it's trying to knock it off the tracks.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10223 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:27:31 PM »

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“The guy (Erick Erickson) who made the decision about RedState called Supreme Court Justice David Souter a ‘goat [expletive] child molester’ and First Lady Michelle Obama a ‘Marxist Harpy,'” Trump said. “He was forced to make a humbling apology. Also, not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event.”

He's not wrong.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10224 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:30:24 PM »

CNN

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Breaking News
Donald Trump's top political adviser, Roger Stone, is out. The campaign says it fired him; other reports say Stone quit.

can he last until January?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10225 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:33:16 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10226 on:** August 08, 2015, 03:49:29 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2015, 03:30:24 PM

CNN
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Breaking News
Donald Trump's top political adviser, Roger Stone, is out. The campaign says it fired him; other reports say Stone quit.

can he last until January?

Yes, because Roger Stone has already been replaced by the top political mind of our time: Donald Trump.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #10227 on:** August 08, 2015, 05:29:53 PM »

Fox News really hates Donald Trump, which probably endears him to the GOP base (I think people are getting tired of traditional media in general, including Fox News). I'm guessing his tweet about the Koch brothers is what did it. If Trump wasn't around, you could tell that everyone was coalescing around Jeb, which is a dumb idea because a Bush can't get elected again until George Prescott Bush makes his attempt a decade from now.

Deep down, I don't think Donald Trump wants the nomination, is surprised at the reactions he's getting, and is just rolling with it.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #10228 on:** August 08, 2015, 07:33:39 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on August 08, 2015, 05:52:44 PM

I'm really hoping the Megyn Kelly thing doesn't sink his campaign. The next round of polls will be critical.

Fox wants it to but other republicans say just as shitty things about women.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #10229 on:** August 08, 2015, 08:18:48 PM »

"Mr. Trump, do you hate Women, Minorities, and POWs?"

Yes, and I'm a shitty businessman too!
*thunderous applause*

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #10230 on:** August 08, 2015, 10:44:54 PM »

Trump vs. Fox is pretty much the best gift yet to come out of this slow motion car wreck that is the 2016 GOP campaign. Guys, Fox News could lose out on this (does a happy dance).

This is like all those shitty/awesome action movies where some disgraced/haunted/highly deadly operative is released from confinement in order to combat a greater threat.

Quote from: a bunker, deep inside of the Jade Helm planning room

"Damnnit, I know we can't trust him, and he's dangerous, very dangerous! But we've tried everything else and he just might be able to finally loosen some of Fox's stranglehold on Republican politics."

"But sir, what he if that crazy bastard actually does it? He wins the nomination and after reducing the party and their media apparatus to smoking ruin, he'll come after us. What then?"

"Don't worry, we've outfitted him with a kill-switch in case the impossible does in fact occur."

"That being?"

"The demographic impossibility of him winning the presidency."

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10231 on:** August 08, 2015, 10:47:37 PM »

Trump is basically Hulk. He's incredibly powerful and can do a huge amount of damage to the opposition if pointed in the right direction, but invariably he loses control and starts tearing things up at random.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10232 on:** August 08, 2015, 10:55:17 PM »

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Stone: “Donald, stop with the Megyn Kelly shit. It’s fucking crazy. It’s killing us.”

Trump: “What do you mean? I won the debate. People loved it.”

Stone: “You didn’t win the debate.”

Trump: “Yes I did. Look at the polling. Look at Drudge.”

Stone: “The Drudge Report poll isn’t a scientific poll. You won’t give me the money to pay for a scientific poll. And you’re off-message.”

Trump: “There are other polls.”

Stone: “Those are bullshit polls, Donald. They’re not scientific polls. We need to run a professional campaign and talk about what people really care about.”

Trump: “We’re winning.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/sources-roger-stone-quit-wasnt-fired-by-donald-trump-in-campaign-shakeup-121177.html#ixzz3iHakGym5

ffffuuuu

Kara · « **Reply #10233 on:** August 08, 2015, 11:00:27 PM »

Half this country doesn't vote with any regularity, I wouldn't count on demographic faits accomplis when a populist who conspicuously clowns the GOP's Doctrinaire 3000 machine is on the scene.

Like I said awhile back, I have awful flashbacks to the

years rn and he was at least tempered by California's morass of a lawmaking process instead of the fucking lunatics we have in Washington.

Himu · « **Reply #10234 on:** August 08, 2015, 11:02:34 PM »

Or, he's doing this all on purpose.

At this moment there are multiple routes he could possibly be taking:

1. He's a democrat Trojan horse and is destroying the GOP *and* Fox News from within by forcing conservatives to rally to his cause and ultimately make them look bad, while having GOP and FOX shuffle to try and tell the people the candidate THEY want which guarantees Republicans will not win the presidency. Taint the food source and people won't come.

2. He's just doing whatever and is going to one up one crazy statement after crazy statement because it gets him more attention and he has no idea what he's doing.

3. He's not Hulk, he's Loki, and really is not tied to any actual partisan platform (I.e. Not a dem Trojan horse, but not an actual republican either) and is doing whatever, for the pure chaos of it, willingly, to make a joke of the presidential elections because HE CAN.

4. This is his actual 100% attempt at actually running running for president.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #10235 on:** August 08, 2015, 11:05:19 PM »

if putting Trump on the ticket doesn't drive out the Dem vote like Jaws to people from Amity named Brody then I'll eat my hat.

and then start seriously figuring out my escape plan for when America becomes a fully owned subsidiary of some nefarious multi-national. My best case scenario for President Trump is that he speeds up the adoption of a cyberpunk present.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10236 on:** August 08, 2015, 11:16:23 PM »

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 08, 2015, 11:05:19 PM

My best case scenario for President Trump is that he speeds up the adoption of a cyberpunk present.

Nah dude, we're definitely going full-on Mad Max.

"WHO KILLED THE WORLD??"

Oblivion · « **Reply #10237 on:** August 09, 2015, 12:07:33 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 09:10:10 AM

One of the best things about Trump jumping into the election is how thoroughly it has deflated Ted Cruz's campaign.

THIS.

I definitely thought the biggest loser of the night was Cruz. Dude came off looking helpless and desperate. He tried his hardest to ooze out all the bile he could possibly muster to attack Obama, and it all fell flat. The base that fell in love with him left him for a younger, sexier (read: older, and douchier) candidate.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10238 on:** August 09, 2015, 12:10:17 AM »

Republicans couldn't support a Latino-Canadian stealing all our good American jobs, like talking bad about immigrants.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #10239 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:53:15 AM »

I'm scared of him, I've never seen a Ross Perot since my pubes existed. But I had all my pubes when Bush got reelected so I'm more worried about the "what if?" scenarios than rejoicing about how likely it is for him to fail.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #10240 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:12:13 PM »

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/630395030235140097

LOL

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Post-Debate Poll (NBC)
Trump 23%
Cruz 13%
Carson 11%
Fiorina 8%
Rubio 8%
Bush 7%
Walker 7%

LOL
Koch Bros. am cry

Himu · « **Reply #10241 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:13:45 PM »

How is Cruz 13%?

He did clearly the WORST.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #10242 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:18:58 PM »

Rand did the worst imo. Cruz said some idiotic things but was full of the bile that the GOP base craves. Also he's been very warm to Trump since he began his run.

Basically what I'm saying is Trump/Cruz 2016.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10243 on:** August 09, 2015, 01:51:52 PM »

I assumed Cruz would suffer simply because he didn't have much time to speak.

Still betting on Walker being the nominee. I could see Walker, Cruz, and Rubio lasting the longest.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #10244 on:** August 09, 2015, 03:34:52 PM »

How the fuck does Ben Carson have 11%

Himu · « **Reply #10245 on:** August 09, 2015, 03:37:40 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on August 09, 2015, 03:34:52 PM

How the fuck does Ben Carson have 11%

White people love it when a black person says "let's talk move beyond race" because it helps them solidify their convictions and biases as they smile, agreeing,"See? This one gets it."

Himu · « **Reply #10246 on:** August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM »

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #10247 on:** August 09, 2015, 04:47:27 PM »

I dunno why people think Trump is some kind of unique individual. He's able to speak absolute shit at everybody because he can buy his own campaign. Any one of us would basically have to kowtow to corporate sponsorship and not say how we really feel.

Kara · « **Reply #10248 on:** August 09, 2015, 04:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Denazification in West Germany (and unified Germany after that) was a joke.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #10249 on:** August 09, 2015, 04:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Eh anti-semitism in Europe was and still is a huge problem. Plus you have the rise of holocaust denial. I wouldn't be so quick to shit on America vis-a-vis Europe. They got their own problems like anti-roma sentiments, anti-semitism as i mentioned and a whole heaping bowl of bullshit thanks to colonialism.

VomKriege · « **Reply #10250 on:** August 09, 2015, 06:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 09, 2015, 04:47:27 PM

I dunno why people think Trump is some kind of unique individual. He's able to speak absolute shit at everybody because he can buy his own campaign. Any one of us would basically have to kowtow to corporate sponsorship and not say how we really feel.

Well you answered your own question there : He can buy his campaign and that makes him pretty unique.
Too bad this liberty of tone is used to peddle low brow xenophobic and sexist drivel.

Sausage · « **Reply #10251 on:** August 09, 2015, 08:00:48 PM »

Cruz did bad on Thursday? I was always under the impression that he was a master debator.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #10252 on:** August 09, 2015, 09:49:59 PM »

I am pretty sure this election campaign is being run by spambots

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10253 on:** August 10, 2015, 08:20:01 AM »

Quote from: Sausage on August 09, 2015, 08:00:48 PM

Cruz did bad on Thursday? I was always under the impression that he was a master debator.

He didn't do bad, he didn't get much time to make his case due to the Trump focus.

T-Short · « **Reply #10254 on:** August 10, 2015, 09:08:14 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/the-pentagons-dangerous-views-on-the-wartime-press.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

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The Defense Department earlier this summer released a comprehensive manual outlining its interpretation of the law of war. The 1,176-page document, the first of its kind, includes guidelines on the treatment of journalists covering armed conflicts that would make their work more dangerous, cumbersome and subject to censorship. Those should be repealed immediately.

Journalists, the manual says, are generally regarded as civilians, but may in some instances be deemed “unprivileged belligerents,” a legal term that applies to fighters that are afforded fewer protections than the declared combatants in a war. In some instances, the document says, “the relaying of information (such as providing information of immediate use in combat operations) could constitute taking a direct part in hostilities.”

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10255 on:** August 10, 2015, 01:25:17 PM »

studyguy · « **Reply #10256 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:22:40 PM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rep-todd-courser-michigan-lawmaker-male-prostitute-story-i-wont-resign/

I don't quite understand how lying about being gay would be preferable to lying about adultery. Moreover how this dude is out here saying he's still okay to hold his position after the fact.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10257 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:28:38 PM »

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Until Thursday’s GOP debate, Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes and Donald Trump had been executing one of the most successful examples of media synergy in recent memory. But the Trump–Ailes alliance — which helped generate a record debate audience of 24 million — has been in tatters ever since Fox's debate moderators peppered Trump with critical questions on stage in Cleveland. From the moment Trump faced reporters in the post-debate “Spin Room," he’s been attacking the network's treatment of him, with special venom reserved for Megyn Kelly.

Now, it appears both sides want peace. This morning, Trump tweeted that Ailes called to assure him that Fox will cover him “fairly” going forward. According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes's diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday's debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100-percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.”

Things got worse for Ailes over the weekend. In a phone conversation, Trump told Sean Hannity that “he was never doing Fox again,” according to one person with knowledge of the call. The anti-Kelly emails, and threat of a boycott by Trump, seems to have pushed Ailes to diffuse the war. One Fox personality told me that Fox producers gave instructions to tell in-house talent not to bring up Trump’s controversial comments that Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever" during the debate. According to one count, Fox only aired Trump’s comment once since Friday, while CNN mentioned it at least 50 times.

In recent days, Ailes got a glimpse of what a Trumpless Fox News would look like. On Sunday, Trump called in to the four other public affairs shows; this morning he gave interviews to Today and Morning Joe. Inside Fox, this was alarming. “This thing with Megyn got way ahead of Roger and bigger than he must have thought,” one Fox personality said. “Roger wants this to blow over,” another source added. “He’s upset that conservatives are mad at Fox.” Online, Ailes also took flack. Both The Drudge Report and Breitbart News carried pro-Trump headlines.

Whatever Ailes said to Trump in their phone call earlier, it seems to have worked. Trump has agreed to interviews on Fox & Friends and Hannity tomorrow.

Irena Briganti, a Fox spokesperson, did not return a call for comment. The Trump campaign declined to comment.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/donald-trump-and-roger-ailes-make-up-for-now.html

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #10258 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:30:27 PM »

Run a network that can be damaged by what Donald Trump thinks about you, brehs.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #10259 on:** August 10, 2015, 04:45:53 PM »

Cater to the whims of the Frankenstein's monster man-child you helped create, brehs

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