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« Reply #11700 on: October 14, 2015, 05:09:26 AM »
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CNBC has announced the polling qualifications for the Republican primary debate it will host on October 28 in Colorado, and the network’s criteria could leave Rand Paul listening to the sound of his own voice during the “undercard” portion of the evening’s events.

Candidates will have to reach an average of 3 per cent support in polls released between Sept. 17 and Oct. 21 in order to qualify for the main event at 8:00 p.m. A 2.5 per cent average will be rounded up to 3, CNBC said Wednesday.

Those with at least 1 per cent will be invited to an earlier debate at 6:00 p.m.

The rules leave open the possibility that Paul, a Senator from Kentucky, could be alone on stage for what columnists have taken to calling the ‘kids table’ portion of the evening.

Paul is the only candidate averaging between 1 and 2.5 per cent in the six national polls released since Sept. 17, according to a running total maintained by Real Clear Politics.

His average sits at 2.3 per cent as of Wednesday afternoon.
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Just noticed, the RCP average has now moved Paul up to 2.7%. And left Chris Christie in the single person debate limbo at 1.9%.

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Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
« Reply #11701 on: October 14, 2015, 05:24:25 AM »

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« Reply #11702 on: October 14, 2015, 05:45:15 AM »
2016 is actually a secret program to re-create the events of the 2008 Democratic Primaries only for SOCIALIST Bernie Sanders.

I need scissors. 61. -Bernie Sanders, advocating expropriation of la tijeras and reaffirming his support for overthrowing the rule of (Portuguese) law in Angola.

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« Reply #11703 on: October 14, 2015, 06:51:41 AM »
I need scissors. 61. -Bernie Sanders, advocating expropriation of la tijeras and reaffirming his support for overthrowing the rule of (Portuguese) law in Angola.

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« Reply #11704 on: October 14, 2015, 07:05:10 AM »
Anecdote time. A slighty conservative (french tho, so a secular Republican statist through and through) friend of mine thinks Sanders is by far the only worthwhile candidate. Hillary's too much in bed with the establishment and Wall Street (which I get is the view of many Democrats).

Always a bit mind boggling to see the political gap between Europe and the USA.
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Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
« Reply #11705 on: October 14, 2015, 07:12:17 AM »
I did that ISideWith quiz again last week and got this:


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« Reply #11706 on: October 14, 2015, 11:08:03 AM »
Your ideology...
Left-Wing Authoritarian

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BTW like 90% of the questions on ISideWith are horrifying.

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« Reply #11707 on: October 14, 2015, 12:05:52 PM »
It's missing the most important category, "Make America Great Again".

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« Reply #11711 on: October 14, 2015, 12:37:33 PM »
Never really occurred to me that some people legit carry a handbook size constitution on their person on the daily.

Weird.
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« Reply #11712 on: October 14, 2015, 12:45:47 PM »
Yeah MH, it's v. Foucauldian how violence inherent to the capitalist mode of production  (homelessness, for example) is just labeled something else even though it's violent.
there was a footnote I read the other day talking about bourdieu's field work in kayblie and I just thought for a minute how networks of power created by colonialism have possibly colored/created knowledge in the social sciences. Is it any coincidence that bourdieu, having been conscripted into the French armed forces, serving during the algerian war of independence, and educated/funded by public educational institutions in paris, chose a former french possession in which to conduct his ethnographic work? It's so Foucauldian friends.
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« Reply #11713 on: October 14, 2015, 12:46:01 PM »


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« Reply #11714 on: October 14, 2015, 12:53:04 PM »


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« Reply #11716 on: October 14, 2015, 01:44:57 PM »
BENJI EXPLAIN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-dumbass-livestreaming

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"The third question, most popular question from Google is, 'Is Rand Paul still running for president?'" Paul said.

"And uh, I don't know -- wouldn't be doing this dumbass livestreaming if I weren't. So yes, I still am running for president. Get over it," he answered.

He then moved onto the question, "Where is Rand Paul in the polls?"

"This is not (sic) live, we can't edit this, right?" Paul asked in response.

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https://store.randpaul.com/index.php/rand-s-livestream-t-shirt.html
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« Reply #11717 on: October 14, 2015, 01:56:06 PM »
When life gives you dumbasses...?



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« Reply #11718 on: October 14, 2015, 02:19:20 PM »
BENJI EXPLAIN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-dumbass-livestreaming

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"The third question, most popular question from Google is, 'Is Rand Paul still running for president?'" Paul said.

"And uh, I don't know -- wouldn't be doing this dumbass livestreaming if I weren't. So yes, I still am running for president. Get over it," he answered.

He then moved onto the question, "Where is Rand Paul in the polls?"

"This is not (sic) live, we can't edit this, right?" Paul asked in response.

edit: lulz

https://store.randpaul.com/index.php/rand-s-livestream-t-shirt.html

FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE! Wait, this isn't live is it?
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« Reply #11719 on: October 14, 2015, 02:51:17 PM »
The only thing I learned about Webb is that dude is hard as fuck.

"My greatest enemy was that motherfucker who lobbed a grenade at my ass, but I murdered him so... you're next Cooper"
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« Reply #11720 on: October 14, 2015, 03:07:23 PM »


:doge :doge :doge

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« Reply #11721 on: October 14, 2015, 03:08:54 PM »
What a time to be alive.
Rarest of pepes
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« Reply #11722 on: October 14, 2015, 03:19:39 PM »
Yeah MH, it's v. Foucauldian how violence inherent to the capitalist mode of production  (homelessness, for example) is just labeled something else even though it's violent.
there was a footnote I read the other day talking about bourdieu's field work in kayblie and I just thought for a minute how networks of power created by colonialism have possibly colored/created knowledge in the social sciences. Is it any coincidence that bourdieu, having been conscripted into the French armed forces, serving during the algerian war of independence, and educated/funded by public educational institutions in paris, chose a former french possession in which to conduct his ethnographic work? It's so Foucauldian friends.

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I love you, man. :tocry

BTW, it's :lawd how we're having this discussion in the midst of a LOL GOP LOL MEMES Y'ALL struggle session. GW was right.

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« Reply #11723 on: October 14, 2015, 03:30:08 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/8-questions-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask-about-democratic-socialism/
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What is socialism?
What about Sanders's philosophy, democratic socialism?
Why aren't there more socialists in the United States?
What are some socialist things that I interact with in my daily life?
What do Americans think about socialism?
What's the difference between a democratic socialist and a Democrat such as Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Could democratic socialism work here?
What are some of the arguments against democratic socialism?

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« Reply #11724 on: October 14, 2015, 03:48:00 PM »
No knowledge of Bourdieu but wouldn't his choice of Kabylie be also down to convenience of language and proximity ?

French Algeria was a fertile ground for human sciences. Historian Marc Ferro who specializes in colonisation was a teacher there.
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« Reply #11725 on: October 14, 2015, 03:56:04 PM »
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo5059259.html

recommended reading on frenchies doing science in the colonies.

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« Reply #11726 on: October 14, 2015, 04:29:07 PM »
How is Sander's democratic socialism different from Obama's kenyan socialism?
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« Reply #11727 on: October 14, 2015, 04:30:20 PM »
How is Sander's democratic socialism different from Obama's kenyan socialism?

...it's whiter?
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« Reply #11728 on: October 14, 2015, 05:06:37 PM »
language and proximity
neither of these are divorced from the networks of power that colonialism creates and maintains. "Choose" isn't a good word for the point I want to get across and I apologize. Bourdieu could have gone to Ethiopia and conducted similar work; he would probably still be as important in modern academia. The fact that the existing connections between the institutions he was working within (army/college) and the people they had previously educated/administered made it far more likely he would "choose" Algeria, Mozambique, or Laos is my point. That science (or if youre uncomfortable with calling soc/anthro a science and have no issue with the demarcation problem, understanding), which has a place in the western secular imagination as displaced and impartial observation, can be informed by disproportionate social relationships is a pretty good indicator of knowledge being shaped by power, which imo is the most indelible piece of Foucault's work, if not exactly tenable in his own writing.

I doubt bourdieu himself would entirely object to this.

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« Reply #11729 on: October 14, 2015, 06:16:11 PM »
I wasn't trying to rebuke you, just maybe formulating things in a more mundane way. It doesn't change the underlying point, certainly about language (Mozambique was a portuguese holding tho). That science, and especially social or human ones, went hand in hand with imperialism or colonisation (whatever you want to call the impulse) has been true at least as far back as the great maritime expeditions in the 18th century which helped scientists formulate most of the basis for racism (very much "a feature, not a bug" situation at the time contrary to the way we tend to phrase it today as an unfortunate, perverse phase).

Anyway there's no doubt that colonization, for ill and good, had a very deep influence on colonizing powers that last beyond the end of their dominion and the discardment of the whole White Man's burden notions.
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« Reply #11730 on: October 14, 2015, 08:32:00 PM »


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« Reply #11731 on: October 14, 2015, 11:48:05 PM »

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« Reply #11733 on: October 15, 2015, 02:08:39 AM »
I think Clinton will easily win the nomination but her VP choice isn't something that I can be really sure about. Sanders probably would be too old to run again so he might be VP, and that would fit the Dave Chappelle "ya really don't wanna assassinate me" strategy.

But I think Trump will win a couple early states and that will throw the Republican primary in turmoil before we see an establishment rise up. I am not an expert* but I think the people who see establishments as the problem will converge on their most likely candidate and I don't see Trump losing enough steam while Carson and Fiorina continue not fitting the white male demographic.


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benjipwns

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« Reply #11734 on: October 15, 2015, 02:49:12 AM »
I know the experts are all "TICKET BALANCE! YOUNG MINORITY! VIRGINIA! TOM KAINE!" etc. but I have a gut feeling that Hillary doesn't want a VP that could overshadow her like Palin to McCain, etc. And someone outside the Clinton circles? That's rough sailing too.

I'm thinking somebody like Tom Vilsack is right up her alley. Evan Bayh. Nice, safe, Midwestern Governor who's Clinton-friendly.

Maybe reach across the aisle and tap Rick Snyder? That one's free PD.

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« Reply #11735 on: October 15, 2015, 02:52:18 AM »
She wouldn't pick Tim Kaine cause he might overshadow her?

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« Reply #11736 on: October 15, 2015, 03:06:20 AM »
No, sorry, I should have reworked that sentence. In that case I just don't get what's so great about him that they'd want each other. He supposedly has "serious executive experience" or something. But that makes me think more of a Cheney/Biden providing a wise hand to the inexperienced W./Obama on foreign policy/etc. Which, Hillary, in theory, doesn't need.

If he wanted to be President, getting re-elected in 2018 and then running in 2024 (or 2020 if the GOP wins) seems like a much smarter path than being locked in the VP slot for four to eight years doing nothing and tying yourself to a prior administration.

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« Reply #11737 on: October 15, 2015, 03:48:25 AM »
Well, ambitious VPs have a much better success rate than Senators for getting the nomination.

It's odd to me when anyone suggests Tim Kaine as future presidential/VP material, since I think of him as basically having coasted in Mark Warner's wake, and Mark Warner is still right there.

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« Reply #11738 on: October 15, 2015, 04:01:54 AM »
They both have pretty shit rates at winning the Presidency in modern times though. :lol

I think Kaine is seen as more progressive and less dull than Warner. And he was on Obama's short list supposedly. Plus he speaks Spanish! But I agree with you in not getting it.

Tammy Baldwin's another one I don't get that has a kind of niche cult in progressive circles though I can see the surface appeal more than Kaine.

The Castro brothers and Cory Booker are some of the worst really putting the cart before the horse fan-picks.

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« Reply #11739 on: October 15, 2015, 05:06:11 AM »

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« Reply #11740 on: October 15, 2015, 06:45:31 AM »
I would select Lyndon LaRouche as VP. Get the party back to its FDR roots.
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« Reply #11741 on: October 15, 2015, 08:11:56 AM »
Come on, we all know that Hillary is gonna pick her closet waifu, Huma Abedin, for VP.
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« Reply #11742 on: October 15, 2015, 08:36:29 AM »
What if Hillary picked...

Sarah Palin.

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« Reply #11743 on: October 15, 2015, 09:09:44 AM »
Hillary should pick Bill for VP.  :doge Or Michelle Obama for the ultimate troll on the right.
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« Reply #11744 on: October 15, 2015, 09:12:52 AM »
Or better yet, the stem cell reanimated corpse of Saul Alinsky.  :doge
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« Reply #11745 on: October 15, 2015, 09:37:02 AM »
Reverend Wright.

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« Reply #11746 on: October 15, 2015, 09:37:38 AM »
Al Gore pls

or Brian Schweitzer
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« Reply #11747 on: October 15, 2015, 10:24:00 AM »
What if Hillary picked...

Sarah Palin.
Well, Palin is a woman and therefore a Washington outsider...:doge
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« Reply #11748 on: October 15, 2015, 11:08:07 AM »
Ali Khamenei
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« Reply #11749 on: October 15, 2015, 11:14:49 AM »
Former Ambassador Chris Stevens


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« Reply #11751 on: October 15, 2015, 12:57:26 PM »
I was talking to one of my business partner's wife the other night.  She's Mexican, successful and a big Hillary supporter.  When I asked her about Bernie Sanders she said straight up "they're the same white guys who have been telling brown people they know what's best for them since the sixties".
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« Reply #11752 on: October 15, 2015, 01:34:39 PM »
Ali Khamenei

That would appeal to the conservatives that want an establishment candidate and those who want  one that hasn't won a popular election.

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« Reply #11753 on: October 15, 2015, 02:02:01 PM »
For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/
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« Reply #11754 on: October 15, 2015, 02:20:44 PM »
For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/

It's like he's baiting the media/decent people so he can go on a rant about "political correctness."

Hey guys, this country slaughtered Native Americans in every conceivable way including small pox blankets. Today they're regulated to living in reservations with horrendous health and living conditions. The least you can fucking do is not use racial slurs about them today.
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« Reply #11756 on: October 15, 2015, 03:44:15 PM »
For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/

They gave him a cold $100 grand.
I'd imagine he'd go up to bat for them on that alone.
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« Reply #11757 on: October 15, 2015, 09:29:59 PM »
Lindsey Graham: Democratic Debate “Made Me Sick”
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“It made me sick,” Graham, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, said when asked by Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council’s Washington Watch radio show.

“It makes me feel so sad that the Democratic Party has dropped so far when it comes to defending the nation,” Graham continued.

Singling out the Democratic presidential contenders as weak isolationists, Graham said America’s enemies would be hoping the Democrats took the White House.

“If I were ISIL, the ayatollah, Assad I would be pulling for the Democrats because their foreign policy is leading further from behind than Obama,” Graham said. “Bernie Sanders would shut down the NSA program so we couldn’t detect the next terrorist attack. Everybody had an isolationist, disengagement policy regarding radical islam.”

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« Reply #11758 on: October 16, 2015, 07:22:46 AM »

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« Reply #11759 on: October 16, 2015, 07:36:31 AM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/15/jeb-wants-a-recession-in-d-c-having-forgotten-that-real-people-live-there.html

Jeb! is really leaning into this Washington is Bad thing much harder than I would expect from a Bush. Are there any republicans who will see this (and that "I think 'washington' is the pejorative in washington redskins" bit) and not think of Jeb! as exactly the kind of washington politician he is railing against?