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[Human Snorenado]

While the debate/moderation was terrible, I gotta disagree that it's at all representative of "librul media bias."

1) The assholes at CNBC are not really journalists. They're talking head wankers for a network that caters to Wall St.

2) As such, their focus is on a bunch of dumb 1% bullshit as opposed to actual substantive issues.

Sure, they sucked. But they weren't out to "get" the Republican field for the democrats. They were trying to make sure those lunatics on stage aren't going to turn the country into Thunderdome and protect Wall St's interests.

[Phoenix Dark]

I can't believe Jeb! is doubling and tripling down on the "French work week" "zinger" like he totally nailed Rubio to the wall
nobody cares, and it feels like an insult fresh from 2002
all it does it make him look weak and petulant
Rubio BENEFITS from being attacked by Jeb
no one like Jeb, he's the establishment. Jeb going after Rubio just makes Rubio more palatable to the base

Doesn't it give you W "stay the course" vibes? In fact his entire campaign has. Every time he fucks up his campaign doubles down as if it's a sign of strength. First he tried defending the Iraq war, received pushback and responded by making W a focal point of his campaign. When people criticized his Redskins comments he made it a part of his official stump speech. Now everyone agrees Rubio sonned him during that exchange but his campaign is running with it as if it was some brilliant moment for Jeb.

Thank god he's getting his ass kicked or else I'd find this behavior pretty scary. It's neoconservative 101 shit. Never admit defeat, attempt to turn perceived weaknesses into strengths, keep doing whatever you're doing no matter what. Look strong!

[Human Snorenado]

Let's be real, tho- no one running on the GOP side is going to emerge from this debacle of a primary season as anything other than a deeply flawed, compromised candidate that is going to get spanked for 5-6 months by Hillary until she mercy kills them on election day. Suck it, AiA.

[Steve Contra]

Listen to Cheebs in 2015

[Human Snorenado]

Cheebs (who has a master's degree) believes that Rubio is an extremely talented candidate who has at least an even shot at the presidency if he wins the nomination. I'm inclined to agree with him.

Yes, but you're also inclined to do all sorts of other dumb shit, like root for Kobe Bryant be a GURM fanboi in this, the year of our Lord 2015. Who gives a fuck what you or Cheebs thinks?

[Phoenix Dark]

I agree that Rubio could win but only under a perfect set of circumstances. Anything can happen, but it looks like 2016 will look similar to 2015: job growth, but with lower gas prices on average. Assuming we have that type of status quo, Obama's poll numbers will continue to be 49-52% like they are now...I don't see how Hillary loses.

But if the economy starts to truly falter, a foreign policy disaster occurs, an actual Hillary scandal emerges, etc...sure, of course a decent republican can win. Rubio and Kasich are the decent republicans in the race - ie guys I can actually imagine becoming president.

[Steve Contra]

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

[Steve Contra]

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/

this will only increase his popularity with the base, who will be upset the CNBC moderators asked him such a "gotcha" question

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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which season of Mr. Show is this from

[Howard Alan Treesong]

"There's a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a ten-year relationship,” Quintanilla asked. “They offered claims that they could cure autism and cancer. "

wow, that's not exactly BURN FAT FAST

[Brehvolution]

Mannatech

Manna (Hebrew: מָן‎) or al-Mann wa al-Salwa (Arabic: المَنّ و السلوى‎, Kurdish: gezo Persian: گزانگبین‎‎), sometimes or archaically spelled mana, is an edible substance that, according to the Bible and the Quran, God provided for the Israelites during their travels in the desert.

Exploit christian doctrine to hock your bullshit, brehs.

[Kara]

Ben Carson is Izzet.

[Mandark]

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

[Steve Contra]

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

This is basically how the Iraq war came to pass.  "I Know you don't think he has WMD's...but what if he does?  We have to do something."

[Shadow Mod]

Ben Carson peddling bad science and making money off it?

No way.

[VomKriege]

Name your scam pills after sand pancakes.
Also, I would be kind of worried my neuro surgeon would push bullshit pseudo science.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/28/9633420/ted-cruz-republican-debate

Cruz's strategy was smart, and he was arguably the debate's big winner. But it bespoke a deeper weakness. Republicans have boxed themselves into some truly bizarre policies — including a set of tax cuts that give so much money to the rich, and blow such huge holes in the deficit, that simply asking about them in any serious way seems like a vicious attack. Assailing the media is a good way to try to dodge those questions for a little while, but it won't work over the course of a long campaign.

Or will it? Let's find out!

[Phoenix Dark]

Carson has also given some shine to anti-vaxxers. He didn't go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow iirc but still...smh.

[Shadow Mod]

Carson also did experiments on fetal tissue and sees no contradiction in that continuing. Guess it's okay when it's so you can further your career and research but rape victims can EAD.

[Kara]

No benji, but if you want a good laugh sometime read FDA warning letters to huckster companies. Some of the shit out there would make Ostap Bender blush.

[Mandark]

God, how valuable is the Ben Carson donors list going to be when they sell it to gold/investment scam companies?  It's gotta be the holy grail.

[benjipwns]

That was the Ron Paul 2008/2012 lists.

[Joe Molotov]

That was the Ron Paul 2008/2012 lists.

All those people are dead now, tho.

[benjipwns]

All those people are dead now, tho.

[benjipwns]

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/

Yeah, but he didn't give them permission to put his picture on the website.

debate moderator: "oh...okay, that makes sense, moving on..."

[benjipwns]

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

Scientists HATE him.

[Steve Contra]

https://twitter.com/RealBenCarson/status/659777986854559744/photo/1

ben carson letting you know it's cool if you do brain surgery without training because the bible says so.

[Shadow Mod]

You don't even sedatives if you're Ben, people just fall into a deep sleep.

[brawndolicious]

I wonder how much mannatech paid to get one of the best pediatric  neurosurgeons to "not endorse" these autism-curing supplements.

[Steve Contra]

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint

Poor Jeb.

Although this is good:

The most cryptic slight is left for last: "Those who have looked into Marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they have found."

I wonder...

[Phoenix Dark]

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

[Joe Molotov]

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at?

[Madrun Badrun]

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint

Poor Jeb.

Although this is good:

The most cryptic slight is left for last: "Those who have looked into Marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they have found."

I wonder...

Bet it turns out that he has French ancestors. 

[Oblivion]

Carson has also given some shine to anti-vaxxers. He didn't go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow iirc but still...smh.

His response to the moderator asking him if Trump was correct on vaccines was great.

"Well, practically the entirety of the medical community agrees that vaccines do not cause autism, but Mr. Trump's probably right too"

[Human Snorenado]

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at?

Jeb doesn't have that in him, I don't think. He's part of the patrician, nancy boy wing of the family. More Kennebunkport than Crawford, if you will.

[Oblivion]

Well Jeb has at least followed the Rovian tactic of turning a weakness into a strength, so there's that.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

My prediction, Rubio is actually a white/Jewish guy pretending to be Cuban-American.

real name, Mark Rubin.

[Joe Molotov]

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at?

Jeb doesn't have that in him, I don't think. He's part of the patrician, nancy boy wing of the family. More Kennebunkport than Crawford, if you will.

Jeb's a pussy, but surely Poppy and Big Bro could hook him up with some experienced ratfuckers to "anonymously" "leak" some juicy deets on Rubio.

[Kara]

I'll leave the light on for you at the kibbutz / Alpine café  / Caribbean tax haven beach bungalow.

[bluemax]

Name your scam pills after sand pancakes.
Also, I would be kind of worried my neuro surgeon would push bullshit pseudo science.

Dr Oz pushes pseudo science and he's America's favorite doctor!

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/28/9633420/ted-cruz-republican-debate

Cruz's strategy was smart, and he was arguably the debate's big winner. But it bespoke a deeper weakness. Republicans have boxed themselves into some truly bizarre policies — including a set of tax cuts that give so much money to the rich, and blow such huge holes in the deficit, that simply asking about them in any serious way seems like a vicious attack. Assailing the media is a good way to try to dodge those questions for a little while, but it won't work over the course of a long campaign.

Or will it? Let's find out!

I turned my radio on this morning (I left it on a station that is part time sports) and it had Rush Limbaugh on screaming about how the media is out to get Republicans while ignoring real issues. So yeah.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Samson Manhug]

His team didn't put that out, right? Right?

[Phoenix Dark]

his campaign blueprint "leaked" today
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint

[Kara]

737 is an airplane not a sample size.

[Joe Molotov]

Conducted in September, wonder what it would look like if it was conducted after last night...

[Oblivion]

.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/opinion/the-paul-ryan-and-marco-rubio-moment.html

If Ryan and Rubio do emerge as the party’s two leaders, it will be the wonkiest leadership team in our lifetime.

Wow, such wonky. So numbers!

[Joe Molotov]

[Samson Manhug]

One could argue that [Carson]’s even more authentically African-American than Barack Obama

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426317/ben-carson-black-conservative

  White conservatives discussing blackness

[ToxicAdam]

Have to admire the optimism that the campaign will still exist in March.

[Human Snorenado]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/opinion/the-paul-ryan-and-marco-rubio-moment.html

If Ryan and Rubio do emerge as the party’s two leaders, it will be the wonkiest leadership team in our lifetime.

Wow, such wonky. So numbers!

"I'm David Brooks, and I really want unicorns to be real!"

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/colin-powell-republican-iran-immigration-donald-trump/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obinsite



Also like how he highlights that he worked with RR but not Bush

[I'm a Puppy!]

One could argue that [Carson]’s even more authentically African-American than Barack Obama

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426317/ben-carson-black-conservative

  White conservatives discussing blackness

Well duh.
Muslim ain't black

[Human Snorenado]

GOOD JON, MURIKA

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/syria-troops-special-operations-forces/index.html

[Kara]

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/gop-campaigns-rnc-debates-215371

Republican presidential campaigns are planning to gather in Washington, D.C., on Sunday evening to plot how to alter their party’s messy debate process — and how to remove power from the hands of the Republican National Committee.

Not invited to the meeting: Anyone from the RNC, which many candidates have openly criticized in the hours since Wednesday’s CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado — a chaotic, disorganized affair that was widely panned by political observers.

On Thursday, many of the campaigns told POLITICO that the RNC, which has taken a greater role in the 2016 debate process than in previous election cycles, had failed to take their concerns into account. It was time, top aides to at least half a dozen of the candidates agreed, to begin discussing among themselves how the next debates should be structured and not leave it up to the RNC and television networks.

The gathering is being organized by advisers to the campaigns of Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham, according to multiple sources involved in the planning. Others who are expected to attend, organizers say, are representatives for Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum. The planners are also reaching out to other Republican candidates.

...

“I think the campaigns have a number of concerns and they have a right to talk about that amongst themselves,” said Christian Ferry, Graham’s campaign manager. The objective, Ferry said, was to “find out what works best for us as a group.”

Figuring that out could be contentious as each campaign has a number of different complaints about the process. Some — such as Bush and Paul — have griped about unequal speaking time. Others have complained bitterly about how polling is used to determine who qualifies for the prime-time and undercard debates. Some have insisted on giving opening and closing statements, despite the networks' desire to have the candidates spend as much time as possible clashing with each other on stage.

...

Jindal, who polls better in Iowa than he does nationally, has argued that criteria for determining who qualifies for debates should be based on early state polling, not just national surveys.

“Our continuous complaint is candidate exclusion and the delusional debate polling criteria. It's unacceptable,” said Gail Gitcho, a Jindal spokeswoman. “Maybe this meeting will change that, maybe it won't. But we aren't going to shut up about it.”

Graham’s campaign has argued that there should be two debates — with two groups of seven or eight candidates selected randomly.

...

"I think the bigger frustration you saw is that all those candidates onstage had prepared for a substantive debate. Everyone was ready to talk about trade policy and the debt and tax policies," Rubio said on Fox News. "And we're ready for that, everybody was. And then, you got questions that everyone got, which were clearly designed to get us to fight against each other or get us to say something embarrassing about us and then get us to react."

"The campaigns are not going to allow the networks to control this process," Huckabee told Fox Business host Lou Dobbs on Thursday night.

[Madrun Badrun]

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

Imperialism works better if they intended to stay and not just say 'Now you guys are free to be free.  Please have a secular democracy.  We coo?'

Miss good old fashioned imperialism.