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Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
« Reply #12240 on: November 08, 2015, 03:50:23 PM »

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« Reply #12241 on: November 08, 2015, 04:54:33 PM »
Carson had a fun week. Such an entertaining candidate!

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« Reply #12242 on: November 09, 2015, 02:33:48 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-on-killing-baby-hitler_5640e1b6e4b0411d3071da54?eoy9zfr



This is going to be my favorite phase in the death of the Jeb! campaign:  when he tries so hard to not be low-energy that he becomes Poochie the Dog.

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Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
« Reply #12243 on: November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

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« Reply #12244 on: November 09, 2015, 02:40:22 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

You gotta step up, man.
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« Reply #12245 on: November 09, 2015, 02:44:08 PM »
Would he kill baby Cheney? :hitler
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« Reply #12246 on: November 09, 2015, 02:52:34 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

To be fair to the press, it was a question from a reddit AMA.

Plus, you guys elected a coke-binging Chris Farley caricature as the mayor of your biggest city.   

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Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
« Reply #12248 on: November 09, 2015, 03:12:18 PM »
lmao @ Ben Carson saying he's the most persecuted presidential candidate ever on Meet the Press yesterday. When the host brought up Whitewater, Birtherism, etc, he just brushed it aside and said it wasn't even close. Having to defend embellishments from a book you wrote years ago or strange ideas you have about pyramids is just a bridge too far.
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« Reply #12249 on: November 09, 2015, 03:14:25 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

I'd rather feel ashamed about all the people without running water we bomb to hell with hardware that costs tens of billions of dollars.

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« Reply #12250 on: November 09, 2015, 03:37:41 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

To be fair to the press, it was a question from a reddit AMA.

Plus, you guys elected a coke-binging Chris Farley caricature as the mayor of your biggest city.   

O that's OK then.  Clearly the answer should be no though since America's war economy turned it into a superpower and created 3 decades of prosperity post war.   Jebs an idiot for not thinking this though.   

I thought you were Canadian?

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« Reply #12251 on: November 09, 2015, 04:06:44 PM »
Nope, I just got my degree in Halifax. I'm from NYC.

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« Reply #12252 on: November 09, 2015, 10:42:50 PM »
O, and here I thought we had a special connection

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« Reply #12253 on: November 10, 2015, 02:33:46 PM »
Apparently red and green Starbucks cups aren't Christmas-y enough for Republican voters or something? I thought they were Hanukkah cups myself, red and green being the traditional colors of 7.25 of the 12 tribes and all.

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« Reply #12254 on: November 10, 2015, 02:40:21 PM »
Decry political correctness and scream over the color of a cup, brehs.
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« Reply #12255 on: November 10, 2015, 02:49:07 PM »
I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

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« Reply #12256 on: November 10, 2015, 02:56:10 PM »
I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

My wife and I shared a similar observation

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« Reply #12257 on: November 10, 2015, 03:03:57 PM »
The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.

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« Reply #12258 on: November 10, 2015, 03:07:22 PM »
I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

If I ever have human contact again I'll be sure to report back.

Also Citizen Trump mentioned it. Headline on MSN or something atm.

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« Reply #12259 on: November 10, 2015, 04:35:49 PM »
The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.

I must have been in some alternate reality where plenty of the DNC sold us out and has been moving ever farther to the right to "compromise" with said evil.

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« Reply #12260 on: November 10, 2015, 05:53:42 PM »
has been moving ever farther to the right

Has this been happening, though?  Real talk.



edit:  Asking cause I hear this a lot from fellow libs, and I feel like 1) it's only tenable if you decide gay rights etc. don't count somehow and 2) the benchmark would have to be LBJ's domestic policy cause neither Carter nor Clinton really governed from the left (even by the modern American standard of the "left").
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« Reply #12261 on: November 10, 2015, 06:03:45 PM »
edit:  Asking cause I hear this a lot from fellow libs, and I feel like 1) it's only tenable if you decide gay rights etc. don't count somehow and 2) the benchmark would have to be LBJ's domestic policy cause neither Carter nor Clinton really governed from the left (even by the modern American standard of the "left").

I don't think moving that way started recently if that's what you're getting at but frankly between economic policies, surveillance, punishing whistle blowers, conceding women's health care, various senators/representatives wanting and galvanizing to privatize certain institutions, no single payer, kowtowing to "jobs at bases" over anything else, I just don't give a flying fuck about the DNC.

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« Reply #12262 on: November 10, 2015, 06:06:52 PM »
I believe it was somebody here that said 'Democrats would be the worst thing ever if it weren't for Republicans' and that pretty much sums up US polytix.
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« Reply #12263 on: November 10, 2015, 06:06:59 PM »
The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.
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« Reply #12264 on: November 10, 2015, 06:48:48 PM »
I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

If I ever have human contact again I'll be sure to report back.

Also Citizen Trump mentioned it. Headline on MSN or something atm.

He said, "I don't care."

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« Reply #12265 on: November 10, 2015, 06:54:55 PM »
"Did you read about Starbucks? No more 'Merry Christmas' on Starbucks. Maybe we should boycott Starbucks. I don't know. Seriously, I don't care."

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« Reply #12266 on: November 10, 2015, 06:58:29 PM »
Kind of sounds like a monologue bit from a guy who doesn't give a shit anymore. Has he got that campaign fatigue like Carson, Jeb and Paul?

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« Reply #12267 on: November 10, 2015, 06:59:40 PM »
He's pretty wishy washy on shit that's not declaring this or that person is a loser or rapist.

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« Reply #12268 on: November 10, 2015, 08:32:50 PM »
Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

After the 80s and 90s it seems like the last 8 years were a move left, but aside from the ACA I'm not confident a lot of other leftward moves will be as long lasting as the evisceration of welfare under Clinton, for example. If the recently deprivatized federal student loan program is profitable (which seeing as how it's debt secured against a person seems likely) there will always be people licking their chops to get a piece of it. Drug prosecution will almost certainly swing back to idiotic once Liam, Hayden, and Bella are old enough to smoke pot and a generation of navel gazing self-interested Redditors realizes that making the state do their parenting for them is preferable to doing the parenting themselves. Et cetera.

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« Reply #12269 on: November 10, 2015, 09:04:42 PM »
debate time  :doge

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« Reply #12270 on: November 10, 2015, 09:21:21 PM »
Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.
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« Reply #12271 on: November 10, 2015, 09:22:48 PM »
Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.

Tell me if he starts ranting at empty chairs.

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« Reply #12272 on: November 10, 2015, 09:25:32 PM »
Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.

Tell me if he starts ranting at empty chairs.

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« Reply #12273 on: November 10, 2015, 09:31:54 PM »
"Ben Carson, why'd you lie, bro?"

"Yeah, but Benghazi."
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« Reply #12274 on: November 10, 2015, 09:58:07 PM »
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« Reply #12275 on: November 10, 2015, 10:16:57 PM »
Rand is definitely the troll winner tonight.  :lol

gotta love him embarrassing Trump on TPP/China.
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« Reply #12276 on: November 10, 2015, 10:20:57 PM »
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« Reply #12277 on: November 10, 2015, 10:31:41 PM »
Rubio's been pretty quiet, I thought he would be on the upswing after that last debate...
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« Reply #12278 on: November 10, 2015, 10:40:44 PM »
Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

The previous decades of gay rights cases were just a series of coincidental misreadings of the constitution?  Which were just recently reversed cause of new legal scholarship, independent of the wider social and political change surrounding the issue?

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« Reply #12279 on: November 10, 2015, 10:42:40 PM »
Carson, essentially
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« Reply #12280 on: November 10, 2015, 10:56:45 PM »
"Socialism starts when government creates a problem, then government steps in to fix the problem."

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« Reply #12281 on: November 10, 2015, 10:57:34 PM »
Well, that's the end of Kasich's campaign. :dead

Cruz making people jump out windows :whew
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« Reply #12282 on: November 10, 2015, 10:57:35 PM »
Socialism: when government creates a problem and then tries to fix it

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« Reply #12283 on: November 10, 2015, 11:14:12 PM »
Fiornia sounds like Rod Sterling during a Twilight Zone intro
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« Reply #12284 on: November 10, 2015, 11:22:36 PM »
Time for Jeb to rereboot his campaign.
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« Reply #12285 on: November 11, 2015, 03:39:03 AM »
Was I the only one that noticed that Cruz said his brilliant, freedom loving, pro-growth tax plan would create 4.9 million jobs over a fucking decade? That's 490K jobs a year, which is a little more than 12k jobs a month. Last month we had 270k.

I checked to make sure I didn't misinterpret what he meant to say, but he said the exact same thing during the last debate, and the tax foundation score that he bragged about using pretty much said the same thing:

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According to our Taxes and Growth Model, the increased incentives to work and invest from this tax plan would increase the size of the economy by 13.9 percent over the long run. The plan would lead to 12.2 percent higher wages and a 43.9 percent larger capital stock. The larger economy would mainly result from a significant reduction in the service price of capital, due to the elimination of the corporate income tax and the significant reduction in the individual income tax. In addition, the reduction of marginal tax rates on individual income would increase incentives to work and result in 4.8 million full-time equivalent jobs.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan

Even for Republicans, this is an amazingly shitty thing to boast about.

edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

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« Reply #12286 on: November 11, 2015, 03:47:50 AM »
edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

The way I'm reading it, it's job growth/capital investment/GDP growth over a decade compared with current tax law.  So they claim it would be 4.8 million more jobs, or that 4.8 million additional jobs are the equivalent of the increase in economic activity.

I mean, it's still bullshit, but there ya go.

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« Reply #12287 on: November 11, 2015, 03:51:13 AM »
edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

The way I'm reading it, it's job growth/capital investment/GDP growth over a decade compared with current tax law.  So they claim it would be 4.8 million more jobs, or that 4.8 million additional jobs are the equivalent of the increase in economic activity.

I mean, it's still bullshit, but there ya go.

Ah okay. That's the other possibility I was thinking of but wasn't sure.

Still, that only means an extra ~500k jobs per year, which is nothing to write home about.

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« Reply #12288 on: November 11, 2015, 04:19:44 AM »
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« Reply #12289 on: November 11, 2015, 10:53:36 AM »
The republicans are running against a 2008 Obama still.  Almost everything they said was true then, not now.  They're going to have such a hard time with a real candidate.
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« Reply #12290 on: November 11, 2015, 11:31:24 AM »
Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

The previous decades of gay rights cases were just a series of coincidental misreadings of the constitution?  Which were just recently reversed cause of new legal scholarship, independent of the wider social and political change surrounding the issue?

When you say decades of cases which cases are you referring to? Lawrence was over a decade ago (where I'd start measuring the sprint race to legal equality) and most of the cases you'll cite probably cite Baker v. Nelson in their decision which was never directly ruled on by, or argued in front of, the Supreme Court. (It was always, no pun intended, back door precedent.) The arguments put forth in Baker are largely  the same ones put forth in Obergefell v. Hodges, due process and equal protection. Gay marriage's legality is more a consequence of the Loving decision (which ironically is a product of the age Devo was bemoaning the rightward turn from) than it is a great awakening in the Democratic Party of the Two Thousand Aughts and Teens.

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« Reply #12291 on: November 11, 2015, 12:59:46 PM »
The republicans are running against a 2008 Obama still.  Almost everything they said was true then, not now.  They're going to have such a hard time with a real candidate.

I understand the economy isn't great right now but listening to these debates you'd think we're in the middle of a recession.

No mention of the jobs report during the debate either. 270k jobs? Who cares. :doge
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« Reply #12292 on: November 11, 2015, 01:11:49 PM »
Gay marriage's legality is more a consequence of the Loving decision (which ironically is a product of the age Devo was bemoaning the rightward turn from) than it is a great awakening in the Democratic Party of the Two Thousand Aughts and Teens.

You playing devil's advocate or actually believe this?

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« Reply #12293 on: November 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM »
Got into this Facebook argument that went on 100 posts or more

...of course you did.
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« Reply #12294 on: November 11, 2015, 03:59:52 PM »
It always amuses me when you see the same types of people flop positions in a short span of time. In 2006, it was the democrats convincing everyone that it was a 'jobless recovery' and Republicans were celebrating every morsel of good economic news. Now it's switched and no one seems to remember or care. You see it play out with the topic of the national debt, too.

 

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« Reply #12295 on: November 11, 2015, 05:40:09 PM »
The thing is that in 2006, liberals were actually genuinely outraged about the lack of oversight that lead to money and lives being lost in Iraq and the economy did shit the fan a year after the election which could be partly blamed on lack of government regulation.

There hasn't really been a huge government blunder like those during Obama's presidency. At least nothing with immediate consequences. Still a year left.

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« Reply #12296 on: November 11, 2015, 08:58:10 PM »
One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

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« Reply #12299 on: November 11, 2015, 10:28:13 PM »
Got into this Facebook argument that went on 100 posts or more

...of course you did.

Haha.

The point is that that's a discussion that should be like 3 posts total. The other person saying the economy got worse under Obama, me posting GDP and employment numbers, and the other person saying, "Wow, was I ever wrong on this one! Thank you, good sir, for ensuring that I will not live on in constant error."

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