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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13680 on: February 12, 2016, 11:27:57 PM »
FDR's pretty fucked up too. That's why I said I can't think of a single pretty good president, from my POV.

Obama's real legacy will be that of being the first Black president. This will be considered good or bad depending on who you are. Conservatives are right, in a way, when they say that Obama has made race relations worse but for the opposite reason at no fault of his own: cacs gonna cac. Obama's presidency has forced us to wake up and accept the dismal race relations in America and actually confront it. More now than ever, people are willing to talk about it and try to understand. Right now, people are flying their own, real colors. When I was a kid, it was thought things were getting better on the race front. Katrina made things really low - for a time. And then Obama was elected. But ever since then, it has been a daily reminder that this country fears and hates us. Obama's legacy is making Americans come to terms with themselves racially. Lines are being drawn in the sand. This will be especially crucial and important as we reach the 2020's, Latino and Asian American population booms, and global warming decreases resources. This was something we were gonna face anyways. But the mass cac effect came home a lil' early thanks to Obama. People thought it was going to be when Latino's became the largest pop. in America but nah. It's going to get even worse from here.

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« Reply #13681 on: February 12, 2016, 11:29:32 PM »
Well, if you can't think of a single good president, maybe it's not particularly the president's fault.

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« Reply #13682 on: February 12, 2016, 11:33:01 PM »
I have definitely talked about the subject of anti-Americanism before, and I have been genuine each and every time.

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« Reply #13683 on: February 12, 2016, 11:37:05 PM »
Just saying, if Bernie can be praised for hypothetical future accomplishments of other people he inspires, we can at least throw some credit to Obama for real life shit.

At the very least maybe refrain from throwing "hero worship" at other people if you're going to be caping so hard for Sanders.

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« Reply #13684 on: February 12, 2016, 11:38:40 PM »
So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.
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« Reply #13685 on: February 12, 2016, 11:41:34 PM »
So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.

If we're giving presidents all the credit and blame for demographic/economic trends, then Clinton's gotta get daps for black income growing like crazy during the 90's.  Which I don't think he's actually personally responsible for, but for consistency's sake...

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« Reply #13686 on: February 12, 2016, 11:48:34 PM »
I thought we were talking about Presidents on their political skills, not necessarily their policies  ???

I obviously think FDR is almost complete shit, but from the standpoint of being a politician, manager, dealmaker, etc. like TA said, "pretty good" is underselling him.

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« Reply #13687 on: February 12, 2016, 11:50:04 PM »
How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

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« Reply #13688 on: February 12, 2016, 11:53:19 PM »
How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

:heh
Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge, Warren G. Harding?!?

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« Reply #13689 on: February 12, 2016, 11:55:28 PM »
For what's it worth, since you all demand to know my opinion on everything, Lincoln was overrated. 80% of his political opposition left the country! He was a lousy war and cabinet manager! He won a four-way race for Presidency and then one in the middle of the war with all sorts of benefits, just as the tide turned overwhelmingly in the Union's favor, and he still only got 55%!

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« Reply #13690 on: February 12, 2016, 11:58:43 PM »
Even in FDR's case his party had ~50 more seats in Congress, and his successes mostly ground to a halt after his first term, with the court-packing threats and whatnot.

Ditto LBJ having a burst of success with a friendly Congress before it fell apart.  For that matter, Reagan spent later years negotiating with the Soviets and signing tax increases.

Even when you try to separate the normative shit, it's really hard to find a president who was always effective and got his way.  With that in mind, it just feels silly to single out a president for personal "failure" by not meeting that standard, and expecting to get shit done just by finding the unicorn who actually could do it is just gonna be an exercise in frustration.

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« Reply #13691 on: February 13, 2016, 12:01:09 AM »
So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.

If we're giving presidents all the credit and blame for demographic/economic trends, then Clinton's gotta get daps for black income growing like crazy during the 90's.  Which I don't think he's actually personally responsible for, but for consistency's sake...

But activists told me rising tides don't lift all boats...

There is no such thing as a perfect president or leader, in this country or any country. Every US president has flaws. But when honest people discuss issues like this they tend to look at a variety of issues. Not a couple pet issues which trump everything else, nor do they conveniently ignore things that don't fit the narrative. I am not an Obama fanatic, and I don't think anyone in this thread is. However it's pretty clear that he has been the most consequential US president since LBJ, legislatively and in other ways. And given demographic and ideological trends it seems pretty clear he will be held in high regard by people and historians. No one is saying he is [insert whoever the best US president is to you].

I think this really boils down to comparing pragmatic solutions and/or progress to perfect ideological fantasies. The ACA isn't perfect but it's basically a collection of a lot of the best healthcare ideas of the last 20 years. It has largely been successful despite Supreme Court fuckery (Medicaid expansion). It is virtually a trojan horse for a public option plan. Yet apparently none of that matters because it is not a fantasy program which destroys the private insurance industry, costs trillions of dollars, and  raises taxes on the middle class.

I'd love for someone to name some major programs that were created out of thin air which drastically changed everything and did not require any type of progression of benefits/services. Social security used to only cover widows. Medicare initially did not cover physical therapies that seniors need the most. That's how change happens. Nobody gets unicorns. So shitting on something because it is not a unicorn isn't intellectually honest to me.
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« Reply #13692 on: February 13, 2016, 12:04:43 AM »
Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?

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« Reply #13693 on: February 13, 2016, 12:05:16 AM »
It's rare for Presidents to enter office and "get their way" right away, and they benefit from it. Reagan, Eisenhower, FDR all benefited from entering a favorable political situation that didn't go awry immediately. (Though Reagan's could have with the assassination attempt.)

Obama's campaign as a "wave of change" became defunct from the day of the crash. W. Bush's presidency was derailed with 9/11. Clinton immediately got bogged down into the budget fights. Then Hillarycare and the Republican Revolution sent it reeling. They all still "got stuff done" including on their wish lists.

H.W. Bush went from huge win to raising taxes to the Gulf War and 90% approval to checking his watch in the debates in basically three years.
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« Reply #13694 on: February 13, 2016, 12:11:48 AM »
Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?
-CPI sucks
-China, the EU, and oil are fucking everything up both favorably and unfavorably
-A lot of it is just sitting or flipping back and forth across Wall Street to prop up balance sheets and the stock market rather than spilling out into the economy writ large
-Due to the modern Wall Street system, it's been turned into loans that are primarily creating capital misallocation
-It's going to happen in the coming months and really hurt Hillary's campaign
-THERE IS MASSIVE INFLATION, LOOK AT THE MONEY SUPPLY, THAT'S HOW INFLATION IS DEFINED

EDIT: 3rd one is probably most plausible to me as being a realistic answer assuming the premise

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13695 on: February 13, 2016, 12:55:25 AM »
How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

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Need or desire a president (read: replacement father figure) to look up to :heh

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« Reply #13697 on: February 13, 2016, 10:18:37 AM »
I need to admit something. I'm actually somewhat rooting for a candidate. I kinda want Bernie to win or get Iowa like finishes in Nevada and South Carolina and double his minority support. He won't survive March, but it's like everywhere I go politics-based is on the edge of peak fuckery. The amount of teeth-gnashing Bernie threads on GAF is par for the course.

I'm on a private forum with some academics of varying levels and there's been like an endless flamewar going this last week. I have no idea why Hillary people are going nuts.

There's a long tenured poli sci professor who opens all his classes by boasting that he's a "proud Marxist" but is otherwise sane and he's gone nuts he's savaging Sanders supporters as betrayers to "the cause" started by FDR and LBJ. Not because of the whole "won't vote for Hillary in general" but that they're going to vote Bernie in the primaries "WHICH IS DIVIDING THE PARTY AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME!"

At least Obama was a serious political force in 2008, Bernie's more like Bill Bradley in 2000.

I was chatting with one of my Marxist friends (an early key question he asked of me that made clear it would become a friendship: "wait...how do you know about Bob Avakian?") from that forum on Steam about how silly it seems like it's getting and I realized that Democrats basically, outside of 2008 haven't had a true "battle" since 1988. 2004 was mostly unified against Bush, 1992 was a shit field overshadowed by Perot, 1996/2000/2012/2016 had incumbents or defacto incumbents.

Then to go back to GAF, like those fellers on there all came of political age during the Obama presidency it seems like, they're used to a GOP war for the nomination every cycle, not a Democratic one.

This is really just musing gibberish.

It did make me go back and dredge up some old 2008 stuff regarding Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Obama, the Libertarian Party, etc. I must have blocked that all out. One of the reason threads I came across was nuts as fuck. Eight years of a Democratic President have made people slightly more favorable to the GOP in general just because they're the opposition, but back then Bush hatred was high, and Obama was saying promising things, McCain was despised, Bob Barr was a phony, Ron Paul was a sellout for running in the GOP primaries, oh, and reason was secretly a left-wing plot for investigating Ron Paul's newsletters dooming his candidacy.

And then...THIS:


Since their archives are so easy to draw from, I'll just drag out the reason posts/comment links:
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/15/the-mayor-in-the-plastic-bubbl
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/16/blowback-from-the-blowback-deb
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I am this morning, declaring my candidacy for Congress in the GOP primaries against Ron Paul. If he does not resign his seat, and if another Republican candidate does not declare against him, I will run a balls-to-the-wall campaign for Congress in Texas CD 14.

I am the guy that got Ron Paul elected to Congress in 1996. I can and will defeat him in 2008.

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Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis said he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates’ debate Tuesday night, Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

..."I think he would have felt much more comfortable on the stage with the Democrats in what he said last night. And I think that he is a distraction in the Republican primary and he does not represent the base and he does not represent the party,” Anuzis said during an RNC state leadership meeting.

“Given what he said last night it was just so off the wall and out of whack that I think it was more detrimental than helpful.”

Anuzis said his petition would go to debate sponsors and broadcasters to discourage inviting Paul.
Saul Anuzis is one of the biggest fucking dicks ever, and not because of his politics, I speak from personal experience. PD might have even heard about how much he sucks.
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GIBSON: According to a recent Rasmussen Report poll, 35 percent of Democrats think President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has already infected people like Rosie O'Donnell and one in three Democrats, and many other people, Americans evidently, including Congressman Ron Paul. With me now is FOX News contributor and syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin.

So, Michelle, this stuns me. It wouldn't have stunned me had it come up in the Democratic debate, but it's a jaw-dropper to see it in the Republican debate.

MICHELLE MALKIN: It is and it doesn't belong here. And I'm glad that this moment provided great TV for FOX News — it was a very instructive exchange — but Ron Paul really has no business being on stage as a legitimate representative of Republicans, because the 9/11 truth virus is something that infects only a very small proportion of people that would identify themselves as conservative or Republican. And as you say, John, this is far more prevalent, this strain of 9/11 truth virus, on the left, and in much of the mainstream of the Democratic Party as that Rasmussen poll showed.

You know, I try not to spend too much time in these cesspools, but it is worth taking a visit to places like, you know, these WTC7 sites and Students and Scholars for Truth, and I note that Ron Paul has basically allied himself with these people. He appears with Students for Truth on campus and he's appeared on radio shows like 9/11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones.

Anyway, sorry for the didn't read lol.

EDIT: lol, from these archives, I forgot there was a short lived "Bill Richardson, a market libertarian-leaning Democrat?!?" boomlet.

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« Reply #13698 on: February 13, 2016, 10:19:30 AM »
hate-fucking yourself with politics  :phil

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« Reply #13699 on: February 13, 2016, 10:52:46 AM »
Goddamn. That Ron Paul video.

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« Reply #13700 on: February 13, 2016, 10:55:19 AM »
Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?
-CPI sucks
-China, the EU, and oil are fucking everything up both favorably and unfavorably
-A lot of it is just sitting or flipping back and forth across Wall Street to prop up balance sheets and the stock market rather than spilling out into the economy writ large
-Due to the modern Wall Street system, it's been turned into loans that are primarily creating capital misallocation
-It's going to happen in the coming months and really hurt Hillary's campaign
-THERE IS MASSIVE INFLATION, LOOK AT THE MONEY SUPPLY, THAT'S HOW INFLATION IS DEFINED

EDIT: 3rd one is probably most plausible to me as being a realistic answer assuming the premise
Isn't #3 basically just repackaging and selling debts as assets on a balance sheet? I've read several articles in regards to Chinese companies doing this on an extraordinary level. I assume it's going on in the US for all those emerging markets investments.

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« Reply #13701 on: February 13, 2016, 11:29:15 AM »
Isn't #3 basically just repackaging and selling debts as assets on a balance sheet? I've read several articles in regards to Chinese companies doing this on an extraordinary level. I assume it's going on in the US for all those emerging markets investments.
I can't imagine any large American corporations doing this, and then using the "assets" for leverage. That seems like it could be dangerous and surely companies are better run than that.

And nobody would be stupid enough to sell insurance on those assets.

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13702 on: February 13, 2016, 11:42:24 AM »


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« Reply #13703 on: February 13, 2016, 12:01:05 PM »
You have reminded me of Paul v Guilliani and Romney
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Let us not forget the blowback The Bore suffered during that era as well: FlameOfCallinor.
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« Reply #13704 on: February 13, 2016, 12:18:52 PM »
lol i forgot just how many of these he got into




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« Reply #13705 on: February 13, 2016, 12:49:43 PM »


is that john lewis behind him?! chris rock is a disgrace!

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« Reply #13706 on: February 13, 2016, 01:53:18 PM »


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/13/actress_from_pulled_ted_cruz_ad_is_a_conservative_christian_republican.html
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Amy Lindsay, the actress who recently co-starred in a Ted Cruz campaign ad, and has also appeared in episodes of Star Trek: Voyager and several adult films. Once Cruz and the media found out about her past, the candidate ordered the ad pulled, but that hasn't diminished her support for conservative Republicans. She discusses the situation, and which candidate she might vote for, with CNN's Jake Tapper.

"It was a gig, but I absoutely -- when I got the copy of what the campaign was going to be about, I knew it was about supporting a Republican candidate" she said. "Which is definitely what I am doing."

"I thought the writing was smart, I thought it was snappy, but I did not know who it was for. I do identify myself as a conservative Republican, so I knew it was something I could get behind and support."

She also leaves the door open to supporting another candidate (on her next TV appearance).

"I haven't come out to endorse anyone just quite yet," she said, though Ted Cruz "absolutely" is still in the running. "When I did the ad, and the words that came out of my mouth, I was a character, my character in the commercial was 'Sam,' I believe, but I was speaking from the heart."

"I have no ill will against Ted Cruz right now."
I hope the real reason they pulled it is because she was on Voyager.

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« Reply #13707 on: February 13, 2016, 02:08:37 PM »
As long as we're posting some of our favorite debate moments, here's one of mine:



"We have these ships that go underwater"

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« Reply #13708 on: February 13, 2016, 02:17:43 PM »
And they're still beating that drum despite the Pentagon budget being what, 600b+?  :lol

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« Reply #13709 on: February 13, 2016, 02:24:22 PM »
Benji I'm glad you mentioned that Hilary supporters are going nuts and that most gaffers aren't used to democrats fighting. If Sanders takes Nevada this is going to get ugly, especially with the DNC blocking Sanders at every turn.

Can you imagine if Bernie gets the popular vote but the DNC still makes Hilary their candidate? Going by recent  behavior from the DNC I half expect it to happen.

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« Reply #13710 on: February 13, 2016, 02:37:29 PM »
If Sanders wins Nevada I will call you and take the L on the phone. I don't see him winning there given it's a closed caucus (dems only), lots of Hispanics, and the culinary union isn't too happy with him right now.
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« Reply #13711 on: February 13, 2016, 02:41:38 PM »
Speaking of phones. I'm phone calling Nevada. There is work to be done.

Bernie did good with Latino's last debate. Great talking point to add to my Nevada phone calls.

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« Reply #13712 on: February 13, 2016, 02:45:15 PM »
See what Hilary is doing now by dividing civil rights leaders to get the "black vote"  :doge


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« Reply #13713 on: February 13, 2016, 02:46:03 PM »
I'll admit that I was :whoo @ Bernie's Kissenger take down, on the eve of a Nevada caucus where presumably many Latin Americans will be voting. I liked that. And Hillary did herself no favors by embracing Kissenger again.
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« Reply #13714 on: February 13, 2016, 02:52:59 PM »
In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Pretty funny but no cigar. Not sure "Sanders stans" are going to be forgotten in history.

If bernie loses, wins. it's still win-win, either way. on one hand, if bernie wins, we win. If he loses, we still win because there's an unprecedented interest - in decades - in socialism. If he loses, and we organize, expect many of those people to join up. we're organizing right now. Kshama Sawant ran in seattle last election and won. This is her second time winning. Kshama is the socialist figure head in charge of the 15 dollar wage campaign passed in Seattle. Due to Bernie, that ideology is spreading. More and more people are aware of and not afraid of socialism thanks to one man. even if bernie loses, we will still be far more ahead, as a political movement, than 4 years ago. if you think peoples criticism of capitalism and inequality will disappear if bernie loses then i don't know what to say.

this is just the start, and this issue will only get worse.

I don't think most liberals disagree with Bernie's socialist policies. But I have never heard an explanation for how those policies could get through Congress. Maybe in a decade? Who knows. One good thing about what you're saying with the organization is if they can show up to midterm elections and push the democratic party to go all the way with socialized healthcare, education, etc similar to the Tea Party (but less extreme). I could see that happening in the upcoming elections.

If a Trump or Cruz wins, people will just want to go back to the status quo before trying anything radical again.

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« Reply #13715 on: February 13, 2016, 02:54:18 PM »
PD:

You also forget the part about refugees and immigrants. I find his empathy important. I have brought up in my phone calls that Bernie is the son of a Jewish man who escaped Europe. So when people say that immigrants or refugees shouldn't be in America, Bernie knows more than anyone that's not true. I think you will be surprised by the Nevada results. :)

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« Reply #13716 on: February 13, 2016, 02:58:35 PM »
In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Pretty funny but no cigar. Not sure "Sanders stans" are going to be forgotten in history.

If bernie loses, wins. it's still win-win, either way. on one hand, if bernie wins, we win. If he loses, we still win because there's an unprecedented interest - in decades - in socialism. If he loses, and we organize, expect many of those people to join up. we're organizing right now. Kshama Sawant ran in seattle last election and won. This is her second time winning. Kshama is the socialist figure head in charge of the 15 dollar wage campaign passed in Seattle. Due to Bernie, that ideology is spreading. More and more people are aware of and not afraid of socialism thanks to one man. even if bernie loses, we will still be far more ahead, as a political movement, than 4 years ago. if you think peoples criticism of capitalism and inequality will disappear if bernie loses then i don't know what to say.

this is just the start, and this issue will only get worse.

I don't think most liberals disagree with Bernie's socialist policies.

Don't be shocked. Liberals are still liberals. Many of which are capitalists. Liberals are not necessarily an ally to socialism. DNC's behavior should tell you everything you need to know about liberals. Modern conservatives and liberals are still from the branch of neoliberalism and neoclassical economics. Don't conflate America's binary definition of left as being an ally of actual leftist policies. In America a liberal is considered left only because of our ever exceedingly march towards conservative politics in the last 40 years. Being liberal doesn't mean shit when it comes to Sanders' policies.
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13718 on: February 13, 2016, 03:29:08 PM »
"Many liberals are capitalists"


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« Reply #13719 on: February 13, 2016, 03:33:30 PM »
:lol Wrong wording on my part.  :-*

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« Reply #13720 on: February 13, 2016, 05:02:09 PM »
Antonin Scalia was found dead at his Texas ranch. Holy fucking shit.
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« Reply #13721 on: February 13, 2016, 05:04:58 PM »
Died in his sleep at 79. Pretty good way to go.

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« Reply #13722 on: February 13, 2016, 05:07:17 PM »
O fuck, no chance Obama gets to fill this before he leaves right?

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« Reply #13723 on: February 13, 2016, 05:21:31 PM »
So Walrus finally stopped talking and killed Metaphoreous

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13724 on: February 13, 2016, 05:22:55 PM »
Well that's a twist

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13725 on: February 13, 2016, 05:42:54 PM »
Honestly the election just became an election for SCOTUS as well.  Pretty crazy. 

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13726 on: February 13, 2016, 05:49:18 PM »
Wouldn't the house just stall on any nomination unless he chooses a conservative? 

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13727 on: February 13, 2016, 05:49:51 PM »
O fuck, no chance Obama gets to fill this before he leaves right?

He could make a recess appointment if he really has no fucks to give. But it might not come to that. McConnell could play ball and perhaps allow nomination for some type of moderate justice that most of the senate can agree on.
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13728 on: February 13, 2016, 05:52:08 PM »
Doesn't it need house and senate approval? 

edit:  no

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13729 on: February 13, 2016, 05:59:29 PM »
Yup, just Senate approval, so in theory the "more reasonable" body will do the right thing and allow a vote on a successor.
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13730 on: February 13, 2016, 06:03:10 PM »
well that is (more) hopeful

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13731 on: February 13, 2016, 06:05:38 PM »
Senate GOP leadership has to be looking at Trump and Cruz and thinking man, republicans could have an ugly election in November. The senate map favors democrats this year. It seems like it would be easier to confirm a centrist now than deal with President Hillary and perhaps a democrat majority in the senate nominating a liberal.
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13732 on: February 13, 2016, 06:11:40 PM »
And then they get to try being reelected as people who replaced Scalia with an Obama appointment? 

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13733 on: February 13, 2016, 06:27:43 PM »
:o Scalia

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13734 on: February 13, 2016, 06:32:44 PM »
And then they get to try being reelected as people who replaced Scalia with an Obama appointment?

It's basically like admitting they don't have much faith in the presidential election going their way.

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13735 on: February 13, 2016, 06:47:07 PM »
Cruz and Rubio's statements on Scalia have already said that the next President should appoint a replacement :lol
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13736 on: February 13, 2016, 06:54:43 PM »
Yup, it's on. McConnell is saying the next Pres should appoint the replacement too

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservative-senate-block-noms

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13737 on: February 13, 2016, 07:03:37 PM »
Well, of course, Republicans are the party of money, money desires inaction

That what gets me about shit with the campaign finance reform, and the claim that certain people make about the money not effecting their vote. They don't want to by your vote they want to buy you not bringing up bills that would affect them, they want to bring attention elsewhere so it's not even voted on

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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13738 on: February 13, 2016, 07:18:11 PM »
so if the court is at 8 members, doesn't that mean they can't get a majority rule on, well, anything?
are they just on an indefinite break until they've got another dude or dudette on the bench? Do they still do stuff but put things on hold when they tie? What in the blue hell is going on here if they can't/wont  get another jurist until 2017?

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ps: Isn't it kinda nuts to not use whatever leverage the GOP has now to get a more palatable option in the court then to wait until the election and hope for the best? I mean, the senate is/was highly likely to flip no matter who wins the presidency this year, this seems like a really stupid gamble to make with no real upside (best case scenario, we still block the courts for a year).
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Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
« Reply #13739 on: February 13, 2016, 07:58:53 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/26/could-obama-be-the-next-supreme-court-justice-hillary-clinton-is-intrigued/

from just a few weeks ago.  Maybe she did Scalia in like Vince Foster, and this is her masterplan.