Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE  (Read 2656039 times)

0 Members and 8 Guests are viewing this topic.

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14340 on: March 01, 2016, 10:53:21 PM »
speaking of which
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/704875239675707393
:whoo

The whole "Yeah, well, the KKK was originally founded by Democrats!" line is so incredibly disingenuous and ignorant of the last 75 years of American history.

At least he didn't trot out the rotting corpse of Robert Byrd like someone else whose name I can't remember did, as if a man who was left the KKK in the 40's and spent much of the rest of his life denouncing his membership in the group and what they stood for has anything in common with friggin' David Duke.
dog

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14341 on: March 01, 2016, 10:54:13 PM »
so you really don't understand why anyone would want a politician to distance themselves from the kkk

cool

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14342 on: March 01, 2016, 10:57:39 PM »
The whole "Yeah, well, the KKK was originally founded by Democrats!" line is so incredibly disingenuous and ignorant of the last 75 years of American history.
Even worse, there was more than one Klan! I'd be more concerned about the Zombie Klan from Reconstruction than the modern one personally. For one, they're the Klan. Also, they're zombies.

so you really don't understand why anyone would want a politician to distance themselves from the kkk

cool
I don't know why they would buy or accept it as meaning anything. It doesn't change why they were attracted to him in the first place or continue to be attracted to him. Or change whether or not he's bigoted.

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14343 on: March 01, 2016, 10:58:21 PM »
Remember when people (including Clinton) used the same playbook on Obama/Farrakhan?


That's how you handle having your name tied to bigots. Trump pretended to not know who David Duke was, as if to give a wink to racists on the eve of southern states.
010

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14344 on: March 01, 2016, 11:01:41 PM »
Remember when people (including Clinton) used the same playbook on Obama/Farrakhan?

That's how you handle having your name tied to bigots. Trump pretended to not know who David Duke was, as if to give a wink to racists on the eve of southern states.
But, Obama refused to reject his support. And he's overly defensive there, trying to distance himself despite the clear support from Farrakhan. It makes me think he has something to hide. Especially the fact he's a Muslim.

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14345 on: March 01, 2016, 11:03:32 PM »
Obama kept his promise too. 8 years ago Mandark would have never liked one of my posts.
010

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14346 on: March 01, 2016, 11:09:11 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/01/seven-nj-newspapers-call-christie-resign/81168876/
Quote
Six New Jersey newspapers issued a joint editorial Tuesday calling on Gov. Chris Christie to resign in the wake of his failed presidential campaign and his subsequent endorsement of rival Donald Trump.

The six newspapers including the Asbury Park Press, the Cherry Hill Courier-Post and the Morristown Daily Record — all Gannett-owned papers that are part of the USA TODAY NETWORK — were apparently spurred to editorial outrage by a Monday press conference in which Christie refused to answer questions about anything other than his nomination of a state Supreme Court judge. Asked why, Christie replied, "Because I don't want to."

"We’re fed up with Gov. Chris Christie’s arrogance," the papers wrote. "We’re fed up with his opportunism. We’re fed up with his hypocrisy."

The joint editorial notes that Christie spent part of 261 days out of state last year and traveled out of state to endorse Trump and campaign with him after he quit the race Feb. 10.

"For the good of the state, it’s time for Christie to do his long-neglected constituents a favor and resign as governor. If he refuses, citizens should initiate a recall effort," the editorial said.

http://www.app.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/03/01/chris-christie-resign-recall/81162824/
Quote
What an embarrassment. What an utter disgrace.

We’re fed up with Gov. Chris Christie’s arrogance.

We’re fed up with his opportunism.

We’re fed up with his hypocrisy.

We’re fed up with his sarcasm.

We’re fed up with his long neglect of the state to pursue his own selfish agenda.

We’re disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump after he spent months on the campaign trail trashing him, calling him unqualified by temperament and experience to be president.

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14347 on: March 01, 2016, 11:09:57 PM »
Thank god because I ran out of offensive stuff years ago and have been pretty much relying on photoshop since. 

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14348 on: March 01, 2016, 11:10:05 PM »
Quote
Ben Carson is staying in the race for the Republican nomination even though his campaign admits that it's not clear at all that Carson has a viable path to victory, and they don't have a plan to win.

"Well, we clearly don't know. We don't have a well defined path to victory," Carson campaign chairman Bob Dees told the Washington Examiner Tuesday in an interview. "But we think the opportunity still exists for people to wake up and that's what we're hoping."

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14349 on: March 01, 2016, 11:11:46 PM »
"this question will not give us the final answer on a candidate's policies or how they truly feel or why their constituency likes them" i mean no shit bro we all get that already

you're not gonna make me voxsplain this shit to you f'real are you?

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14350 on: March 01, 2016, 11:19:20 PM »
Obama kept his promise too. 8 years ago Mandark would have never liked one of my posts.

Mandark liked one of my posts the other day and, not going to lie, I swooned.

Also he should know that for years I have been calling him Mandrake in my head and assume he went though a D&D phase in his early life because of this mistake.

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14351 on: March 01, 2016, 11:21:36 PM »
I kinda wish Oscar would come back cause this sorta thing used to be aimed at him and I'm not 100% comfortable with it.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14352 on: March 01, 2016, 11:22:10 PM »
Yeah, because I must really be missing the point here. Why wouldn't bigots attract bigots to their candidacy? It's not like they can exactly support Cruz, Rubio or Carson and stay true to the American Race.

And I really don't see why I should change my opinion on Trump because he rejects (either honestly or not) a group that supports him, and doesn't change anything about why he's attracting their support.

David Duke endorsing "but not endorsing" Trump doesn't change whether or not Trump personally accepts it.

Same goes for Russert's bullshit in the clip.

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14353 on: March 01, 2016, 11:30:09 PM »
Not being 100% comfortable is pretty normal since there is always that discomfort at the start, Mandrake.

Mods Help

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14354 on: March 01, 2016, 11:34:50 PM »
So are you a big dexters lab fan? Always wanted to ask that

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14355 on: March 01, 2016, 11:41:44 PM »
I picked this name on a whim when I wanted to chat on IGN's IRC room.  It was semi-obscure, and I think the TV movie they did had come out recently.  Also I was probably subliminally identifying with the character cause I saw myself as smart (and have a big forehead).

Feel like I should have changed it to something more clever with better SEO years ago, but I've built brand equity with this, dammit.

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14356 on: March 01, 2016, 11:42:56 PM »
Goddamnit, I am so sad that Rubio actually won a state.
yar

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14357 on: March 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM »
Short answer on why the David Duke "matters."

It's an asymmetric question, of which there are lots in politics.  It takes on importance only when the candidate gives the nonstandard answer.

Syph

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14358 on: March 01, 2016, 11:44:16 PM »
I am now pleased to project Rubio 2016
Pleasure doing business
XO

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14359 on: March 01, 2016, 11:56:52 PM »
Short answer on why the David Duke "matters."

It's an asymmetric question, of which there are lots in politics.  It takes on importance only when the candidate gives the nonstandard answer.
I guess it just seems to imply a notion to me that if Trump did give the standard answer and overtly reject the support then his nativist campaigning is somehow more acceptable because he's drawn a line where he won't change his positions but will state his dislike of certain people supporting his positions.

Like an inverse of all the Bernie people trotting out Killer Mike and Nina Turner as some kind of defense against their candidate being an actual Klan member.

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
010

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14361 on: March 02, 2016, 12:07:26 AM »
Quote from: Politico.com
Clinton's new problem: How to let Bernie down easy
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 12:11:56 AM by benjipwns »

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14362 on: March 02, 2016, 12:11:35 AM »
I am now pleased to project Rubio 2016
Pleasure doing business
Quote
Marco Rubio's top campaign adviser huddled with roughly 40 bundlers and K Streeters Tuesday morning to prepare them for a difficult primary election night—as well as to brief them on the campaign's plan for what to do next.
Quote
Not everyone who attended left the meeting thinking the campaign had a workable plan to dethrone Trump as the party's expected nominee.

"It was a presentation that defied reality," said one Rubio backer. "They said their convention strategy was not contingent on winning any states... Even if you go to the [second ballot] why would anyone say Marco Rubio is the guy to give it to?"
:stahp

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14363 on: March 02, 2016, 12:18:52 AM »
Well, I don't think anyone's said that if Trump rejects the KKK it exculpates him from any charges of racism*.  But he's a candidate who's been running a really nativist, anti-immigration campaign and who's pretty disdainful of existing political norms.  It's fair to poke at just how far that goes, and to make a bit of a ruckus if he doesn't take the easy option of saying "David Duke? Nah, guy's an asshole, I don't need his support."

Also there's probably a not-completely-trivial amount of people who could be sympathetic to Trumps immigration policy while still seeing the KKK as a bridge too far.  There's gradations to this shit.


spoiler (click to show/hide)
*When he gets the nomination there will probably be a bunch of people frantically trying to make this argument.
[close]

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14364 on: March 02, 2016, 12:20:23 AM »
I think you're getting trolled bro.
010

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14365 on: March 02, 2016, 12:23:23 AM »
Nah, benji's legit got some :doge in him.

First discussion I remember having with him on here was "Why don't black people just defect to the GOP for one cycle for better leverage?"  This was, as you could expect, rather early in the Obama presidency or maybe even before it.  Hard to ask that with a straight face these days.

Sausage

  • Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14366 on: March 02, 2016, 12:44:29 AM »
pd, tell benji about the kkk and why they're generally frowned upon
And stating you reject their or their members or their former members endorsements should matter why? It's not like he's rejecting the reasons he's getting their endorsement.

https://vine.co/v/igHFKFWVDnO

"...I've just made a huge mistake."
Would also work with Curb's music.
https://vine.co/v/igH3wW1Khe9

whoops PD already posted
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 12:48:58 AM by Sausage »

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14367 on: March 02, 2016, 12:56:03 AM »
I think you're getting trolled bro.
I wish. I seriously don't see why saying every time you're asked that you're rejecting David Duke's non-endorsement endorsement would trump your continued overtly and highly nativist campaign.

He can't pull what Obama did. He doesn't disagree with Duke on the particular reasons given by Duke to support him other than the wording and maybe the extent. Obama claimed he disagreed and condemned Farrakhan views. 

Besides, Trump already did this five months ago:
Quote
08/26/15 06:55 PM EDT Updated 08/27/15 01:02 AM EDT
Donald Trump says he isn’t interested in the endorsement of David Duke, the anti-Semitic former Ku Klux Klan leader who praised the GOP presidential hopeful earlier this week on his radio show.

“I don’t need his endorsement; I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement,” Trump said during an interview with Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. He added: “I don’t need anyone’s endorsement.”

Asked whether he would repudiate the endorsement, Trump said “Sure, I would if that would make you feel better.”

And part of the kerfluffle is due to Trump dropping out of the Reform Party because of Duke and Buchanan's nativist campaign in that party. So Trump apparently lied about not knowing who Duke is.

Quote
On Feb. 26, Trump held a press conference to announce the endorsement of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. With Christie at his side, Trump was asked how he felt about receiving Duke’s support. “I didn’t even know he endorsed me,” Trump said, clearly irritated by the question. “David Duke endorsed me? OK. Alright. I disavow. OK?”
Quote
Trump was again asked about Duke in a Feb. 28 interview on CNN’s State of the Union by anchor Jake Tapper.

Tapper, Feb. 28: "I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?"

Trump: "Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know."

Trump went on to say that he did not want to condemn any groups until he knew something about them. He told Tapper to “give me a list of the groups” and he would review them. But Tapper returned to Duke.

Tapper: "OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…"

Trump: "I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him."
Quote
Trump, who conducted his State of the Union interview remotely from Florida, blamed a bad earpiece for his refusal to disavow Duke and condemn his politics during his interview with Tapper. Trump said he could “hardly hear what [Tapper] was saying.”

I mean, what the fuck. Why is David Duke even an issue? Alex Jones has openly endorsed Trump, a show Trump went on regularly last year. So has Michael Savage, a show Trump goes on regularly still. Yet that's considered within the acceptable bounds? But Duke supporting Trump and Trump fucking up his response this time he got asked suddenly matters?

Forget it, I'm probably trashing up the thread now because I don't think there's a way I can "get" this.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14368 on: March 02, 2016, 12:58:09 AM »
Nah, benji's legit got some :doge in him.
Some?

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14369 on: March 02, 2016, 01:03:51 AM »

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14370 on: March 02, 2016, 01:25:26 AM »
I wish. I seriously don't see why saying every time you're asked that you're rejecting David Duke's non-endorsement endorsement would trump your continued overtly and highly nativist campaign.

Again, who said this?

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14371 on: March 02, 2016, 01:57:09 AM »
Sure, that's fair talking about this thread. I don't want to accuse anyone in the thread on making that claim, I was more riffing off one of MH's posts mentioning it really.

To me, it seems pretty implicit in the media fretting over and coverage (and resulting commentary) of the should be nobody Trump hasn't embraced vs. not even noticing the nativist bigots he has. Often.

Comparing search results as a short-hand proxy:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
thehill.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 28,300 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 221 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 104 results

politico.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 33,300 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 128 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 74 results

msnbc.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 11,400 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 133 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 34 results

foxnews.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 3,020 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 209 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 39 results

talkingpointmemo.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 10,500 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 238 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 35 results
[close]

I mean, none of the above sites have a single story on this from today:
Quote
At the beginning of his radio show Tuesday, Michael Savage asked: “Donald, I want to put something to rest. I know you are the least racist person of all of the candidates. I know it from your employees. I know it from your history, but you’ve also been smeared continuously with this KKK garbage. And I know you’ve denounced it. Can you clearly say that you denounce this endorsement on ‘The Savage Nation’?”

Trump replied: “Yeah. Totally denounce, and I disavowed it, and I’ve disavowed it numerous times, and I’ve disavowed it on Twitter, and on Facebook, and all over the place but people refuse to accept it.”

Responded Savage, “Donald, I accept it because I know your history.”
Savage gets how many more listeners than Duke, says essentially all the same bullshit.

Trump's been on his program tens of times during his campaign. They're even talking about the hubbub!

And not to mention that none of the stories about Trump/Savage on those sites even get into the regular insane nativism and other views of Savage. Ones he's said and Trump's agreed with. But a has-been Klan member says Trump is the best of the candidates for "European Americans", and it's like a fucking dam broke in comparison.

But we don't need to further establish that I see things waaaaaaaay differently from everyone else here or mentally well people.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*WHISTLE* TRYING TO DEFLECT!!!!
[close]

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14372 on: March 02, 2016, 02:06:00 AM »
Don't mind Benji, it's the Ben Shapiro talking.
He got a new shirt (and YouTube home, TruthRevolt dumped him)


spoiler (click to show/hide)
[close]

Quote
Shlomo Shekelstein3 days ago
>kikes don't like Trump

What else is new?
Reply 214

EDIT: http://www.dailywire.com/news/3783/anti-semites-are-out-force-trump-ben-shapiro
spoiler (click to show/hide)
[close]
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 02:18:06 AM by benjipwns »

brawndolicious

  • Nylonhilist
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14373 on: March 02, 2016, 02:13:51 AM »
Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do. Like trying to win in Iowa.

I don't think he was dumb enough not to care and maybe he really did have a hearing issue or just is getting senile which would explain a lot.

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14374 on: March 02, 2016, 02:23:57 AM »
If I may try to boil down/paraphrase your points:

1) Certain figures, organizations, or viewpoints are considered outside the acceptable bounds of respectable discussion, while other, equivalently terrible figures, organizations, and viewpoints are tolerated and treated seriously.

2) Sometimes an underlying issue goes largely ignored for a long time, then suddenly receives a burst of attention, for what feel like arbitrary reasons.

3) The newsmedia, when reporting on or interviewing political candidates, will often focus on symbolic actions, sometimes myopically, rather than presenting a thorough, well-reported explanation of the context of a candidacy.


To which I say "yup."

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14375 on: March 02, 2016, 02:34:25 AM »
Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.
I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy, while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

rather than presenting a thorough, well-reported explanation of the context of a candidacy.
They don't even have to do that. Why not just ask him to repudiate Savage or something? That's not even a reach like the Duke thing is and it probably involves the candidate himself agreeing to something stupid since he's been on the show. Like being called the Winston Churchill of our time for wanting to ban Muslims or whatever nutty thing Savage has said this week.

That #1 paraphrase is true and just a weird thing to me. And even weirder when it's used positively. Like why is Bill Kristol still a thing.

Why Mandark? Why?

Answer all of these questions immediately!

Don't wait for the translation!

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14376 on: March 02, 2016, 02:44:03 AM »
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ADMIT THAT HILLARY PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK
yar

Oblivion

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14377 on: March 02, 2016, 02:46:51 AM »
Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.
I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy,

I think the problem is that Trump's recent hesitation in criticizing him meant that it was a sign that he's warming up to Duke and/or his supporters, thus rendering the fact that he did reject Duke a few months ago irrelevant.

Quote
while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

Definitely agree with this, though.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14378 on: March 02, 2016, 02:52:49 AM »
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ADMIT THAT HILLARY PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK
Multiple responses to my unhinged moonbattery and yet he refuses to comment on this on this growing Middle America concern.

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14379 on: March 02, 2016, 02:57:42 AM »
Two reasons in this particular case.

First, the KKK carries a meaning to millions of people who've never heard of Michael Savage or barely know anything about him.  It's pre-established in the popular imagination as evil without needing any explanation.

Second, which I think is bigger, Duke made his statement after a bunch of Republicans had resolved to go hard against Trump, and were looking for something to grab on to.  The Alex Jones interview was back when the other candidates were focused on each other, and a month and a half before even that National Review cover.

brawndolicious

  • Nylonhilist
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14380 on: March 02, 2016, 02:58:09 AM »
Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.
I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy, while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

Probably has to do with the size of the audience. If a few regular companies are still paying for ad time on Savage Nation or whatever, then journalists will feel like it's harder to pitch a simple story about how bad Trump's pal Michael Savage is.

But I'm guessing the KKK don't have a ton of corporate sponsors so that's an easy, breezy lemon-squeezy story.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14381 on: March 02, 2016, 03:32:48 AM »
David Duke says he's no longer a Klan member or white supremacist, but a racial realist. Checkmate, lieberals. :smug

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14382 on: March 02, 2016, 03:37:25 AM »
Huh, he's not even registered to vote.

Also, is "racial realist" a better or worse rebranding than "intelligent design"? "Crunchy conservative"?

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14383 on: March 02, 2016, 03:59:55 AM »
Ted Cruz takes Alaska!

Delegates from tonight so far (total):
Code: [Select]
Trump 204 (285)
Cruz 140 (161)
Rubio 74 (87)
Kasich 19 (25)
Carson 3 (8)

Code: [Select]
Baby Seal Puncher Shrillary 549 (1001)
Hope for America, Bernie 290 (371)

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14384 on: March 02, 2016, 04:14:14 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-night-hillary-clinton-regained-her-020854315.html
Quote
Hillary Clinton entered this presidential campaign last April as an overwhelming frontrunner and inevitable Democratic nominee. Tonight, she regained that status.

There was a lot of cheering at Clinton’s primary night party as results from the 12 states and territories that voted on Tuesday began to flash on the screen. Polls had indicated Clinton would do well today, and there were no surprises.

...

“By mid-March, our lead will be large enough that it will be effectively insurmountable — [it] won’t be mathematically impossible — but it will be effectively insurmountable,” the Clinton source said.

...

It was easy to forget in the wake of Sanders’ surge in the early-voting states, but this is how the race was always supposed to be for Clinton.

With her years of experience as a former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state, Clinton began this race almost as more of an incumbent than a White House hopeful. This time last year, polls showed Clinton with a lead that was, on average, more than 40 points ahead of all her likely rivals. But then America — and the Clinton campaign along with it — began to Feel the Bern.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/establishment-republicans-are-furious-with-john-kasich#.mgZaxdW0M
Quote
On Tuesday night as return after return came in and Marco Rubio failed to break through, many establishment Republicans grew angrier that John Kasich was still in the race.

One of them was Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has become increasingly frustrated with Kasich behind closed doors, three sources told BuzzFeed News. In the coming days, McConnell will be urged to more aggressively try behind the scenes to push Kasich out, sources say. One of McConnell’s closest allies, Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, is still backing Kasich.

McConnell has become frustrated with establishment Republicans’ inability to rally behind a single candidate as Donald Trump continues to march toward the Republican nomination. McConnell has indicated he will allow Senate candidates to run ads distancing themselves from Trump, according to the New York Times, which also first reported McConnell’s frustrations with Kasich. With the Senate majority on the line, several vulnerable Republicans would face an even harder path to re-election if Trump is at the top of the ticket.

Kasich’s presence in the race almost certainly damaged Rubio on Tuesday night. As of late Tuesday, Kasich took 9.4% of the vote in Virginia — a state where Rubio likely lost by five points or less. Kasich also took 18% of the vote in Massachusetts; the same as Rubio.

The Florida senator’s backers are livid that the Kasich’s showing in Virginia may have kept their candidate from winning and will continue to hurt them in upcoming primaries; Kasich has indicated he will not drop out until after Ohio, and may be aiming to stay in as long as it takes to be a Trump alternative.

A Senate GOP insider openly questioned in an interview with BuzzFeed News whether Kasich had some inside deal with Trump. “You have to believe Kasich has made a deal with the devil. Why else is he still in the race? Kasich needs to look GOP voters in the eye and tell us whether he has a deal — explicit or implicit — with Donald Trump for a spot on the ticket.”

Other Republicans echoed similar sentiments.

“I like John Kasich, but no one is doing more to elect Donald Trump than Kasich is right now,” said Curt Anderson, who previously ran Bobby Jindal’s campaign. Jindal has since endorsed Rubio.

“He will be in single digits in most states tonight, and there is no route to victory for him, regardless of what fiction [Kasich chief strategist] John Weaver tries to spin,” Anderson said. “If he stays in this race, Donald Trump will forever be in his debt.”

Republican insiders say prominent figures within the party are going to be putting more pressure on Kasich — and his supporters — in the coming days, with some even making public calls for him to drop out. Mitt Romney has already reportedly tried to push Kasich out of the race, to little avail.

“I’m sure Gov. Kasich is going to get some private calls, and if he doesn’t get out, those private calls will turn into public calls,” said Ryan Williams, a former Bush backer who worked for Romney in 2012.

Williams, who has worked for years in New Hampshire politics — a state where Kasich had his best showing — called the Ohio governor’s efforts a “vanity campaign at this point.”

“People should realize that a vote for Kasich at this point is a vote for Trump. It’s time for John Kasich to take a hint and read the handwriting on the wall.”
Quote
And in a memo Tuesday night, Kasich’s campaign made the case that the Ohio governor had a better shot at the nomination than Rubio.

“Sen. Rubio has been more hyped than Crystal Pepsi, but he has flopped even worse,” the memo stated.

Dennis

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14385 on: March 02, 2016, 07:07:11 AM »
Quote
“Sen. Rubio has been more hyped than Crystal Pepsi, but he has flopped even worse,” the memo stated.

 :teehee

Dennis

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14386 on: March 02, 2016, 07:17:19 AM »
I want to see Trump mercilessly mock Roboto for his poor Super Tuesday showing in the next debate.

Mods Help

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14387 on: March 02, 2016, 10:12:00 AM »
I wish Bernie fans would just let the dream die.

Yup. It's over. Went to reddit this morning and saw "DON'T BE DEFEATIST!"

Um

Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14388 on: March 02, 2016, 10:30:14 AM »
Her views on intervention trouble me but at the same time there are things we don't know. We don't know how much of her past views on intervention were bluster to up her foreign policy credentials and "look strong," for instance. Perhaps as president she would be more cautious and realistic.

I'm not worried about Hillary starting a war with Iran, re-invading Iraq, implementing a no-fly-zone in Syria, escalating things with Russia, etc.  Her fp advisers are almost certainly going to be former Obama and Clinton people...not Bush veterans.

Will she do more dumb shit than Obama? Perhaps, probably. But I just don't buy the idea that she'll plunge the US into all types of interventions and disasters.

I'm catching up on a few days of posts, so sorry for coming in late with this, but she has definitely said she wants to implement no fly zones in Syria.

Also, I'm glad to see Oklahoma embracing its socialist roots.



Second edit: The Libya intervention, which has turned Libya into a lawless failed state with no real government and a sizable Islamic State subsidiary, while certainly Obama's decision, was heavily influenced by Hillary. She is a person who, by her own admission, would rather be "caught trying" than do nothing when it comes to intervention. Here's more on that:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 10:39:53 AM by Samson Manhug »

Mandark

  • Icon
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14389 on: March 02, 2016, 01:14:23 PM »
The decision to intervene in Libya bothers me a lot less than the one to invade Iraq, just because I'd expect a civil war (already in progress) to wind up being vastly destructive and chaotic with or without US involvement.

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14390 on: March 02, 2016, 01:51:00 PM »
Honestly I'd stand by my view that I don't believe she would implement it. NFZ support is largely a way for politicians to look "strong" on foreign policy without committing to anything of actual realistic consequence. Hillary was demanding NFZ when Russia was flying missions over the country. Does anyone think Hillary Clinton would authorize shooting down Russian planes, or put herself in a position to be dared to do it by Putin refusing to comply?

010

Dennis

  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14391 on: March 02, 2016, 02:03:27 PM »
Romney speech tomorrow.

Hopefully his endorsement of Rubio will be just the kiss of death he needs.

Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14392 on: March 02, 2016, 02:26:27 PM »
The decision to intervene in Libya bothers me a lot less than the one to invade Iraq, just because I'd expect a civil war (already in progress) to wind up being vastly destructive and chaotic with or without US involvement.

I doubt you could find many that disagree, but I think hope-believing that Hillary isn't as interventionist as she has been in the past or says she will be in the future is a little out of touch.

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14393 on: March 02, 2016, 02:29:30 PM »
Romney speech tomorrow.

Hopefully his endorsement of Rubio will be just the kiss of death he needs.

Is #Romney2016 trending yet? It's not too late Mitt, you can still do it! (lol)
©@©™

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14394 on: March 02, 2016, 02:41:41 PM »
more fodder for Benji :doge

Quote
Donald Trump’s oldest son gave a 20-minute interview last weekend to a radio host who once wrote that slavery is the best thing that ever happened to African-Americans.

James Edwards — who is host of a radio show called “Political Cesspool” that has hosted leaders of the Ku Klux Klan, Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis — spoke with Donald Trump Jr. in an interview that will air Saturday, according to a recent blog post.

Edwards once wrote, “For blacks in the Americas, slavery is the greatest thing that ever happened to them. Unfortunately, it’s the worst thing that ever happened to white Americans,” Edwards wrote on his blog, citing a piece he said he read in the Jamaican Observer, however, the link he provided did not work.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-son-pro-slavery-host-interview-220120#ixzz41mCG9L4m
010

Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14395 on: March 02, 2016, 02:49:28 PM »
Carson to drop out Friday:

Quote
Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who briefly led the Republican presidential race before his campaign began an extended public implosion, told his supporters in a statement Wednesday afternoon that he does not see a “path forward” and will not attend Thursday’s debate in Detroit.

Carson, however, did not formally suspend his campaign. Instead, he said in the statement that he has decided to make a speech about his political future on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland, just outside Washington.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html


HyperZoneWasAwesome

  • HastilyChosenUsername
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14396 on: March 02, 2016, 02:55:42 PM »
Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

edit: me fail at reading
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 08:12:57 PM by HyperZoneWasAwesome »

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14397 on: March 02, 2016, 02:59:19 PM »

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14398 on: March 02, 2016, 03:00:28 PM »
Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

He said somewhere that he wasn't going to attend the debate.
dog

Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
« Reply #14399 on: March 02, 2016, 03:03:15 PM »
Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

He said somewhere that he wasn't going to attend the debate.

Maybe his campaign gets paid through the week, gets a weekend off finally, and then comes back next week for the clean-up?