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NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.
https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/715244637410041856

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NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.
https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/715244637410041856

Just about to post this. Man, at this point I hope Trump gets the nomination because there's absolutely no way he wins with women voters so alienated. Will be a fish in a barrel for Hillary.

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The front page of r/politics :lol



It's always been pretty bad but this is the biggest I've seen their Hillary hate-boner grow. :phil

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It's almost literally a mirror of S4P now. It's fun to look at, like a zoo.

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“Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down,” she wrote. “I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken.”



Ya I don't see it.  I'd call her a liar too.

Yeah, it's a fairly minor event, but so is stealing a candy bar. People go to jail for the latter all the time.

If the Trump campaign and Breitbart, itself, hadn't immediately branded her as a liar and an attention-seeker, this probably would have already blown over and been forgotten about. But that's what they did do, and so she was kind of forced into a position to file suit against him in order to protect her reputation as a reporter.
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After that response from Trump on punishing women who get abortions, I wonder if JD is considering voting for him now...

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as if JD wasn't going to vote for Trump in the end anyway :gurl
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And for every 1 of you that had legit issues there are 10 who are pill hunting. I know they have a database that tracks these people now, at least Ohio does. Which is making it harder for them to say "oh my back" and get 30 percosets.
like can you imagine the carnage if people used a product contrary to the wishes of the state of ohio?

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How can you describe this as pulling them backwards from behind?

Because I have eyes.

Again, the guy and his boss called her a "liar" and "delusional" very, very publicly, denying that any physical contact had ever occurred.  Even granting the mildest interpretation of the footage, her statement is way closer to that truth than theirs is.  If she doesn't file charges, no way the security camera footage from Trump's building gets released voluntarily.

And it's totally reasonable for someone (especially a woman) to be a bit shaken when someone grabs and yanks them without warning in a public setting, and there's nothing about this particular context that would change that.

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http://www.benefitresourcesinc.com/PDF/13-14-MED-BNFTS-GUIDE.pdf

Having a baby last year? You paid 300-500 dollars total out of pocket

Having a baby this year? You're paying 10,000 dollars out of pocket

Is that actually right?  The way I'm reading the chart in that pdf, the HMO pays for 90% of maternity costs after a $1,500 family deductible.  So if you're paying $10,000 out of pocket, the total hospital bill would have to be over $85,000.  Not my field, but that seems high.

Am I just reading this wrong?

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$10,000 is close to the full cost for a completely normal childbirth. Unless he's talking about someone who had a very unlucky set of complications, I dunno.

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I can't wait until he has Alzheimer's next election and calls everybody kiddo. Counting the days.
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I can't wait until he has Alzheimer's next election and calls everybody kiddo. Counting the days.

Did Reagan call everyone kiddo? 


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Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

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Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

If the GOP doesn't change and Hillary wants a second term, it's very likely it'll happen. The GOP is already a mess and the demographics will change in such a way that will absolutely not favor them.

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Current Republicans aren't changing. It's a party of angry white people who are "losing their country". That angry trend is only going to keep increasing as demographics shift.

Its been obvious they need to make outreach to latinos for so long but they can't do that and keep their angry racist diatribes going so it doesn't happen. Its easier to see them splitting into two parties rather than moderating themselves.

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The GOP won't change but TBH probably still have a small window in which to exploit outside factors and overcome their demographic problems. For instance the US economy has some form of a recession every ten or so years. What if an economic downturn occurs during Hillary's term? That plus her likely not achieving anything (plus petty real or fabricated Clinton scandals) could make her a one term president.

Speaking of the economy, AiA did you see the jobs report?
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something something low wage jobs
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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.
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Looks like electing Republicans to control spending in Congress in 2014 was the right move. It's starting to pay dividends.


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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.

Unfortunately all it takes is for China to tank and the world economy is fucked.


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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.

something something inflation bomb imminent
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Looks like electing Republicans to control spending in Congress in 2014 was the right move. It's starting to pay dividends.
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Isn't the Sanders campaign including employee contributions as "corporate donations," which is bullshit? I'm sympathetic to the argument about money in politics, but I gotta say I'm not really worried about Hillary Clinton giving handouts to the oil lobby (which btw hates her). Same with Obama.
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Do we really want someone that can be that emotional and hysterical with their finger on the button? That was pretty much assault.

Imagine if a Trump supporter had acted like that.

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Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

Since WW2, Reagan/Bush is the only time a party even got three consecutive terms in the White House.  But it's all tiny sample sizes and historical quirks, so who knows.

I'll echo PD and say it largely depends on the economy.  Also will be really interesting to see how this election plays out and how the GOP deals with Trump voters.

For demographic/geographic reasons, the Dems currently seem to have an advantage in the electoral college while the GOP has an advantage in controlling statehouses and the House.  A lot of Republican operatives and pundits felt after 2012 that the party should try to expand their base by being more accommodating on immigration and gay rights and we're seeing how well the current base liked that idea.  The GOP can either find ways to reach out to new voters without setting off revolts in the current base, or it can try to keep ratcheting up its share of the older white voters (with immigration, BLM and terrorism in the news so much that feels like the more natural path to me).

Shit could get worse before it gets better.

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the carson part too
i wasn't ready
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Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

Since WW2, Reagan/Bush is the only time a party even got three consecutive terms in the White House.  But it's all tiny sample sizes and historical quirks, so who knows.
Yeah, it really depends on how you draw the lines. Reagan/Bush is also the only time since Jackson/Van Buren it's happened without a President dying in office. (Unless you think Hayes actually won the 1876 election.)

If I start in 1976, the D's and R's both will have had five terms in office when Obama leaves.

If I start in 1952 and end in 2008, the R's will have held the Presidency for nine of fourteen terms. 1968-1992 is R's with five of six.

Since the inception of the Republican Party they've gone 22-17. Before Clinton they were 20-13.

It's odd to look at historical trends for just the Presidency, considering the Democrats dominated Congress for 40+ years. They likely would have won the 1940 and 1944 elections without FDR as the candidate. Their control over the South was something that only recently shattered and as quickly the GOP's seeming hold on it has faded.

Congress has pretty much been opposed to or at minimum been a thorn in the side to the President since 1938. Even when his party has been in power. Barely any President has gotten much more than a year of a Congress favorably in line in what he wants to do. It's why so many Presidents "shifted" to foreign policy as their focus. (And Nixon basically ignored domestic policy from the get go.)

Neither party should really be looking at 2012 or 2016 as being all that important in the scheme of their party's design moving forward even with the Supreme Court situation. 2020 matters not just because redrawing the districts, but because it's going to also going to be the last with the clear D advantage in the Electoral College if we assume zero changes in the party's positions. The states they've started flipping they have to move more into their fold. And vice versa for the R's.

One area it'll be interesting is if the D's going after VA, NC, GA, etc. allows a kind of backdoor for the Trump/Santorum jobs/trade-focused populism to bolster the R's back in the Rust Belt which they had played even in not too long ago and where the D's have kinda abandoned that focus as they assumed the states out of play. (Snyder, Scott Walker, etc. benefited from some of this.) And if the D's breakup the Religious Right's powerbase, does that help free the R's from having to kneel as much? The rise of the Religious Left doesn't get a lot of play, but there are megachurches that are Democratic money bases that could become vote bases. And we'll forever assume the D coalition won't fight it out at some point.

All that said, I assume D's losing in 2018, increases Hillary's re-election chances in 2020. Like it did for Obama.

Assuming Hillary is the D nominee this year. Something we shouldn't presume as Sanders could still...especially after the indictment I mean.

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Their control over the South was something that only recently shattered and as quickly the GOP's seeming hold on it has faded.

Did I miss something?  South is pretty solidly GOP, right?

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I guess it depends on if you're including Texas or how far north you go with the South.

The should be GOP states of Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and South Carolina only offer up 50 EV's vs. North Carolina, Virginia and Florida's 57. And Georgia isn't the GOP lock it was a couple years ago, was only like a five point margin in 2008, seven in 2012. Was 17 in 2004. I think it's not that farfetched to speculate Hillary could reasonably take it by a hair.

D's have good chance at some governorships and Senate seats, like in NC. I think they should probably move some legislatures back away from ultramajorities.

I think post-2014 will be the GOP peak in the South for a while.

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http://nymag.com/press/2016/04/andrew-sullivan-joins-new-york-magazine-as-contributing-editor.html
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New York Magazine editor-in-chief Adam Moss announced today that writer Andrew Sullivan is joining the magazine as a contributing editor covering politics and the larger culture. He will write features throughout the year, and cover the 2016 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. He begins his new role today.

“I have had the privilege of working with Andrew from the beginning of his career (mine too). He is a major (deep and elegant) thinker and writer whose work has had tangible consequence, and he has written some of the more influential essays I have ever had the honor to publish. He also happens to be a true innovator―one of the first and best political writers online,” says Moss.

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I think having a white person as head of the party will help democrats re-take some lost ground in the south (in the short term) but ultimately it'll likely remain rather red. The south has really taken anger over the death of coal out on democrats, even pro-coal ones. Hillary will likely be less anti-coal than Obama but the damage has already been done. A lot of those jobs aren't coming back and it's not like congress will pass an energy bill that helps re-train workers in the near future.

Re-taking governor seats seems like an easier task simply because those elections are regulated to gerrymandered districts. NC will likely flip, for instance.

Long term though...the south will likely become bluer. As Benji said, Georgia is getting bluer. Atlanta and suburban cities are booming right now. A lot of black people are migrating back to Georgia and other southern states.

I wouldn't be stunned if in 10 years Georgia is a blue state and Michigan is a red state.
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Coal? You mean for energy? I thought the infrastructure was toward Nuclear now?

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heh, the more things change: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-bill-clinton-19931209
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Greider: The rap I've heard from Democrats — liberal, center-of-the-road Democrats in the Senate — goes like this: Clinton ignores his friends and rewards his enemies. What you need to do is stand in his way and make yourself obstreperous, then he'll take care of you.
I'd like for them to give me an example of that. I didn't make any changes not necessary to pass bills. That's the way bills are normally passed. I don't think they can make that case in terms of specific things I've agreed to do.

Greider: But do you hear that complaint face to face from them? It's pretty common on the Hill.
It's frustrating for them, because they thought that they would be in the majority. They thought that people who didn't agree with them would just roll over and vote for their bills, with no changes. There are very few legislative processes that produce no changes in laws. The answer to that was written better than I could ever write it by Richard Rothstein in [the current issue of] American Prospect. That's my answer. Go back, he said, and show me another presidency that got more done for progressive causes in less time. And that's the best I can answer.

Greider: But leave aside whether these folks on the Hill are right or not. The problem you face is one of perception, is it not?
I disagree. What does it cost us? We have all this whining. All I know is, I passed the budget … . What should I do? I should do what these ... That very perception is why we've had irresponsible leadership from presidents for the last 12 years. This was the first budget since Reagan's budget in '81 taken seriously by Congress. Why? If you try to lower the deficit by raising taxes fairly on the wealthy — after they had their taxes lowered — you make them mad, and Republicans say you're raising taxes on the middle class, anyway. If you cut spending, you can't satisfy the conservatives in your own party and the Republicans. They'll always say you're not cutting enough. But talk to [Senate Majority Leader] George Mitchell, and he will show you that Senate Republicans have voted against more specific spending cuts than the Democrats have. They want it all ways. They want to be for general spending cuts but against all the specific ones.

If you put a bill out there, in detail, you know you'll have to change it, because that's part of the process. And then your friends, who'd like it just the way it is, will attack you for changing it. That is what a democracy is all about — working through and getting one more vote than half, in whatever climate you're in, to move the ball forward.

I have taken on issues that other presidents, Democrats and Republicans, have never even thought about taking on. But presidents are not dictators. And you know, if Congressional Quarterly says I'm doing better than anybody since Eisenhower in my first term, that's my only answer. 
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Wenner: I recently reread the interview we did last year at Doe's, and I was struck, by the optimism and the hope in your campaign as it reflected not only the ideals of the '60s generation but the sense you were picking up around the country that people wanted to change. A year later, do you still feel that sense of optimism?
I'm still very optimistic, but change is hard to make and easy to misinterpret. We live in a time when the rough, rubbing sound [rubs his hands together in a gesture of greed] is more prevalent than people taking any kind of pleasure when something good happens. But I'm very, very optimistic. In some ways, I'm as optimistic as I was when we met at Doe's. And I'm frustrated by the change-averse culture of this town and by the way it reverberates out into negativism around the country. I just have to keep working on it. Eventually the results will pile up and pile up and pile up, consequences will ensue, things will change, and people will begin to grow more sunny. That's what I think will happen.

[At this point the formal sit-down interview was concluded, but as Clinton headed to the passage that connected his private dining room to the Oval Office, accompanied by Gergen, Stephanopoulos and several other aides anxious to get him to a meeting with former President Jimmy Carter, former Secretary of State James Baker and others, Greider asked one last question.] 

Greider: Believe it or not, I got a call this morning from a guy whose son was one of your Faces of Hope [one of the citizens Clinton met during the campaign and invited to the inaugural]. He was very dejected, disappointed. I told him I was coming over here to see you, and he said, "Ask him what he's willing to stand up for and die on." I think there's a feeling that —
[The president, standing a foot away from Greider, turned and glared at him.Clinton's face reddened, and his voice rose to a furious pitch as he delivered a scalding rebuke  an angry, emotional presidential encounter, the kind of which few have ever witnessed.]

But that is the press's fault, too, damn it. I have fought more damn battles here for more things than any president has in 20 years, with the possible exception of Reagan's first budget, and not gotten one damn bit of credit from the knee-jerk liberal press, and I am sick and tired of it, and you can put that in the damn article.

I have fought and fought and fought and fought. I get up here every day, and I work till late at night on everything from national service to family leave to the budget to the crime bill and all this stuff, and you guys take it and you say, "Fine, go on to something else, what else can I hit him about?" So if you convince them I don't have any conviction, that's fine, but it's a damn lie. It's a lie.

Look what I did. I said that the wealthy would have to pay their fair share, and look what we did to the tax system. I said that I'd give working families a break, and I did. People with modest incomes, look what's going to happen. Did I get any credit for it, from you or anybody else? Do I care if I get credit? No.

But I do care that that man has a false impression of me because of the way this administration has been covered. It is wrong. That's my answer. It is wrong. I have fought my guts out for that guy, and if he doesn't know it, it's not all my fault. And you get no credit around here for fighting and bleeding. And that's why the know-nothings and the do-nothings and the negative people and the right-wingers always win. Because of the way people like you put questions to people like me. Now, that's the truth, Bill. 

[At this point the president started to walk away but changed his mind and came back, still mad as hell.]

That's why they always win. And they're going to keep winning until somebody tells them the truth, that this administration is killing itself every day to help people like them and making some progress. And if you hold me to an impossible standard and never give us any credit when we're moving forward, then that's exactly what will happen, guys like that will think that. But it ain't all my fault, because we have fought our guts out for 'em. And the bad guys win because they have no objective other than to win. They shift the blame, they never take responsibility. And they play on the cynicism of the media.

That's not what I do. I come to work here every day, and I try to help that guy. And I'm sorry if I'm not very good at communicating, but I haven't gotten a hell of a lot of help since I've been here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/clinton-rocked-the-vote-now-its-rocking-him-19950223
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Historian Michael Kazin explains that young people look to political personalities who are going to help them in the future: "Clinton seemed like a positive, future-looking force to clean up the mess in 1992, but now. . .the cynicism has deepened." Indeed, some of the most devoted Clintonites — young people who either volunteered for or were eventually hired by the administration in 1992 — are wondering if he has sufficient backbone to merit their continued trust and support. Clinton's need to be "Mr. Consensus Man. . .his inability to tell people, 'Shut up, I'm going to do what I want,'" is his most important failing with her generation, says Greenfield. Twenty-seven-year-old Cari Bradsell, who volunteered for the Clinton campaign in South Carolina, echoes this view, adding that "defending Bill Clinton is getting harder and harder to do." Bradsell worries that as long as Clinton "keeps doing stupid things like his cave-in to Newt [Gingrich] on the middle-class tax cut," her generation will end up living under Republican rule for the next 20 years.

It's not Clinton's agenda for the nation that disappoints these erstwhile supporters but rather his unwillingness to stick to it when the going gets rough. Twenty-six-year-old Sarah Rose, who worked for Clinton and a variety of Florida Democratic candidates in 1992, now worries that the president "doesn't know where he's going. He doesn't seem to have a core. When the issues get tough to defend, he seems to take a dive."
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Of course, not all the Clinton crusaders have become disenchanted. Many loyalists blame anyone but, ticking off "Washington," "special interests" or the "Establishment" as the causes of the president's unpopularity. The most popular villain by far, however, is the media. Ethan Zindler, a 25-year-old Georgetown senior who helped craft Clinton's youth media strategy during the campaign, says that "the media have been unfair" to Clinton. "I worked in national service, and most people don't even know it exists," says Zindler. This has turned off young people who remain unaware of all that Clinton and company have done for them, Zindler says. "It has made me a lot more cynical to see how much he has accomplished and then see the voters kick the crap out of him for 'not getting things done.'"

Twenty-seven-year-old Nancy Bagley, who left a job working for Lorne Michaels at Saturday Night Live for the opportunity to work on the Clinton campaign, shares Zindler's perspective. "I'm angry about the administration's inability to get its message out," says a spirited Bagley. "The climate in Washington was real mean and cruel." Minutes after hanging up, Bagley calls back to say that the very act of writing an article about disaffected twentysomethings in Rolling Stone is an example of media irresponsibility. "Articles like this one," she insists, "are the reason that people my age feel the way they do."
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The colorful litigator who represented the late “D.C. madam” Deborah Palfrey and threatened this week to release call logs of his former client that he says are “very relevant” to the 2016 presidential election tells U.S. News those records already are digitized and posted online.

Montgomery Blair Sibley says the records will become public if he fails to reset a 72-hour countdown clock, which could cut short his soft two-week ultimatum for federal courts to consider lifting a 2007 gag order that covers the records, lest he deem that order void.

The countdown clock is a safeguard, Sibley says, that ensures that if he disappears the records will be published. Inevitable release, he says, may also disincentivize violent acts against him to prevent their disclosure.

The records are stored on four servers around the world, Sibley says, and dozens of reporters will receive a website link if the clock is not reset. He says he loaded the information online in January, when he decided to publicly claim the records are relevant to the presidential race.

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One twentysomething White House aide complains that young people, even more than the rest of the public, "want everything for nothing. They want it all done now, done fast, and they don't want to pay for it. There is no real tolerance or recognition that change is immensely difficult." Twenty-four-year-old Harvard senior Kate Frucher, who was the Clinton campaign's national student coordinator, concedes that no administration could live up to the hype. "We thought our ideas were going to change the world," Frucher says. "But you can't effect that kind of change in a democratic society in just two years.

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Wisconsin has suffered a great loss of jobs and trade, but if I win, all of the bad things happening in the U.S. will be rapidly reversed!
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https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/716289479879892992

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Well that backfired on Sanders

Not really. If those dates are right, she's pulling a DNC head bullshit move of putting the debate(s) on a night when most people aren't gonna watch it.

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Do politicians really care about people watching the actual debate?  I thought it was all about the free 2 min clip you get on the news everyday for a week.

And someone on reddit said the debate would be over before the NCAA finals started and the other date had nothing good on.

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Do politicians really care about people watching the actual debate?

No, because obviously if people watched them debate they wouldn't get voted for blindly and have HILLDAWG.gif memes made of them. :comeon

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SCOTT ADAMS: So when we have Trump versus Clinton, assuming they get to the final match, it's going to look like mom versus dad. Now, they're not going to say that, but in our minds we're going to start seeing them that way. And the thing about dad is that dad is kind of an a-hole, but if you need dad to take care of some trouble, he's going to be the one you call. You know, if there's a noise downstairs, you probably are not going to call mom, even if she's awesome. You're probably going to call the biggest person in the room, you're going to call dad. So in our irrational minds, if the world is exploding and we're still talking about nuclear terrorism, I think people are going to say, maybe you want the most dangerous person to protect us. If people are saying things are looking pretty good right now, the economy's not so bad, all I need is a sandwich and a hug, maybe mom looks better. So I think people end up talking about the issues and then ignoring them and it's these big, just feelings that they have about the candidates that are going to rule in the end.

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Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
« Reply #15411 on: April 02, 2016, 11:39:58 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
« Reply #15412 on: April 03, 2016, 12:46:03 AM »
LMAO. He's such a piece of shit. :lol I don't even like Hillary, but goddamn if he isn't totally playing that sexism card like it's going out of style.

She won't nuke the shit out of people like Trump, really? :lol

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No, because obviously if people watched them debate they wouldn't get voted for blindly and have HILLDAWG.gif memes made of them. :comeon

They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

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They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

WHOOSH.

I'm not talking about Sanders/Clinton. I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

WHOOSH.

I'm not talking about Sanders/Clinton. I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

i guarantee you could find a reason to discredit just about any date in april that's more compelling than "it's a few days before taxes are due!"

Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
« Reply #15416 on: April 03, 2016, 10:51:12 AM »
"they proposed that date in bad faith, that's international pancake day!"

Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
« Reply #15417 on: April 03, 2016, 10:52:30 AM »
"nope, that's competing with the season finale of ice road truckers. sorry hrc can't weasel your way out of this one."

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Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
« Reply #15419 on: April 03, 2016, 01:29:12 PM »
As far as I understood it (poorly, as a foreigner) nothing the Sanders people did was technically against the rules. Still maybe not the best image to project for your campaign.

I understand there's a big "state particularism" going on in the US but honestly the primaries system seems to be completely out of whack to a foreigner, with all the different modes (caucus, open and closed primary with weird delegate fuckery on top) thrown in. Seems counterproductive with gauging popularity evenly across the country among party supporters and / or the general public while favoring whoever is more versed in the arcane party bullshit like in this case.
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