US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE

[Mandark]

Oh yeah, the rhetoric about process and rules and southern voters is just about making excuses after the fact and maintaining a sense of persecution.

Complain about "disenfranchisement" from closed primaries while being okay with caucuses, brehs.

[Mandark]

That shit only makes sense if you append "white" in front of "working class."

[VomKriege]

I think I would be less confused if Sanders really owned the militancy of his zealots, but he seems to have been taken for a ride and not the other way around. The lack of specific policies to offer even on his key issues means he can be brandished by anyone with a chip on his shoulder and at least a modicum of leftist sentiments. He's perfectly entitled to run as as long as he pleases and can, but in practice it doesn't seem to bring anything of value at this point.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

He never expected to go far as he did.  Six months ago if you said that he did as well as he has done this primary season, nobody would believe you.  Honestly I just expected him to win his home state, some upper midwest states like Wisconsin, and that's about it.  So it's not that big of a leap to do what he is doing now because fuck it, why not?

This all comes down to having a very weak anointed front runner (Clinton).  She should be doing a lot better against a self described independent/democratic socialist from a tiny state than she is.

I think I would be less confused if Sanders really owned the militancy of his zealots, but he seems to have been taken for a ride and not the other way around. The lack of specific policies to offer even on his key issues means he can be brandished by anyone with a chip on his shoulder and at least a modicum of leftist sentiments. He's perfectly entitled to run as as long as he pleases and can, but in practice it doesn't seem to bring anything of value at this point.

Why would he need to own them?  Why does he need to drop out?  What does Clinton intend to do to bring over Sanders supporters?

Hillary supporters need to understand that they're backing an exceptionally poor candidate this time around and that she's going to have a hard time keeping the Democrat coalition together for the general.  No amount of snark and whiny pundit rants will change this fact.

[Mandark]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/

In a CNN poll released Friday, 60 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama, but 17 percent said they would vote for McCain and 22 percent, said they would not vote at all if Clinton were not the nominee.

[VomKriege]

Why would he need to own them?  Why does he need to drop out?  What does Clinton intend to do to bring over Sanders supporters?

I never said he needed to own them, but right now he is neither disavowing or endorsing them and it seems a lot like he wants his cake and eat it too. Likewise I never said he had to drop out, just that even as a way to keep his ideas alive as long as possible I'm not certain he is bringing anything of value now. As for what Clinton intends to do, your guess is as good as mine, but it will probably be a mixture of lip service and nothing as I suspect most of Sanders supporters will fall in line come the general election (esp. with Trump) even with no incentives and the rest is too far gone for Clinton to reach them from her position.

[Samson Manhug]

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

[VomKriege]

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

It wouldn't benefit him as a candidate (but at that point nothing really would, wouldn't it ?), it could benefit his message however and it not being treated as pest in upcoming elections. I mean, we all know that Sanders is not Lenin, he's not gonna call for a national strike or outright overthrowing the "corrupt establishment"*. At the end of the day and in the foreseeable future, Sanders (and the more radical ideas & militants he currently represents) needs the support of the Democratic party more than the party needs them.

* I don't believe he could, or even wish, really brute force the DNC. His campaign is grandstanding, IMHO.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I like how Trump is trying to get Sanders to run 3rd party, that's solid politics 

[Mandark]

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

Well, hopefully he himself would be against harassing women on its own merits?

Besides, this isn't about the "radical left," it's about his supporters.  His candidacy is their cause, and he's been feeding a bullshit sense of grievance that the nomination is being somehow stolen by someone who's gotten way more votes than he has, because... closed primaries?  "Conservative" southern voters?  I dunno.

There are limits on how much you can hold a candidate responsible for the actions of their supporters, but I'm not going to set a lower standard for him than I do for Trump, ffs.

[Phoenix Dark]

While I don't think Hillary is a strong candidate let's be fair: she was never in peril of losing to Sanders, she is 3mil votes ahead of him, 300+ pledged delegates, and has run the better campaign. Sanders almost only beating her in lily white states/churning out big college voter numbers doesn't really prove she is the weak candidate in the race.

I think Hillary is lucky to be up against arguably the worst US presidential candidate of all time but I don't buy the idea that she can't hold the coalition. The coalition is about demographics and math, not just "I love Obama." Black turnout is going to basically be the same as it was in 2012, Hispanic turnout will be higher than 2012. Those two things alone would put Hilary in position to win regardless of her opponent.

[Kara]

The product differentiation (to use the analytical language of this indecorous age) of democratic socialism is that it's "more moral" in its conduct than other formations of socialism. So when you have an ostensibly democratic socialist not holding himself and his campaign to a higher moral standard it sort of defeats the purpose of backing the formation of socialism least likely to accomplish anything. (Sure social democrats eviscerate hard won welfare programs and send young members of the proletariat to murder other members of the proletariat and be murdered themselves in needless wars in the name of cynical electoral calculus, but by Marx they get shit done.)

A reason why I write-in Eugene Debs for any office a Democrat is assured the win is because I consider him perhaps the only moral politician in American history, and even that's if I ignore the way that he treated his wife. (Have fault divorce only brehs.)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The other reason is that having a dead guy hold office would bring some much needed DPRK flair to the U.S.

[close]

[octopushover]

These aren't just any random Sanders supporters either. These are his delegates. Like, the people chosen to represent him at a convention.

[brawndolicious]

If he's going to really campaign until the DC primary then probably the best time to make a "tone it down"  statement and give Hillary an endorsement is after June 7th when it'll be mathematically impossible to win the nomination. At that point he gets to make due on his obligations to the DNC but still stay in the race with dignity and make an impression for a little bit longer.

I mean I would guess he's going to get beaten hard in DC anyways but it's about gaining (positive) attention.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 26m26 minutes ago Washington, DC
Okay, so you don't like closed primaries. Clinton won 12 open primaries for a net-287 delegates. All S wins (closed/open/caucus) = net-226

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 34m34 minutes ago Washington, DC
If the nation of Canada were permitted to vote in the Dem primary and it voted like Oregon, Clinton would still have a 200 pledged del. lead

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 39m39 minutes ago Washington, DC
Sanders could catch up to Clinton in pledged delegates if there were 30 more Oregons left to vote.

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 43m43 minutes ago Washington, DC
Sanders netted 226 dels in 21 wins. Clinton canceled that with 5 wins for 244 dels: NY/FL/TX/GA/VA. She then won 23 more for net-254 dels.

 

[tiesto]

While I don't think Hillary is a strong candidate let's be fair: she was never in peril of losing to Sanders, she is 3mil votes ahead of him, 300+ pledged delegates, and has run the better campaign. Sanders almost only beating her in lily white states/churning out big college voter numbers doesn't really prove she is the weak candidate in the race.

I think Hillary is lucky to be up against arguably the worst US presidential candidate of all time but I don't buy the idea that she can't hold the coalition. The coalition is about demographics and math, not just "I love Obama." Black turnout is going to basically be the same as it was in 2012, Hispanic turnout will be higher than 2012. Those two things alone would put Hilary in position to win regardless of her opponent.

I think Hillary's weaker against Trump in the rust-belt swing states than Sanders is. Even if Hillary dominated the South (which will go to Trump anyways) and high-population urban Democratic states, these won't be where the election is won. (though NY and FL could possibly go Trump...) Working class independents who may have voted for Bernie might choose the guy who wants to "bring the factories back" (regardless of the feasibility of this) over someone they see as a corporate stooge in bed with Wall Street.

I do think the DNC has done an abysmal job of getting the independents, progressives, and newly-minted voters who supported Sanders into the fray. It's anecdotal, considering where I live, but I know very few people -excited- about voting for Hillary, a few Bernie supporters that will concede and vote Hillary (myself included), a lot of Bernie or Busts, and a ton of Independents/Republicans who have united around Trump, if they weren't already there in the first place.

[Tasty]

Hilary may be weaker than Sanders in the rust belt but she's still way stronger with over-30s, minorities, and women.

Sanders would have to do way more to attract Hillary voters if he won the nom than Hillary will have to for Sanders voters.

Also, you hear about Bernie supporters more IRL because of the demographics you've surrounded yourself with, and because that demo is more loud/excitable about politics in general (though turn out to vote in fewer numbers, relatively.)

[Trent Dole]

Bernie is the best candidate to win because he has the support of the people least likely to show up at the polls! Well, in a way that argument is valid. The more the youth vote shows up the better it is for the left, unfortunately if you go too far left (which some argue he does) you alienate older folks and thus the gain is somewhat moot.

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-secret-history-of-isis/ 

[sarslip]

I wouldn't vote for this guy just because of the righthand side taskbar. Scust.

5:1 says he has no idea how it got there or how to move it back

[Human Snorenado]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/don-willett-trump-twitter

Don Willett, one of the judges named by Donald Trump Wednesday as a possible pick for the nation's highest court, is best known as a conservative justice on the Texas Supreme Court. But for those on legal Twitter, he is also known to be pretty funny. Willett's Twitter feed is a glorious litany of clever memes, silly gifs and 140-character jokes. Not surprisingly (though, now, ironically) some of those jokes have been made at Trump's expense and have mocked the outrageous twists his campaign has taken.

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/733016924800552960

whew

Amazing how Bernie's entire campaign seems based on the premise that it's still 2007/2008.

[Mandark]

The folks at Jacobin have been coming at Bouie for saying racism is an obstacle to an unified working class identity.

It's still weird to me (and probably to most of us who closely followed the '08 primaries at the time) to see another demographically-split nomination fight with Hillary Clinton, only this time she's got the bulk of the black vote.

There's apparently a National Journal article from 2014 where Sanders explicitly says the white working class is the key demographic, and maybe uses the phrase "revolution" for what he hopes to come from his candidacy.  I'm thinking I was wrong when I explained his lack of building bridges to black voters as "he didn't think he'd win anyways."  Never underestimate the self-belief of someone who runs for president.

[CajoleJuice]

I've wanted to subscribe to Jacobin for a while just for the pretty covers.

[benjipwns]

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  3h3 hours ago
It's just preening narcissism and social positioning. Studio gangsterism for Twitter "radicals" with no sense of perspective.

 Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  3h3 hours ago
"Liberals are the real enemies of progress! Ignore the organized & reactionary right-wing that's threatens any basis for social democracy!"

 Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  3h3 hours ago
Somehow, I don't think health workers in, say, Petersburg, VA, see *liberals* as their enemy.

Class Traitor

[benjipwns]

There's apparently a National Journal article from 2014 where Sanders explicitly says the white working class is the key demographic, and maybe uses the phrase "revolution" for what he hopes to come from his candidacy.

I don't have a login, but this might be the article...the headline 
https://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/2014/06/18/im-right-everybody-else-is-wrong-clear-about-that

edit: from elsewhere quoting this article:

Sanders is kind of known for cutting off interviewers. Here he is in 2014 objecting to National Journal reporter Simon Van Zuylen-Wood's assessment that "old white guys" building the 2015 progressive base runs counter to where Democrats want to take their party:

"Who told you that?" he scoffs. "I'm talking from a little bit of experience. I did get 71 percent of the vote in my state. And despite popular conception—with all due respect to my friends in California, Northern California, where you have wealthy liberals who support me and I appreciate that—Vermont is a working-class state. So I'm glad you raised that, because your analysis is incorrect. And I'm right and everybody else is wrong. Clear about that?"

"...Sanders has indicated he's willing to use his fire-and-brimstone act not simply to influence a presidential election, but also to lay the groundwork for something of a "political revolution." "Let me ask you," he says, his gangly frame struggling to contain itself to our couch, "what is the largest voting bloc in America? Is it gay people? No. Is it African-Americans? No. Hispanics? No. What?" Answer: "White working-class people." Bring them back into the liberal fold, he figures, and you've got your revolution...

"He totally changed Burlington from a place that was run by cronyism and the old-boys network for the benefit of the developers and the business community," says Ben & Jerry's cofounder Ben Cohen, who opened up shop in town shortly before Sanders assumed office...
... Sanders, to use the early 20th-century term of art, governed more as a "sewer socialist" than a genuine radical...

...Clearly, a Sanders presidential campaign would be a tempestuous affair. As Graff puts it, "He has no social skills." The media, specifically, would be likely to find itself on the receiving end of his wrath. That's because Sanders—like many true believers of all political inclinations—doesn't have lot of patience for those who want to question him. "His idea of coverage is just: Report what he said," Graff explains. "And if he says it, it's important."

...Warren and Sanders, on substance, disagree about basically nothing. They both grew up working-class. Each has a loyal progressive following. (Sanders, for what it's worth, has more than double her Twitter followers.) Yet, watching Warren charm Charlie Rose, the differences between the two are clear. Warren speaks in a way that is designed to persuade and convert. Sanders, by contrast, proudly touts the tedium of his own rhetoric. He just wants you to eat your vegetables..."

edit for kara: I think it was on GAF where some guy thought "sewer socialist" was some "clever" insult I had invented.

[benjipwns]

THE RENEGADES demand John Bolton/Joe Lieberman at the 2016 RNC!

[Mandark]

It's Not Wrong to Be White

The author hits "black people also owned slaves!" and "MLK would agree with me" in back-to-back paragraphs.  It's like it was written by one of those learning AIs, with the goal of trolling PD.

Published in the magazine that is aghast at Donald Trump stealing their party.

[benjipwns]

[Phoenix Dark]

I agree with Mandark, that quote changes my perspective of his run. And it also re-enforces the view that at his core he is little more than an ideological absolutist. The vast majority of "liberal" or center left/right progress over the last 50-60 years is the product of compromise and coalition building. Instead of focusing on getting as many like minded people a seat at the table as possible in order to influence the order, Sanders, Tea Partiers, libertarians, etc are more interested in burning down the restaurant and starting from scratch.

You can rail about the ACA being the product of "corruption" all you want but the reality is that it's the product of there being more Blanche Lincoln's than Sherrod Browns' in congress/senate. And guess what, it still passed in decent enough fashion to literally save the lives of a ton of people.

[benjipwns]

It's Not Wrong to Be White

I can’t recall the first time I heard the phrase “white male” hissed as if it were some form of particularly vile insult. I know it happened in law school, where it was used as a short-hand way of saying that I should be silent, that my views were not welcome.
...
It was tough even to talk about, say, Omaha Beach without in the next breath acknowledging the systematic segregation in the World War II-era U.S. Army.

What a weird example.

The answer to misguided identity politics isn’t more misguided identity politics.

Indeed, race obsession obscures the far more important discussion of culture. If you think, for example, that there’s a single monolithic “black” culture, talk to a recent Nigerian immigrant who’s experiencing his own culture clash — even while surrounded by black Americans. If there is one “white” culture, why are there such enduring and profound differences between Germans and Greeks?

Why is he bringing misguided identity politics into this?!? Hey SJW, human lives matter.

Mandark Trigger Warning for NRO Comments:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mike • 2 hours ago
Whites have done more to improve life on this planet, than any other race. You're welcome.

Genna2 • an hour ago
It's also not wrong to be:

Christian
Conservative
Republican

When did we become a nation where only one side has a voice that can be heard without offending someone about something? When one side offends, it's free speech we might not like, but speech we have a duty to defend. When the other side offends, it's hate speech that must be silenced.

jb • 2 hours ago
From the year 700 until 1490, Africans enslaved and occupied portugal spain parts of france and italy. Where are my damn reparations for these 700 years?

6000 years ago africans built the pyramids. Nothing since.

[close]

[Mandark]

"Well, since I posted this before benji could get to it, at least the thread will be spared a few block quotes."

hahaha, after all these years I'm still an optimist at heart

[benjipwns]

“Will [Donald Trump] have some appeal to working-class Dems in Levittown or Bristol? Sure,” said Ed Rendell, the former Pennsylvania governor and Philadelphia mayor, who won landslides in the suburbs. “For every one he’ll lose 1½, two Republican women. Trump’s comments like ‘You can’t be a 10 if you’re flat-chested,’ that’ll come back to haunt him. There are probably more ugly women in America than attractive women. People take that stuff personally.”

[Phoenix Dark]

I got home from work with some Taco Bell. Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics. Now I see that National Review article. I'm going to just enjoy my Taco Bell and let it raise my blood pressure/sodium  instead of letting that other shit raise my blood pressure.

Not clicking the article, not clicking the Blake Lively hot takes.

but I did read the comments Benji posted

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm pretty sure Illmatic came out after the pyramids were built 

[close]

[benjipwns]

"Well, since I posted this before benji could get to it, at least the thread will be spared a few block quotes."

hahaha, after all these years I'm still an optimist at heart

[benjipwns]

Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics.

https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/733083313397587968/photo/1

[Mupepe]

I like Blake Lively

[benjipwns]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

But with some time to reflect on the problem, I also wonder if there’s been too much #datajournalist self-flagellation. Trump is one of the most astonishing stories in American political history. If you really expected the Republican front-runner to be bragging about the size of his anatomy in a debate, or to be spending his first week as the presumptive nominee feuding with the Republican speaker of the House and embroiled in a controversy over a tweet about a taco salad, then more power to you. Since relatively few people predicted Trump’s rise, however, I want to think through his nomination while trying to avoid the seduction of hindsight bias. What should we have known about Trump and when should we have known it?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/politics/jeff-weaver-debbie-wasserman-schultz-throwing-shade/

Bernie Sanders' campaign manager slammed Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Wednesday after she told CNN the Vermont senator did not do enough to condemn his supporters' behavior at the party's Nevada convention.

"We can have a long conversation about Debbie Wasserman Schultz just about how she's been throwing shade on the Sanders campaign from the very beginning," Jeff Weaver told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day" about the Democratic National Committee chairwoman.

"It's not the DNC. By and large, people in the DNC have been good to us. Debbie Wasserman Schultz really is the exception," Weaver added.

"My response to that is hashtag SMH (shake my head)," Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/steve-king-calls-for-civil-disobedience-on-obama-restroom-gu

“We should call for civil disobedience here,” King told Iowa radio host Simon Conway. “And there’s no reason for us to follow an unconstitutional edict from the president, who is on his way out the door.”

King reiterated that he plans to hold hearings on the topic, adding that he believed that the root of the administration’s policy lay in new U.S. Commission on Civil Rights personnel needing “to find more things to do.”

“More personnel needed to find more things to do and that is the root of this school policy or where Obama got it from,” King said. “So we’re going to explore that more fully. I need to be more astute at how movements begin. The genesis of these kinds of policies. So that we can go find them before they proliferate and become contagious across the countryside.”

Earlier in the interview, the host speculated that his two daughters would likely not shower in the gym if transgender women were allowed into the women’s changing room.

“Well, and that will probably change our culture,” King responded. “We’ll have a bunch of sweaty women around.”

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Andrew Erwin · Overland Park, Kansas
Right, but Obama getting in front of everyone and bringing this issue even more to the forefront of our society isn't wasting precious little time that could be used on other things?

Emily Ramirez · Riverside City College
Andrew Erwin Human rights and citizens rights are never a waist of time. What an unamerican thing to say.

Andrew Erwin · Overland Park, Kansas
Emily Ramirez You mischaracterized what i said completely. To say i am unamerican because i have a different opinion than you makes you a horrible person

[close]

[Kara]

edit for kara: I think it was on GAF where some guy thought "sewer socialist" was some "clever" insult I had invented.

The end of history.

And Cajole this is a Monthly Review house; if you want to subscribe to Jacobin you can subscribe to it when you're living on your own. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector. *flicks open a prop newspaper dad style*

[Great Rumbler]

All the noise being made over the Nevada Convention is mind-boggling, when you consider that there were only 2 delegates at stake to begin with. 

[benjipwns]

I'm going to read about how the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector. *flicks open a prop newspaper dad style*

Adblocker detected! Please consider reading this notice.
You appear to be using AdBlock Plus or some other adblocking software. Unfortunately, adblocking software will disable the search functionality of this website, and possibly cause other errors. Monthly Review does not even post any ads on its site so please add monthlyreview.org to your ad blocking whitelist so the site functions properly. Thank you.

social fascists 

[benjipwns]

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:


the gays for trump guy and all the old people 

also the guy demanding answers from Joe 

  The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage

[Mandark]

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector.

This is the party line of Prole's FB wall.

[bluemax]

Today in Bernie Stans:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/primary-results-highlights/

Apparently the headline is BS because Hilary barely won or something.

[Kara]

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector.

This is the party line of Prole's FB wall.

When I opened my copy of that issue (they usually mail them in discreet cellophane wrapping, which I as an underground communist appreciate--I live with registered Green Party members after all) I'm not going to lie, I did sigh and roll my eyes a little at the branding and presentation of the topic.

It's still an article with 35+ real sources (I noticed there were quite a few citations of articles from the magazine itself, so I subtracted an arbitrary number from the 51 official citations to account for this incestuousness) that paints a pretty cohesive (if conspiratorial) history of the current healthcare system.

[benjipwns]

We were therefore pleased to discover that the concept of “surveillance capitalism” has now entered the mainstream and is drawing considerable attention, through the work of Shoshana Zuboff, emeritus professor at the Harvard Business School. Zuboff first took up the issue in a 2015 article in the Journal of Information Technology, entitled “Big Other: Surveillance Capitalism and the Prospects of an Information Civilization,” where she pointed to “the new logic of accumulation of what I call surveillance capitalism.” She failed, however, to mention the prior treatment of “surveillance capitalism” in Monthly Review, despite the fact that her analysis was written in November 2014—judging by her accessing of numerous articles on the Internet on that date—four months after the MR issue was published and posted online. In a March 27, 2016, article in the Frankfurter Allgemeine, entitled “The Secrets of Surveillance Capitalism,” Zuboff again writes of “what I call ‘surveillance capitalism,'” while still neglecting to give even bare mention to MR‘s previous, more developed treatment of this same concept nearly two years before.

It's still an article with 35+ real sources (I noticed there were quite a few citations of articles from the magazine itself, so I subtracted an arbitrary number from the 51 official citations to account for this incestuousness) that paints a pretty cohesive (if conspiratorial) history of the current healthcare system.

Nine of them are his own articles or from his yet to be published book on the topic too. A bunch of them are also from Physicians for a National Health Program.

and practices internal medicine part-time in rural New Mexico and Illinois

better be for socially-necessary work certificates only 

[Kara]

I haven't read the last 3 issues cover to cover and I'm a subscriber. MR pls.

[Kara]

BTW benji don't think I didn't see you at stage 1 of the Tour of California.

[Joe Molotov]

A .org address, what was lp.us taken?

[benjipwns]

Penn moderated a debate on Monday: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/31988038/libertarian-candidates-square-off-in-las-vegas-debate

lol jesse ventura's son has a show on RT and acts just like his dad

[Kara]

A .org address, what was lp.us taken?

Why would a party that breaks bread with RT have a .us domain? They're clearly unamerican.

[VomKriege]

Penn moderated a debate on Monday: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/31988038/libertarian-candidates-square-off-in-las-vegas-debate

lol jesse ventura's son has a show on RT and acts just like his dad

Where are the muscles at tho ?

 

[benjipwns]

Those are some of the candidates shut out from the OFFICIAL DEBATES by the LIBERTARIAN PARTY ESTABLISHMENT!

The Johnson/McAfee/Petersen trio are the only ones who have been allowed on the big stages like STOSSEL and PENN/THE BLAZE/LP!

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

[Kara]

Those are some of the candidates shut out from the OFFICIAL DEBATES by the LIBERTARIAN PARTY ESTABLISHMENT!

It's like the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

[benjipwns]

Greens also did a debate on RT:


Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rJVdd_HO0

edit: Jill Stein got a better haircut, Hillary is doomed confirmed

[benjipwns]

[brawndolicious]

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:


the gays for trump guy and all the old people 

also the guy demanding answers from Joe 

  The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage

Most unusual thing in the video was learning that bears are usually bottoms. I never would have thought that.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics.

(Image removed from quote.)
https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/733083313397587968/photo/1

Got to listen to some Wu now

[Purrp Skirrp]

[octopushover]

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:


the gays for trump guy and all the old people 

also the guy demanding answers from Joe 

  The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage

Most unusual thing in the video was learning that bears are usually bottoms. I never would have thought that.

Booboo