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[benjipwns]

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

Thing is Strom Thurmond was the only one who did change parties. Most of the swaps like Phil Gramm, Richard Shelby, etc. all were elected in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

And the South's status as a GOP stronghold has been oversold by focus on the Presidency and may be running out of steam. The GOP wasn't even a viable party in the South until the 1980's, and didn't start controlling state houses until the 2000s.

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism. The northern Reagan Democrats abandoned at about the same time because of the McGovern-Mondale-Jackson "hard-left" swing of the Democrats outside of History's Greatest Monster.

"Law and order" was definitely a coded statement about the race riots, that's the entire reason Agnew got on the ticket despite being a Rockefeller Republican, he stood up against the black establishment in Maryland so he became acceptable in the South even though he was easily less conservative than Nixon.

[benjipwns]

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

Thing is Strom Thurmond was the only one who did change parties. Most of the swaps like Phil Gramm, Richard Shelby, etc. all were elected in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

And the South's status as a GOP stronghold has been oversold by focus on the Presidency and may be running out of steam. The GOP wasn't even a viable party in the South until the 1980's, and didn't start controlling state houses until the 2000s.

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism. The northern Reagan Democrats abandoned at about the same time because of the McGovern-Mondale-Jackson "hard-left" swing of the Democrats outside of History's Greatest Monster.

"Law and order" was definitely a coded statement about the race riots, that's the entire reason Agnew got on the ticket despite being a Rockefeller Republican, he stood up against the black establishment in Maryland so he became acceptable in the South even though he was easily less conservative than Nixon.

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/tulsi-gabbard-superdelegate-petition-224220

The Democratic presidential primary process may be ending next Tuesday, but the fight among Bernie Sanders supporters to rid the party of superdelegates and install new leadership at the Democratic National Committee is not.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard encouraged her followers on Saturday to sign a petition ending the Democratic Party’s use of superdelegates.

“Whether you are a Bernie Sanders supporter or a Hillary Clinton supporter, we should all agree that unelected party officials and lobbyists should not have a say in who the presidential nominee of our party is,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “That should be left up to the voters.”

Gabbard resigned as a vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee in February to publicly endorse the Vermont senator’s campaign.

Gabbard isn’t alone in the fight: The West Virginia Democratic Party at its state convention Saturday passed a resolution calling for the elimination of superdelegates, or that superdelegates be required “in each state to vote in the same relative proportion as the elected delegates of the state they represent.”

Sanders defeated Clinton in the May 10 West Virginia Democratic primary, 51.4 percent to 35.8 percent. He picked up 18 delegates; Clinton picked up 11, according to the Associated Press.

The party also passed a resolution calling for the resignation of DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

“… If she does not resign in a timely manner, we call on the Democratic National Committee [to] take whatever steps are necessary and proper to remove her and install a new Chairperson,” the resolution reads.

[Mandark]

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism.

nah

[I'm a Puppy!]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

[brawndolicious]

If he becomes a Republican martyr before being slaughtered by Hillary, that would be very, very bad for this country.

[TakingBackSunday]

Can we please just keep Obama please

[benjipwns]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3993058-155/poll-trumps-unpopularity-could-swing-utahns

Donald Trump's brash swagger and outlandish behavior have made him so unpopular in Utah that a new poll shows the state could swing to Hillary Clinton in November, potentially becoming the first time in 52 years that a Democrat has won the Beehive State.

Clinton and Trump are knotted at 35 percent, with five months of campaigning remaining before the election, according to the survey conducted for The Salt Lake Tribune and the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah.

Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson draws 13 percent, a remarkably strong showing for the candidate who garnered 1.2 percent as the party's candidate four years ago.

The_Unbeliever • 19 hours ago
That it's not a landslide for Hillary tells me everything I need to know about Utah. I was in the waiting room of a car repair shop the other day and listened to a man tell me that he knew for a fact Hillary is going to prison because of Benghazi, another informed me that people work for minimum wage because they are too lazy to better themselves. It seems to me that often the more Christian someone says they are, the less Christian they act and sometimes the more stupid they seem.
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[curly]

FOIA is fucking garbage.

 

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

two things have surprised me about Trump so far...

#1 that he hasn't yet dropped a full-on slur into a hot mike
#2 that he hasn't yet received a serious attempt on his life

I fully agree. I even kind of think if in the unlikely event that brought him to the presidency, that he wouldn't last long before somebody frags his ass. Hate breeds hate, and if the Secret Service can't be arsed to keep the first black president completely safe, I fail to see how they defend the orange rage magnet against any one out of millions of people he's antagonizing who decides they have nothing else to lose.

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

two things have surprised me about Trump so far...

#1 that he hasn't yet dropped a full-on slur into a hot mike
#2 that he hasn't yet received a serious attempt on his life

I fully agree. I even kind of think if in the unlikely event that brought him to the presidency, that he wouldn't last long before somebody frags his ass. Hate breeds hate, and if the Secret Service can't be arsed to keep the first black president completely safe, I fail to see how they defend the orange rage magnet against any one out of millions of people he's antagonizing who decides they have nothing else to lose.

I keep wondering if they'll have something like Olympus Has Fallen, but we're all rooting for Rick Yune or Dylan McDermott.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Bernie Sanders making John Edwards seem fair and balanced 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I hope this election brings out more pictures of vintage Hillary.

(Image removed from quote.)

 

Which one is she in that pic?

[seagrams hotsauce]

Bernie Sanders making John Edwards seem fair and balanced 

[Trent Dole]

Did a quick search and still not sure what AiA is referring to.

[Human Snorenado]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-chris-christie-manservant-mcdonalds

“[Christie] has transformed himself into a sort of manservant, who is constantly with Trump at events,” Ryan Lizza wrote in the magazine’s June 20 issue. Lizza also said one anonymous Republican source told him a friend on Trump’s campaign “used Snapchat to send him a video of Christie fetching Trump’s McDonald’s order.”

[Great Rumbler]

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-washington-post-credentials-224281

No brakes on the Trump Train. 

[Trent Dole]

Wow I'm so surprised that he's previously banned Univision.

[Great Rumbler]

Remember a few weeks ago when people were seriously suggesting that Trump was going to settle down and start acting more Presidential with the GOP nomination finally locked up?

[Phoenix Dark]

He couldn't even sit back and watch the terrorist attack play out in his favor. Maybe just give his condolences, affirm he's going to destroy ISIS, mention now is again the time to ban Muslim immigration, etc. Instead he congratulated himself, accused Obama of being a terrorist, and made one of the worst foreign policy speeches ever. Oh and he yanked the WaPo's press pass thus making it a story.

[Samson Manhug]

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/742707788858679296

Trump has made Utah a battleground state, brehs

[Tasty]

Trump gonna get BTFO in November and I'll have this face the entire time:

[helios]

[mormapope]

Anderson Cooper roasted her in the most professional and intelligent way possible

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/742707788858679296

Trump has made Utah a battleground state, brehs

Probably because of how hard he fights for the LGBT community.

[zomgee]

Big Trump Tent

[Atramental]

Big Trump Tent

Which also happens to be an extra pair of Chris Christie's pants. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Kara
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/742842478009679873

[Kara]

It's nice to know that public service will always be a viable career path for me.

[Phoenix Dark]

edit: I should clarify yea a lot of stealing was going on but that's not something you say as a presidential candidate

[Madrun Badrun]

I wondered how Bis could afford ab implants.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/newt-gingrich-house-un-american-activities-committee/index.html?ofs=fbia

SMH

[CatsCatsCats]

Seriously had it with the gun nuts on Facebook. Buh buh semi auto! Like shit like this isn't around to make that distinction meaningless http://m.

[Tasty]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

[CatsCatsCats]

I want to argue with you about that but first let me change my profile pic to a lifted 4x4

[Joe Molotov]

edit: I should clarify yea a lot of stealing was going on but that's not something you say as a presidential candidate

Man, is Three Kings on Netflix? I'd rewatch that.

[brawndolicious]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Don't discount how deadly handguns can be in mass shootings, they're easier to reload. I actually think most of the victims at Sandy Hook were shot with a pistol rather than the AR15.

Plus I'm sure you know that handguns are the main weapon for homicide and all that so they really are the biggest problem and have to be dealt with somehow. Even as little as a universal background check system would be a step forward.

[Tasty]

One step at a time. The original draft of that post just said shotguns.

[brawndolicious]

Sorry, I definitely didn't want to imply that you would want to take the easiest solution. There's just a lot to get confused by when it comes to how guns can be used and state-by-state laws which puts it on the level of the Israel-Palestine debate as far as being a clusterfuck where everyone has an intuitive solution but then the problem goes on for years and years which honestly makes me depressed to do more than explain whatever background facts that I can.

And I hardly am an expert on either issue or see a real path forward.

[benjipwns]

Man, is Three Kings on Netflix? I'd rewatch that.

Doesn't appear to be available for "free" streaming anywhere, $3 on Amazon/iTunes/YouTube/etc.

I'm am tweeting Trump about this horse shit, he can get it done unlike Corrupt Hillary and Crazy Bernie, Make America Great Again with free Three Kings streaming for all citizens.

[Boogie]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Handguns and shotguns can be semi-auto too. 

[benjipwns]

yeah, semi-automatic just means it fires every time you pull the trigger

you don't have to manually load the next shot like with say a bolt-action or some kind of old timey revolver where you have to spin the action

automatic firearms are already heavily restricted in the united states and have been since the 1930s, you have to go through the ATF and such...thanks prohibition

(disclaimer: 96% of my gun knowledge and usage comes from world war i and ii era firearms)

[Cerveza mas fina]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

[Boogie]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

[Mupepe]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

I agree with this. The defense angle always reeks of "I wish I could have a Rambo moment and shoot someone"

[Cerveza mas fina]

Makes sense to me. Hunting rifle is also something you can really check up on if the person hunts.

[octopushover]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

like i'm supposed to believe a cop from toronto doesn't work any paid overtime.

 

[Rufus]

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/742851199838355456

Justify your actions like honest to god movie villains, CIA brehs.

This is the case he's talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri#Abduction_and_CIA_torture_in_Macedonia

[Boogie]

I was being rhetorical. 

[Kara]

Only allow blunderbusses and you have to dress like a Pilgrim even if you're concealed carrying the pistol size type.

[mormapope]

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Handguns and shotguns can be semi-auto too. 

Shotguns can also be magazine fed.

I also agree with the self defense reasoning stated by people being some sort of Rambo fantasy. Guns are really fun to shoot and its a neat hobby to have, but you're sort of a pussy if you feel you need to be armed at all times.

[Rufus]

I wonder if gun nuts who imagine all sorts of rad self-defense scenarios do as much prevention in other (more realistic) areas. My gut says no, but who knows.

[Kara]

I guarantee no one would dress like a Pilgrim in order to be prepared for a shootout that will never happen, it's why I added it to my gun control proposal.

[Mupepe]

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Russia says they might release the hacked emails once the Kremlin gives it the go ahead.

Also Russia apparently hacked the DNC and stole documents about Donald Trump.

The fuckery this election is so intense that there's no turning back now.  Too many bells that can't be unrung after November, regardless of who wins.

[Brehvolution]

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

[CatsCatsCats]

http://m.

[Trent Dole]

http://m.

This would be funny if it weren't for

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

Shit is genuinely disturbing at this point.

[Madrun Badrun]

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

Give your bunker mate a choice in the matter 

[Kara]

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

I'm sure those open carry yahoos are paid up on their long-term care premiums, their supplemental catastrophic insurance premiums, fully funded on their retirement for the year, and all the other risk mitigation tools available to individuals.