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« Reply #18540 on: August 11, 2016, 05:41:54 PM »
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« Reply #18541 on: August 11, 2016, 05:44:46 PM »
Call me crazy but I almost wish Trump wasn't such a dumpster fire. I mean I want him hated, want his party to turn against him, but just not so much almost everyone turns against him outside his fervent core.

If he turns into the pariah of the party he is trending toward, even losing some of his earlier support, it will be much easier for them to forget, rebuild, distance themselves from his words and move on.

I want a prolonged civil war that tears this party apart. The Republicans deserve it.







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« Reply #18542 on: August 11, 2016, 05:46:10 PM »
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« Reply #18543 on: August 11, 2016, 05:55:28 PM »
Call me crazy but I almost wish Trump wasn't such a dumpster fire. I mean I want him hated, want his party to turn against him, but just not so much almost everyone turns against him outside his fervent core.

If he turns into the pariah of the party he is trending toward, even losing some of his earlier support, it will be much easier for them to forget, rebuild, distance themselves from his words and move on.

I want a prolonged civil war that tears this party apart. The Republicans deserve it.

As long as they ignore the underlying causes that led to Trump (decades of misinformation and stoking racial grievances) then they'll continue to be fucked as a party.
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« Reply #18544 on: August 11, 2016, 06:00:49 PM »
As long as the Republican party keeps being racist/maligning anybody who isn't a white male, they will keep going down the same path which is good for Democrats based on the the demographic trends.

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« Reply #18545 on: August 11, 2016, 06:21:04 PM »


As long as they ignore the underlying causes that led to Trump (decades of misinformation and stoking racial grievances) then they'll continue to be fucked as a party.

Long-term absolutely.

I think without a major rift to divide the party they can successfully drag their feet on reform for a little while longer doing what they have been doing(winning midterms, state elections, gerrymandering, voter suppression, model state legislation, successfully poisoning the well of discourse through obstructionism) and really hinder the next 2-4 years.

What worries me is the scenario where they can fairly easily push aside Trump and his movement without too much inner-party blowback and once again rally around the common enemy of the president and start clawing back and making gains in 2018 and then 2020. Putting everything quickly back into gridlock.

If they are in disarray it would be very hard for them to do that IMO.

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« Reply #18546 on: August 11, 2016, 06:27:53 PM »
I think for the short term things will probably continue as they have been with Democrats being strong during presidential election years and then completely dropping the ball during mid-term elections. I wish Democrats would make a stronger effort during mid-terms but the reality is that people completely tune out during those times. Which leaves a smaller subset of active fox news types to go vote.

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« Reply #18547 on: August 11, 2016, 06:40:51 PM »
Trump's still got a lock on roughly 50% of the GOP base, and that's not going to really change no matter how much a dumpster fire his campaign becomes. That's not something that the party leadership can just ignore, even if they can somehow kick Trump to the curb and retain the House and Senate. The anger and hatred that's been stoked over the past 8 years especially will still be there and Hillary presidency, even hobbled by a opposition Congress, will keep things nice and hot. And party leadership abandoning Trump won't help things, not when Trump is likely to do everything he can to pin his loss on Democratic cheating and Republican cowardice.

But the biggest blow we're likely to see to the GOP in the short-term is the collapse of Fox News as a PR firm and means of keeping party members on message. I don't really think you can overvalue what they've done to energize the GOP base, promote conservative ideas, and push right-win narratives. When that finally comes crashing down, and I think it will within the next year, the loss is going to be almost immediately felt.
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« Reply #18548 on: August 11, 2016, 06:43:00 PM »
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I think for the short term things will probably continue as they have been with Democrats being strong during presidential election years and then completely dropping the ball during mid-term elections. I wish Democrats would make a stronger effort during mid-terms but the reality is that people completely tune out during those times. Which leaves a smaller subset of active fox news types to go vote.
I agree, Dems suck at getting out in mid-terms, even Silver pointed out weed ballots can't even get young people to give a shit about mid-terms.

Only recently have I started to think this crazy thought that I kinda, sorta, maybe wish Trump wouldn't completely self implode.  That he would possibly have more value to Democrats as a martyr to a solid sect of Republicans, effectively splitting the party, then he would as a disgrace. Maybe allowing enough disarray in mid-terms and in congress to give Democrats some decent openings.

I hope Rumbler is right on that front, as it would seem it is almost inevitable then.



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But the biggest blow we're likely to see to the GOP in the short-term is the collapse of Fox News as a PR firm and means of keeping party members on message. I don't really think you can overvalue what they've done to energize the GOP base, promote conservative ideas, and push right-win narratives. When that finally comes crashing down, and I think it will within the next year, the loss is going to be almost immediately felt.

That would be great.

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« Reply #18549 on: August 11, 2016, 06:50:11 PM »
Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

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« Reply #18550 on: August 11, 2016, 07:41:54 PM »
Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

Major, borderline extreme inter-party fighting is all I got. Thats why I said what I did.

Trump is feeding off a base of support that has yet to find a hero they haven't eventually buried or abandoned for one reason or another.

I wouldn't underestimate the fickleness of a group of people(uneducated white conservatives) that continue to rally around cults of personality and one in Trump who has built himself on a house of cards narrative about himself, if that house of cards were to collapse spectacularly.






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« Reply #18551 on: August 11, 2016, 09:03:44 PM »
Obama not only founded ISIS, he also founded Trump's campaign:

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« Reply #18552 on: August 11, 2016, 10:26:50 PM »
Man, when I think of going from 8 years of Obama killing it at those dinners,  to Hilary trying to be funny at them....  :-\
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« Reply #18553 on: August 11, 2016, 10:27:38 PM »
Man, when I think of going from 8 years of Obama killing it at those dinners,  to Hilary trying to be funny at them....  :-\

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« Reply #18554 on: August 12, 2016, 12:18:45 AM »
Haven't seen word salad this thoroughly mixed since Palin, and I don't think even she could power through so many half-sentences and half thoughts without coming up for air. Trump is just on a whole different level of self-confident derp that nobody can touch him.

I just don't understand anybody can listen to him talk this way, for any length of time, and think "Yeah, this is definitely the person I want to vote for."
and Palin is almost certainly a (sorta) functional alcoholic, what's Trump's excuse?

Ole' Donny has been putting forth the story that Hilary is mentally unstable, and the Breitbarters are implying that Hilary is of unsound mind and body, but isn't anybody questioning seriously that Donald Trump might not just be an ill-informed asshole, but is also mentally/physically damaged to be unfit for office?

I mean, the guy is a 70 year old fat dude who never exercises and eats badly. That's not to mention his sometimes mangling of the English language isn't just troubling for the irresponsible comments he often makes, very often I really can't understand what the hell he's even saying at any given time.

Is this something the Dem's are waiting on to exploit? Because it seems kinda like a slam dunk to me. I don't know that its true, but there's clearly enough there to imply that something is up.

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« Reply #18555 on: August 12, 2016, 01:26:28 AM »
Hyper, criticizing someone for their mental health is pretty taboo unless you have hard evidence that shows they should be disqualified.

Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

Major, borderline extreme inter-party fighting is all I got. Thats why I said what I did.

Trump is feeding off a base of support that has yet to find a hero they haven't eventually buried or abandoned for one reason or another.

I wouldn't underestimate the fickleness of a group of people(uneducated white conservatives) that continue to rally around cults of personality and one in Trump who has built himself on a house of cards narrative about himself, if that house of cards were to collapse spectacularly.

I get what you're saying and I actually agree that he won't be celebrated as a conservative saint. What we've seen in the Republican primaries this year is that usually the winner of any polls was of the anti-establishment/Tea Party variety. The type of candidates that were being ridiculed by both sides as Ron Paul style crazy just 8 years ago.

I think a lot of mainstream conservatives switched to independent and probably the best thing the GOP can do is have there be open primaries so that only the more moderate, electable candidates get through. Ever since last Fall, we've known that it was going to be some crazy Republican versus a moderate Democrat (Hillary) so it's not exactly like Trump was a fluke who got lucky, he was just there at the right time in the GOPs demise. I can't predict the future but I am the next 2-4 years are fucked with more extreme obstructionism.

Given enough time, I think the GOP will change because at this point they don't even pretend like they're not selling a shit sandwich.
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« Reply #18556 on: August 12, 2016, 02:49:21 AM »
but isn't anybody questioning seriously that Donald Trump might not just be an ill-informed asshole, but is also mentally/physically damaged to be unfit for office?

I mean, the guy is a 70 year old fat dude who never exercises and eats badly. That's not to mention his sometimes mangling of the English language isn't just troubling for the irresponsible comments he often makes, very often I really can't understand what the hell he's even saying at any given time.

Is this something the Dem's are waiting on to exploit? Because it seems kinda like a slam dunk to me. I don't know that its true, but there's clearly enough there to imply that something is up.

Honestly, it's classic Rovian tactics the right has sorta leaned on for a while now. Almost reflexively at this point. Use your potential weakness as an attack on your opponents first to deflect/shield yourself from the same criticisms. Turn their strengths into weaknesses. A tactic which can also help your own supporters rationalize away a valid criticism and get them believing thats actually a problem of the "other" person, not their's.

They did it with Obama and his "Team of Rivals" uniting rhetoric and they did it with John Kerry and his war record. Now they are framing Hillary, the clearly more qualified, slightly younger, more mentally stable candidate as being in poor physical and mental health.


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« Reply #18557 on: August 12, 2016, 10:28:43 AM »


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"Trump and Hillary are the same, guys."

My favorite line from that quote is that Obama calls Islamic State "ISIL" because he likes to bother everybody.

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« Reply #18558 on: August 12, 2016, 11:52:53 AM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords
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« Reply #18559 on: August 12, 2016, 11:58:20 AM »
My favorite line from that quote is that Obama calls Islamic State "ISIL" because he likes to bother everybody.

"It might be more accurate I guess, but who cares." (Paraphrased)

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« Reply #18560 on: August 12, 2016, 11:59:52 AM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

It's just a prank, bro.
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« Reply #18563 on: August 12, 2016, 12:59:48 PM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

I don't think anyone understands Trump's humor.
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« Reply #18564 on: August 12, 2016, 01:23:08 PM »
Mitt Romney won Utah by 48 points. Donald Trump is worried he'll lose it.

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Utah is one of the most Republican states in the country, and usually one a GOP presidential candidate can take for granted. Mitt Romney won it by 48 points in 2012, and John McCain won it by 28 in 2008. And most observers expect Trump to come out on top there in the end.

Yet the race does look a good deal closer this time around. Trump leads Clinton by just 7.6 points in the HuffPost Pollster average.

Presidential candidates leading polls at this point in the campaign have almost always won

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So when, you might wonder, should we really start trusting the polls again?

The answer: right about now.

It's happening brehs. :rejoice

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« Reply #18565 on: August 12, 2016, 01:40:10 PM »
I really feel like Trump's moved from trying to win this to trying to excuse his loss since the RNC.
That's not the attitude of a winner!
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« Reply #18567 on: August 12, 2016, 03:01:58 PM »
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« Reply #18568 on: August 12, 2016, 03:04:37 PM »
It's better than being summarily executed by a hellfire missile like Obama favors.


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« Reply #18570 on: August 12, 2016, 08:43:21 PM »
The Democrats got hacked...again: http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/democratic-national-committee/guccifer-dccc-hack-645891

Hacker Publishes List Of Cell Phone Numbers, Private E-Mails For Most House Democrats

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« Reply #18571 on: August 12, 2016, 11:17:55 PM »
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Donald Trump again raised the specter of election fraud Friday, saying that the only way he would lose Pennsylvania is to Hillary Clinton is if "they cheat."

The Republican nominee, speaking at a rally in Altoona, Pennsylvania, repeated his concerns about the fairness of the election.

“The only way we can lose, in my opinion — I really mean this, Pennsylvania is if cheating goes on and we have to call up law enforcement and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everyone watching because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in Pennsylvania, which is such a vital state especially when I know what is happening here,” he said. “She can’t beat what’s happening here. The only way they can beat it in my opinion, and I mean this 100 percent, if in certain sections of the state they cheat.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-pennsylvania-hillary-clinton-226978

"Certain sections" huh :hitler

and it gets worse
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer

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« Reply #18572 on: August 13, 2016, 01:30:20 AM »
Trump is too stupid to realize how dangerous he is. People are going to get shot if he keeps this paranoia up.
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« Reply #18573 on: August 14, 2016, 12:08:20 AM »
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/anthony-weiner-catfish-twitter.html

Anthony Weiner got caught sexting again.

To think, this dumbass almost became the mayor of New York City.
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« Reply #18574 on: August 14, 2016, 12:34:57 AM »
Sexters gonna sext
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« Reply #18575 on: August 14, 2016, 01:40:50 AM »
I think every guy in a position of political power has a fantasy of preaching with his dick to some young, nubile girl from the wrong side of the aisle.  :yeshrug

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« Reply #18576 on: August 14, 2016, 09:08:05 AM »
Lol @ him trying the Trump-esque "I was joking, it wasn't even serious" lol.

Huma is so busy with her job that she probably doesn't do shit with him anyway. Dude is trash. If you want to fuck around why not just get some escorts so you have a semblance of discretion.
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« Reply #18577 on: August 14, 2016, 09:19:47 AM »
I'm pretty certain the marriage is 99.9% political anyway.  Anytime you see pictures of them together, their body language comes off like they couldn't give less of a fuck about each other if they tried.
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« Reply #18578 on: August 14, 2016, 09:57:23 AM »
Post-scandal or before too? I'm in no position to make definitive statements on other people's relationships so I assume they were fine before the scandal. Since then yea, I can imagine they have problems due to Weiner being a pos.
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« Reply #18579 on: August 15, 2016, 09:04:57 AM »
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/anthony-weiner-catfish-twitter.html

Anthony Weiner got caught sexting again.

To think, this dumbass almost became the mayor of New York City.

To be fair, he'd probably still make a better mayor than DiBlasio.
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« Reply #18580 on: August 15, 2016, 11:08:49 AM »
Scumbag politicians tend to be more effective than good natured politicians. :doge

That's why I'm voting Hillary. :rejoice
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
« Reply #18582 on: August 15, 2016, 12:46:45 PM »


 :aweshum

(that's the NYT, btw)

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« Reply #18583 on: August 15, 2016, 12:49:36 PM »
Also from the NYT:

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Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

....The papers, known in Ukraine as the “black ledger,” are a chicken-scratch of Cyrillic covering about 400 pages taken from books once kept in a third-floor room in the former Party of Regions headquarters on Lipskaya Street in Kiev. The room held two safes stuffed with $100 bills.

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« Reply #18584 on: August 15, 2016, 12:54:28 PM »
Also:

http://gawker.com/ivanka-trump-hanging-out-in-croatia-with-vladimir-putin-1785290129

Uhhh the "Trump is a Russian stooge" conspiracy theory might not be a theory, brehs.

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« Reply #18585 on: August 15, 2016, 01:18:02 PM »
Why would Putin want disgusting murdoch sloppy seconds?  :yuck
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« Reply #18587 on: August 15, 2016, 01:37:55 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

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Aiming to address a recent slew of “mainstream media” polls showing Hillary Clinton holding a decisive lead over of Donald Trump, Breitbart News conducted its own survey. But the conservative news site came up with similar results.

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« Reply #18590 on: August 15, 2016, 03:27:08 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lose_us_57b2033de4b007c36e4f91f2

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“It’s either that [he’s trying to lose] or it’s complete and utter incompetence in every facet of his campaign,” said Brian Walsh, another veteran Republican hand and Trump critic. “[W]hen you look at how he’s conducting every aspect of the campaign it seems entirely fair to ask if he’s purposefully trying to lose because the only alternative answer is complete arrogance and incompetence. And I’m not ruling out complete arrogance and incompetence.”

Be such a bad candidate that people wonder if you're throwing the race brehs.
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« Reply #18591 on: August 15, 2016, 03:58:32 PM »
Looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg of the manafort shit show.
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« Reply #18593 on: August 15, 2016, 04:53:09 PM »
NYT: The State of the Clinton-Trump Race: Is It Over?

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Mrs. Clinton has a better shot at winning the red state of South Carolina than Mr. Trump has at winning the presidency.

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« Reply #18595 on: August 15, 2016, 05:50:03 PM »
NYT: The State of the Clinton-Trump Race: Is It Over?

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Mrs. Clinton has a better shot at winning the red state of South Carolina than Mr. Trump has at winning the presidency.

:preach

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verdana doesn't scale at larger sizes breh :gurl

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« Reply #18596 on: August 16, 2016, 11:57:48 AM »
Trumps leading Hillary by only 6 points in Texas. I guess my vote counts now.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
« Reply #18597 on: August 16, 2016, 12:23:08 PM »
Watch him loss by a landslide not seen since 1980 and still not coincide on election night. 

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
« Reply #18598 on: August 16, 2016, 12:30:19 PM »
Trump is under performing Romney/McCain/etc just about everywhere in red states and swing states, wow.
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