US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE

[Human Snorenado]

Pack it up, libtards.

http://www.jookos.com/2016/10/27/facebook-analytics-reveal-clean-sweep-donald-trump-election-sweeping-42-50-states-including-new-york/

[benjipwns]

Someday, The Onion will figure out how to parody The New Yorker's political cartoons:

[benjipwns]

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

i have to say...he makes a compelling case

[Take My Breh Away]

Someday, The Onion will figure out how to parody The New Yorker's political cartoons:
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They don't need to. Kelly is a national treasure you godless communist 

[benjipwns]

I love Kelly's high wire intellectualism as much as the next guy, nothing else can make you both think and feel like a Kelly cartoon. But when's the last time he did good 'ol toilet humor and went for the easy joke?

[VomKriege]

That one has probably been done without any irony elsewhere :



Love the one with the cartoonist self-inserts too 

[Momo]

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

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i have to say...he makes a compelling case

Wait, wtf? You dont get your buns by the dozen or half dozen? What do you get your eggs in 5s? 

[benjipwns]

the buns and dogs are still not the same amount!

and then (((hebrew nationals))) gives you (((SEVEN))) hot dogs!!!!!!

[Phoenix Dark]

This line is long as hell and I got here pretty early around 7:20AM.

[Mupepe]

What you wearing, PD?

[bork]

This line is long as hell and I got here pretty early around 7:20PM.

You've been there for 12 hours?  Holy shit!

[Phoenix Dark]

AM I mean lol. Surprisingly I was only in line for an hour. Got in and was pleasantly surprised there were far more polling booths than last time. Things went smoothly but I did see one guy hold everything up because his address was from out of state, but he had recently moved here or something like that.

Voted to raise my taxes a few times, Benji. 

Transit from Ann Arbor to Detroit

[fistfulofmetal]

Went to the polling place at 7am, wasn't really that busy. Got in and out in less than 20 minutes.

[tiesto]

Took me 45 min to get in and out, that's because the senior citizens at the front desk were taking FOREVER to flip through the registration book and it turns out there are a ton of people with last names starting with A - L, but barely any with M - Z. So many decrepit old white people too.

Voted straight Democrat aside for a  Libertarian  state senator. Stephen Ruth, aka the "Red Light Robin Hood". Suffolk County has had a plague of red light cams and this guy goes around tearing them down.

[thisismyusername]

along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary.

Not that hard to understand, given history.

[Joe Molotov]

Can't wait to walk into the polling place, immediately pick up my ballot and be out in 2 minutes. Being white.

[zomgee]

No line. Took me 5 minutes to throw my vote away in a 99% red state.

I was honestly expecting a dude with a gun patrolling the polling place but I forgot... this is WV. Everyone has a gun.

[james]

I think we'll know who wins by 9:50pm.


AND FUCK STATES WHO CLOSE POLLS BEFORE 9PM YOURE ALL UNDEMOCRATIC SHIT HOLES.

Should be a national fucking law. 6am-9pm MINIMUM

[benjipwns]

Voted straight Democrat aside for a  Libertarian  state senator. Stephen Ruth, aka the "Red Light Robin Hood".

Stephen Ruth, 43, was arrested just hours after a CBS 2 report was published in which Ruth said he had damaged dozens of the cameras over the weekend.

“I cut the cable wires, making it useless,” Ruth said, according to the report. “I’ve made it dysfunctional, just like the whole red light camera program.”

At 8:36 p.m. Monday, Ruth's son posted the following on his father's Facebook page: "Hi this is Stephens son. My father was just arrested at our house by detectives after being chased by them.

single issue libertarians are the best

[benjipwns]

Also.

Was absolutely no line for me to watch Giant Bomb drive around a faux-Finland simulator rather than even consider voting SINCE IT'S RIGGED ANYWAY.

Though it did take me an hour to watch that.

[Tasty]

along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary.

Not that hard to understand, given history.

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[Joe Molotov]

Also.

Was absolutely no line for me to watch Giant Bomb drive around a faux-Finland simulator rather than even consider voting SINCE IT'S RIGGED ANYWAY.

Though it did take me an hour to watch that.

That was a good video.

[benjipwns]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/opinion/lets-not-do-this-again.html

If I had to sum up the election of 2016 in one clause, I would say it has been a sociological revolution, a moral warning and a political summons.

Sociologically, this campaign has been an education in how societies come apart. The Trump campaign has been like a flash flood that sweeps away the topsoil and both reveals and widens the chasms, crevices and cracks below.

We are a far more divided society than we realized. The educated and less educated increasingly see the world and vote in different ways. So do men and women, blacks and whites, natives and immigrants, young and old, urban and rural.

We like to think of democracy as a battle of ideas and a process of individual deliberation, but this year demography has been destiny. The campaigns have pushed us back into our tribal bunkers. Americans now seem more clannish, and more incomprehensible to one another.

This year a legitimate social uprising has been twisted to serve destructive means. Over the past 50 years, most of us have benefited from feminism, the civil rights movement, mass immigration, the information age and the sexual revolution. But as Charles Murray points out, one class has been buffeted by each of these trends: white workers.

And that brings us to the summons. The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

Personally I’ve always disdained talk of a third party, mostly because the structural barriers against such parties are so high, no matter how scintillatingly attractive they seem in theory. But it’s becoming clear that the need for a third party outweighs even the very real barriers.

The Republican Party will probably remain the white working-class party, favoring closed trade, closed borders and American withdrawal abroad. The Democratic Party, meanwhile, is increasingly dominated by its left/Sanders wing, which offers its own populism of the left.

There has to be a party for those who are now homeless. There has to be a party as confidently opposed to populism as populists are in favor of it.

There has to be a compassionate globalist party, one that embraces free trade while looking after those who suffer from trade; that embraces continued skilled immigration while listening to those hurt by immigration; that embraces widening ethnic diversity while understanding that diversity can weaken social trust.

There has to be a patriotic party that understands that the world benefits when America serves as the leading and energetic superpower.

There has to be a party that unapologetically emphasizes public character formation. It’s not clear that our political culture is producing individuals capable of exercising freedom wisely. But citizenship is a skill that can be nurtured — by a party that insists on basic standards of decency in its candidates; that practices politics in humble, honest ways; that strengthens trust and institutions by playing by the rules, by confirming appointees and the like.

The problems go deeper than the jobless rate and the threat of ISIS. The underlying social and moral foundations of the nation have been weakened. Today a rancid chapter ends. Tomorrow let’s start with fresh ground and a new party.

the master speaks

[Mandark]

Obviously I hope Clinton wins but I also hope her campaign manages to run up the score.

Don't necessarily think that would break the fever on the GOP side, but man I don't want them thinking Trump had the right formula if only he were a skosh more disciplined.

[benjipwns]

I think you mean if he'd stuck to his guns rather than trying to appease the media by sucking up to liberals over foreign policy, religious rights and stuff.

[Momo]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

[Trurl]

I'm going to sniff a bunch of markers and then vote Trump later.   

[Rufus]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

They'd have to change their voting system for that, but that's apparently never going to happen.

[Mandark]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

I think the problem is more that the people are being represented fairly accurately.

It's not some structural quirk that makes it look like white people are freaking the fuck out.

[Human Snorenado]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-my-campaign-will-be-a-tremendous-waste-of-time-energy-and-money-if-i-lose/

 

[Trurl]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

I think the problem is more that the people are being represented fairly accurately.

It's not some structural quirk that makes it look like white people are freaking the fuck out.

I actually think that our system for electing presidents works reasonably well.   The stupidity of our elections and the money in politics has nothing to do with the electoral college.  It's all of the other elections and our political culture generally that is broken.

[tiesto]

lmao at this ad (I voted for Anna)

[benjipwns]

[zomgee]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-my-campaign-will-be-a-tremendous-waste-of-time-energy-and-money-if-i-lose/

 

Trump: If You Were Running for President, He'd Vote for You!

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/opinion/lets-not-do-this-again.html

In other words I don't like that the racist fascist party I've always supported is now exposed as a racist fascist party. I love all these "intellectual" republicans who act as if trump has co-opted their party instead of just being the true face of their party.

[james]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

Grade A bullshit.

All of latin america has the same system and yet they are filled with parties.

Brazil has like 30 valid parties. And they are a federal system with "first past the line" voting.

[Let's Cyber]

I did my part and voted for _______.  Hopefully _______ pulls out the victory because _______ would be a total disaster for the country. 

All you non-voters out there, just remember that you're helping _______ and a non-vote is basically the same thing as voting for an evil, lying candidate like _______. So shame on all you lazy, apathetic people out there who are really no better than _______ supporters.

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I voted Hillary but it didn't feel particularly good 

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[Mandark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil)

The Chamber of Deputies (Portuguese: Câmara dos Deputados) is a federal legislative body and the lower house of the National Congress of Brazil. The chamber comprises 513 deputies, who are elected by proportional representation to serve four-year terms.

[ToxicAdam]

 >The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

I feel like I've seen this phrase spouted 6-7 different times in my lifetime. Every election that sees a change is 'one that changes everything' and every next election is 'one that promises to change everything'.

It's this 'prisoner of the moment' mentality that I used to only notice in sports talk radio. People want to feel like they are living in remarkable times, so whatever was the last thing or the next thing they see is the most amazing thing ever.

[james]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil)

The Chamber of Deputies (Portuguese: Câmara dos Deputados) is a federal legislative body and the lower house of the National Congress of Brazil. The chamber comprises 513 deputies, who are elected by proportional representation to serve four-year terms.

Thats the House.

The president and senate get elected the same way as the US

Currently, the Senate comprises 81 seats. Three Senators from each of the 26 states and three Senators from the Federal District are elected on a majority basis to serve eight-year terms

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Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

[Stoney Mason]

>The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

I feel like I've seen this phrase spouted 6-7 different times in my lifetime. Every election that sees a change is 'one that changes everything' and every next election is 'one that promises to change everything'.

It's this 'prisoner of the moment' mentality that I used to only notice in sports talk radio. People want to feel like they are living in remarkable times, so whatever was the last thing or the next thing they see is the most amazing thing ever.

There is always a part of me that is with you TA. (TA is the conservative version of me)

But I do think Trump is a bit different as a candidate. I truly wouldn't have expected something like him to represent the republican party. As much disdain as I have for Republicans, he is a whole different kettle of fish than the republican nominees have been in my lifetime. Although ultimately I agree America won't see a viable third party anytime soon. The country is too evenly divided. And the powers that be have too much power invested in the current system.

[Mandark]

Presidential races have a second round runoff between the top two finishers, and even in the first round you see a very small number of dominant candidates backed by multiparty coalitions.

[ToxicAdam]

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President. Despite having little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

 

[Mandark]

almost upset a sitting President

Which 90's did you live through?

[Stoney Mason]

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President with little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

I was going to mention Buchanan myself and yes I think that's the closest we have come to such a thing although I don't really think he was ever going to win. But I think the end result and pariah that Buchanan became is the difference. Trump is not going to be a pariah. And how easily he won against so many establishment candidates is what breaks it to me. But I hear ya.

[benjipwns]

But I think the end result and pariah that Buchanan became is the difference.

[benjipwns]

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Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

Coalitions aren't parties. The Brazilian Senate still has seventeen parties. Some of those move in and out of opposition. Four of the five biggest parties in the "Government Support Bloc" were on opposite sides of the prior election because two of them were allied with the Worker's Party.

[james]

Government (63)
    Government Support Bloc (63)
             PMDB (19)
             PSDB (11)
             PSB (7)
             PP (6)
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             PT (10)
             PCdoB (1)

    Independent Bloc (6)
             PDT (3)
             REDE (1)
             Independents (2)

Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

Coalitions aren't parties. The Brazilian Senate still has seventeen parties. Some of those move in and out of opposition. Four of the five biggest parties in the "Government Support Bloc" were on opposite sides of the prior election because two of them were allied with the Worker's Party.

Right, even though the senate voting works the same way, people have dozens of parties to choose from.

"our current system does not allow for 3rd parties because if first past the line" is the biggest pile of horse shit fed to the american people of all time.

It is american exceptionalism at the highest degree.

[Brehvolution]

[benjipwns]

Right, even though the senate voting works the same way, people have dozens of parties to choose from.

But that's probably related to the House being PR and the two-round presidential election.

Hell, in France, a Le Pen leaner can vote for her in the first round because they know she'll get crushed in the second anyway. They don't have to "compromise" for a more mainstream candidate.

[Boredfrom]

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

Grade A bullshit.

All of latin america has the same system and yet they are filled with parties.

Brazil has like 30 valid parties. And they are a federal system with "first past the line" voting.

Electoral college, dude.

[Phoenix Dark]

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President. Despite having little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

What's up with Ohio Bore and memory loss. First BrandNew forgets not to drink and drive, then AiA forgets...well, everything. Now ToxicAdam forgets that Pat Buchanan didn't win one state during the 92 GOP primaries. 

ForgetLand 

[Boredfrom]

A saudi dude who can barely speak english just told me that the election is rigged for Hillary.

Fucking end already, long ass election.

Hillary was not exactly popular abroad before Trump to begin with.

[Tasty]

Tearing up brehs :'(

I'm such a sap lol

[Madrun Badrun]

11PM ET will be the first chance for an official election call.  If Hilary takes Flordia we will know she won at like 7pm. 

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins...

[Boredfrom]

A saudi dude who can barely speak english just told me that the election is rigged for Hillary.

Fucking end already, long ass election.

Hillary was not exactly popular abroad before Trump to begin with.

True although anytime a saudi sees a woman in control of anything they get shook.

Probably has also to do with Trump rethoric being more in line with extremist propaganda over the years.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins...

Allowing people to vote is rigging the election. 

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins...

Allowing people to vote is rigging the election. 

Only """"certain people"""""