Twin Peaks OT: I'll see you again in 25 years.

[archie4208]

I went into it with the mindset of not expecting old Twin Peaks, but 18 hours of new David Lynch material featuring Twin Peaks characters.  I can't say I'm disappointed.

[toku]

More than anything I think we have to really hold back judgement until we see the entire thing. Lynch said himself he's treating it like an 18 hour movie and less like a tv show.

[pilonv1]

I think the main reason everyone is down on it is that

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Shelley said James was cool which no one would agree with

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[Joe Molotov]

James can fart right off, where's Audrey?

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The first half of episode 3 is like Lynch trying to do a sequel to Eraserhead.  Seriously, you could replace Cooper with Henry without any even blinking an eye and it would feel like the same universe.   And the whole Vegas Dougie/Rainman Cooper character....  I don't know.  I'll just see where this goes I guess.  I'm a huge fan of this series and Lynch's films for the most part but I'm just not as down with this as I thought I'd be.

And honestly I surprised I don't get that excited to see the familiar characters from Twin Peaks.  It's more depressing than anything.  Everyone is just so old.  Feels bad, man.

Overall it feels less like Twin Peaks than it is a culmination of all of Lynch's previous films rolled up into an 18 part movie.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

This isn't Twin Peaks so much as it's David Lynch masturbating. Which, for some, sounds like something they really wanted. And that's cool I guess, but I personally really needed the goofy soap opera stuff to contrast the heady surrealism.

[Mr Gilhaney]

Much better than I had hoped for.

[Joe Molotov]

Much better than I had hoped for.

Same. I was expecting it be worse and make less sense.

[Akala]

Episode 5 to be 45 minutes of James playing acoustic guitar duetting with Wally. 

[pilonv1]

The choice to do no music is fucking weird and not good.

I'm hoping it comes back when Cooper returns to normal.

[Freyj]

no new episodes this week 

[Atramental]

[BobFromPikeCreek]

...

Alright maybe I should give this shit another chance.

[Bebpo]

Just finished ep4 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 

I thought the first two eps, besides being modern Lynch slow compared to the old show, were really great! Very well directed and interesting.

Then ep3&4 happened.

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Mentally damaged Cooper

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Is the high school mentality Nadine subplot of S2. It's so bad and just drags on scene after scene after scene. It's like everyone waited all this time to get that COOPER magic back again, and instead we get

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and a totally shitty Michael Cera scene.

And then yeah, seeing everyone back and so OLD and lacking energy is incredibly depressing. That's gonna be us in 25 years fuck. 25 years doesn't sound like that much time, but the visual change for everyone is super depressing. And then you have the dead actors, and even more depressing is that Albert, who was awesome in the original and is nice to be back here, died making this new season  :'(

It also doesn't make a lot of sense either. Hawk's actor is only 66, dude is acting like he's in his 80s wtf. My Dad is like 68 and he isn't all slow geriatric. The mention above about the Ben & Jerry scene because depressing is spot on. There's no energy that the two had in the original. Again, not all of these actors are in their 80s or older. Some of these guys are in their 60s or early 70s and should not be coming across this old and slow. I gotta wonder if that's more Lynch than these actor's age. Either that or some of them haven't been acting in 20 years and don't remember how to act. idk.

Hoping it'll be good. Some of the parts are solid, and there's a ton of eps to go, but if they drag out this terrible subplot the entire season...yikes. Gonna be all Arrested Development S4/Fire Walks With Me in here.

[Kurisu]

Gonna be all Arrested Development S4/Fire Walks With Me in here.

What does that even mean. The movie was awesome, AD S4 sucked.

[pilonv1]

Hoping it'll be good. Some of the parts are solid, and there's a ton of eps to go, but if they drag out this terrible subplot the entire season...yikes. Gonna be all Arrested Development S4/Fire Walks With Me in here.

They're actually the same universe

[fistfulofmetal]

Ok so I'm caught up to Episode 4 (going to watch 5 tonight).

I really loved the original season, thought season 2 was OK and it ended real strong. I LOVE the movie a lot.

Watching season 3. I'm really struggling here. It's fucking with my brain because going into this season I knew to brace myself. I knew that Lynch would purposefully subvert my expectations and he's really fucking good at doing that. I knew he would purposefully avoid giving me what I want. Yet here I am, knowing all of these. Yet I'm struggling to enjoy what's here because I know he's doling out the information and the fan-service in tiny tiny drops.

My two biggest problem with this season so far is the lack of music and the city-hoping nature. It's crazy to me that the scenes are dead silent. Where's the jazzy music? Where's the abrupt cuts to serious ambience? And regarding the locations, having it hop around the country makes it all feel so disjointed. Twin Peaks was so focused on that one town and it benefited.

I'm in the for the long haul but this is rough to watch and I KNOW it's supposed to be.

[Atramental]

 

[archie4208]

You guys ordered your gold shit-digging shovel, right?

[Tasty]

I'm glad you guys are tempering expectations somewhat. I'm on episode 19 of season 2, basically almost out of the woods of the bad stuff according to what I've read, and I really like the show. Even the bad parts were OK to have on in the background, there's still a good scene or too even in the really shitty episodes. I almost want to go back and rewatch the first season now that I know who the fuck everyone is and how they relate. But I need to finish s2 and then the movie.

As a huge Lynch fan, I'm game for anything. Everything I saw before the new season (not much tbh) told me to prepare for something super depressing, and that's the mindset I'll be going into the new season with. Honestly most of Lynch's stuff is depressing to an almost nihilistic point, and his pièce de résistance of it (Mulholland Drive) is my favorite work from him and one of my favorite films. Some of the complaints here of "everyone's old and slow and it's making me sad 😞" are actually hyping me up for the new season more than anything hahaha.

TBH I wouldn't have put it past Lynch to just fucking kill Cooper in the first episode or two to fuck with y'all. Anyone expecting sappy Lindelof shit, the door's that way -> 🚪

[Tasty]

Gonna be all Arrested Development S4/Fire Walks With Me in here.

What does that even mean. The movie was awesome, AD S4 sucked.

AD s4 gets sooooo much better on rewatches. It's not as good as the first three, but it is really good.

The recut, in-chronological-order version Hurwitz supposedly made might even be as good as s3. Shame they haven't fucking released it yet. :/

[Tasty]

And Lynch himself said it best:

[Tasty]

Finished season two.

Now, Fire Walk With Me: theatrical or extended (The Missing Pieces) cut?

[Joe Molotov]

That tiny, little Vin Diesel was just stabbing the hell out of some folks.

[Joe Molotov]

Also, a blink and you missed it appearance by the elusive Diane. 

[Tasty]

Caught up.

Purple Room in ep3 is one of my favorite Lynch things, ever.

Speaking of, this popped up:

[agrajag]

Part 6 was my least favorite episode. Hoping tomorrow will be a bit better.

[Joe Molotov]

Something needs to happen with DougieCoop, the man literally can't use the bathroom by himself and no one is like "Is Dougie having a stroke, maybe we should call an ambulance?" I feel like David Lynch is gaslighting me.

[agrajag]

Part 5 was my least favorite so far, tbh. Part 6 had a bit more progression with the best scene of the year.

Ike The Spike

I didn't like anything involving that Richard Horne kid. Part 6 kind of took me back to part 1, while interesting, a lot of exposition with no payoff, introducing more and more characters. It also was the lightest out of all recent episodes on quirky fun in the town of Twin Peaks.

[agrajag]

Something needs to happen with DougieCoop, the man literally can't use the bathroom by himself and no one is like "Is Dougie having a stroke, maybe we should call an ambulance?" I feel like David Lynch is gaslighting me.

I heard a theory that maybe Dougie was a highly functional autist and everyone around him thinks it's just one of his episodes.

[Tasty]

I'm super into scenes involving Richard cause while he's a douche he's very likely Audrey's son and I just want her to show up ASAP.

[agrajag]

Also, I'm a little disappointed that they never followed up with the murder mystery in Buckhorn from the first two episodes. They'll probably revisit it to tie up all the ends, but it feels like too many episodes have passed between for it to matter too much.

[Tasty]

Also, I'm a little disappointed that they never followed up with the murder mystery in Buckhorn from the first two episodes. They'll probably revisit it to tie up all the ends, but it feels like too many episodes have passed between for it to matter too much.

This is one point I will agree with. I completely forgot about it when Dougie showed up haha. I wouldn't mind them dropping it if not for Evilcoop shooting the wife out of nowhere.

[Tasty]

Episode 7 best episode since 3

- Dougie-Coop taking out Ike the Spike (and otherwise barely being in the ep)
- Missing pages of Laura's diary conclusively found by Hawk, and Fire Walks With Me's biggest post-series clue finally comes full circle after a quarter-century
- Diane turns out to be a firebreathing badass
- Body found in episode 1 was Briggs', but 20-years too young
- Doc Hayward :'(
- Audrey's been in a coma since the bank explosion

[archie4208]

Episode 7 best episode since 3

- Dougie-Coop taking out Ike the Spike (and otherwise barely being in the ep)
- Missing pages of Laura's diary conclusively found by Hawk, and Fire Walks With Me's biggest post-series clue finally comes full circle after a quarter-century
- Diane turns out to be a firebreathing badass
- Body found in episode 1 was Briggs', but 20-years too young
- Doc Hayward :'(
- Audrey's been in a coma since the bank explosion

Fuck you, Andy.

[Tasty]

Fuck yourself. This is a currently airing show and this is an OT for it.

[archie4208]

I was referencing Diane. 

[Joe Molotov]

That computer setup was pretty dope for a backwater sheriff's office. How much did the county taxpayers have to shell out for that?  :'(

[Momo]

I feel like Twin Peaks spoilers doesnt even matter till all is said and done and you had a month to process it all

[Joe Molotov]

If you were a real fan, Dougie suddenly getting FBI superpowers and wrestling a midget gunman to the ground while the Brain Tree was screaming "Squeeze his hand off!" is hardly even a spoiler, since it should have been obvious that was going to happen. 

Real talk though, this was a good episode. Also real talk, raise your hand if you thought the final 5 or 6 minutes was just gonna be that dude sweeping.

[Tasty]

Also real talk, raise your hand if you thought the final 5 or 6 minutes was just gonna be that dude sweeping.

*raises hand*

I was certain the credits were gonna come scrolling up any second.

Also I noticed him last ep, but apparently that's not Jacques Renault - he's credited as "Jean-Michel Renault." So seems like a Maddy situation of reusing the same actor. He looks like shit though.

[Tasty]

I was referencing Diane. 

You want personal? How about this: fuck you.

[Joe Molotov]

I was referencing Diane. 

You want personal? How about this: fuck you.

Fuck you, Tammy.

[agrajag]

GAF has the dumbest theories. Like how Diane is really Annie. 

[archie4208]

What the FUCK did I just watch?

[toku]

fuck yeah NiN

[Freyj]

 

[Joe Molotov]

Ladies and gentlemen...the Nine Inch Nails!

[Joe Molotov]

Lmao, how did this even get made? David Lynch, the absolute madman. I love it.

[agrajag]

What the FUCK did I just watch?

..

[Tasty]

I need someone to hold me. For like, three days.

[Joe Molotov]

*holds*

[Joe Molotov]

Reading all the entertainment blog takes this morning is gonna give me life.

[Momo]

One day i'll drop a bunch of drugs try and understand this ep and the answers will come to me, sadly it will be fleeting because the second i'm sober again all those crazed thoughts will be impossible to form again.

[Joe Molotov]

One day i'll drop a bunch of drugs try and understand this ep and the answers will come to me, sadly it will be fleeting because the second i'm sober again all those crazed thoughts will be impossible to form again.

The general consensus of the morning seems to be: The atomic bomb created BOB because THE REAL MONSTER WAS MAN ALL ALONG! The alien/celestial overseers of our planet saw this and sent Laura to act as a balance to BOB. And then something something Black Lodge stuff, the end.

Does that mean the Giant is God, the Tower is Heaven, Laura is Jesus, the Black Lodge is Hell, the Woodsman is the Devil, and BOB is the antichrist? (just asking questions)

[archie4208]

The way I understand it: the bomb didn't create BOB, but instead created a rift that allowed him to enter our world.  The inhabitants of the White Lodge put Laura in a dragon ball to help defeat BOB.

Let's be honest though.  The strangest thing about that episode is NIN performing at a small town dive.

[agrajag]

Laura Palmer being a moonchild or space Jesus or whatever is a little too on the nose for me.

[Tasty]

The way I understand it: the bomb didn't create BOB, but instead created a rift that allowed him to enter our world.  The inhabitants of the White Lodge put Laura in a dragon ball to help defeat BOB.

Let's be honest though.  The strangest thing about that episode is NIN performing at a small town dive.

This is my thoughts too.

Laura Palmer being a moonchild or space Jesus or whatever is a little too on the nose for me.

Yeah it kinda smells like the prequels' emphasis on Anakin and Darth Vader cause he's what the fans knew.

Laura in the actual show was just as, if not more fucked up than the rest of the town. Space Jesus she is not.

[agrajag]

If I have one really big criticism of Twin Peaks, and I have plenty, but this one bugs me and seemingly no one else, is how Laura-centric it is. The show establishes how Laura is this amazing person that everyone is in love with despite her many, many flaws and vices. But where Lynch and co. fail is making the audience fall in love with her, at least they have failed to convince me that she's a special person that I should admire. They made a whole prequel movie about her and it's done nothing to sway me. I read the Laura Palmer diary and it did illuminate her inner turmoil, but still. For me the show always worked better with Cooper as the main protagonist and Laura the phantom catalyst of the murder mystery and the mystical events that follow. But Lynch insists in shoehorning her as the centerpiece for everything. It is what it is.

[VomKriege]

I always thought the adoration for Laura by the characters in the show was borderline disturbing (all the more considering what you learn about the killer and all that...) and that there was some self awareness to it or that it played to the satire of soap operas / shows in general. But as you mention, the film apparently (I've seen quite a long way ago) tries to convince us that it's not just creepy projection but how it was (despite having some massive faults to her character).