US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[kingv]

Strzok texted that 3 months before anybody knew about the Trump Tower meeting. IIRC the senate intel committee learned about it from the times in July, not a huge leap to think that the non-existent special counsel didn’t know about it yet in March.

It’s kind of remarkable, if Trump hadn’t fired Comey a lot of this stuff might never have come out or been discovered.

[benjipwns]

I don't know if you can say definitively that nobody knew, the FBI might have known during their investigation, the CIA probably keeps tabs on Veselnitskaya and/or Akhmetshin. Kushner reported he met with her for his security clearance, although not where I assume. It just may not have been in the hands of someone willing to leak it yet or the Times might have sat on it for a while too.

[Madrun Badrun]

5+6 is 11

11 × 2 is 22

22 + 22 + 22 + 22 is 88

4 Washington Avenue! The next clue is at the White House!

[Nola]

Strzok texted that 3 months before anybody knew about the Trump Tower meeting. IIRC the senate intel committee learned about it from the times in July, not a huge leap to think that the non-existent special counsel didn’t know about it yet in March.

It’s kind of remarkable, if Trump hadn’t fired Comey a lot of this stuff might never have come out or been discovered.

Setting aside that Solomon is a partisan hack that regularly bends, if not breaks, the truth and like here denies important context to his partisan narratives, that comment is I guess still kind of interesting. Though a bit less so in it's total context:

"You and I both know the odds are nothing," Strzok said in a text to Page on May 19, 2017. "If I thought it was likely, I'd be there, no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there's no big there there."

From what I can recall about Strzok is that he primarily worked on the Hillary email investigation(the right's second favorite conspiracy about the guy pertains to his successful lobbying to change the wording of Comey's stupid fucking statement about Hillary's emails) but that he was involved in some of the early Trump/Russia stuff, including the initial Papadopoulos drunken bar tip off. So we do know he likely had at least a decent level of knowledge about the case. But like you said, some of the major developments seemingly hadn't occurred or been broken within the investigation at that time. The focus did seem to be with low level players and maybe Manafort/Flynn. Which is echoed by Comey's testimony up until his firing.

Personally though, I think the "nothing-burger" narrative is a hard one to swallow at this point and you have to ignore a fuck ton of public information, behavior, and tea leaves to think this isn't going to touch at a minimum, very close to the president, regardless of what Strzok thought at the time. Including indictments to members of his inner circle and family. The Don Jr. call to the blocked number alone is almost certainly going to be a connection that at least puts Trump's knowledge of the meeting into play. Don Jr's solicitation and Roger Stone's behavior with Guccifer, based on what is teased in the indictment, at a minimum will definitely lead to some charges for Stone, for Don Jr., highly likely.

[benjipwns]

Tony Podesta, founder of the now-shuttered Podesta Group and brother to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, has been offered immunity by special counsel Robert Mueller to testify against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, according to a report.

Fox News' Tucker Carlson announced on his show Thursday evening that two separate sources confirmed the offer.

"In other words, for a near identical crime, Bill and Hillary's friend could escape and emerge completely unscathed while Paul Manafort may rot in jail. Only one of them made the mistake of chairing Donald Trump's presidential campaign," Carlson said.

Yeah, but Podesta will probably wind up dead like most Clinton friends or Seth Rich, Tucker.

[VomKriege]

"Montenegro is a tiny country with very strong people ... They’re very aggressive people. They may get aggressive, and congratulations, you’re in world war three."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/very-aggressive-trump-suggests-montenegro-could-cause-world-war-three

[benjipwns]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-survive-americas-kill-list-699334/

With Reprieve’s help, Kareem did what the system asks a law-abiding American citizen with a grievance to do. He sued, filing a complaint in district court in Washington, D.C., on March 30th, 2017, asking the U.S. government to take him off the Kill List, at least until he had a chance to challenge the evidence against him.

The case, still unresolved more than a year later, has awesome implications not just for Kareem but for all Americans – all people everywhere, for that matter.

It’s not a stretch to say that it’s one of the most important lawsuits to ever cross the desk of a federal judge. The core of the Bill of Rights is in play, and a wrong result could formalize a slide into authoritarianism that began long ago, but accelerated after 9/11.

Since that day, we have given presidents enormous power – to make war, to torture, to detain indefinitely – and our entire legal system has been transformed on a variety of fronts, placing huge questions about illegal searches, warrantless arrest, indefinite detention, torture and other matters behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy, outside the reach of courts.

And yet, nobody is paying attention. While America obsesses over Russia, Stormy Daniels and Kim Jong-Un, almost no one is covering Kareem’s trial. His race-against-time effort to escape the American killing machine is too surreal, even in the Trump era. But it’s also a potentially devastating last-straw moment in the history of America’s recent dystopian slide, with the executive branch asking for the ultimate in dictatorial powers: the right to kill even its own citizens without having to explain itself.

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Nobody seems to know what would happen if Kareem or Zaidan tried to come to court, another thing that makes this case uniquely bizarre. Would Kareem be allowed to walk in and take a seat at the plaintiff’s table? Would he be placed under arrest outside the courthouse? Stuffed in the trunk of a Crown Victoria at the airport?

Kareem didn’t have a guess, and the Department of Justice will not comment. So Kareem and Zaidan are represented in person here by a young, quick-witted lawyer named Tara Plochocki, of the Beltway firm Lewis Baach Kaufmann Middlemiss, partners to Reprieve.

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Elliott technically works for the Justice Department, but it’s not clear what other agency or agencies he represents here. The DOJ wouldn’t specify, relaying in a statement: “Federal Programs Branch attorneys litigate on behalf of approximately 100 federal agencies, the President, Cabinet officers, and other government officials.”

The purpose of this hearing is to consider a motion Elliott has made to dismiss the Zaidan/Kareem suit. The government’s main argument is that neither plaintiff has “plausibly” made a case that he is on the Kill List.

Why, Elliott asks, does Kareem only mention a drone in one of the five attacks listed in the complaint? And besides, just because Kareem “experienced explosions” – this preposterous euphemism will be used repeatedly throughout the hearing – does not necessarily mean they are American explosions.

“The much more plausible explanation is that plaintiff Kareem experienced explosions in Syria because he was covering the Syrian civil war as a journalist,” offers Elliott in a monotone voice.

Collyer, sometime later, summarizes the government’s position:

“So [your] argument is that if, A, we didn’t have anything to do with it… but if we did, we did so only because of a determination that – and I’ll talk about Mr. Kareem, because he’s the one with constitutional rights – that Mr. Kareem was a grave threat to national security and the executive gets to make that determination, not a court.”

The next words out of Collyer’s mouth will reveal the plot twist to what until now has seemed like a parody of legal colloquy. She looks down to Elliott:

“Every case agrees with you on that,” she concedes.

For Kareem, a.k.a. “the one with constitutional rights,” this is the unfortunate punchline to this proceeding. This very federal court has heard drone cases before. And in each previous case, courts have punted on the “two Americas” dilemma.

Worse, by refusing to hear those cases, judges in the prior decisions inadvertently created a legal framework for future drone strikes.

The most glaring example involved a hushed-up catastrophe six years before.

One thing that particularly troubled him was that Americans had begun to remove the human element from the assassination process. One of the few things known about the Kill List is that it’s compiled in part by algorithm.

In 2014, former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden said in a public debate, “We kill people based on metadata.”

According to multiple reports and leaks, death-by-metadata could be triggered, without even knowing the target’s name, if too many derogatory checks appear on their profile. “Armed military aged males” exhibiting suspicious behavior in the wrong place can become targets, as can someone “seen to be giving out orders.” Such mathematics-based assassinations have come to be known as “signature strikes.”

“When I learned about signature strikes, that was incredible,” Faisal says. “If the criteria is being armed or having a beard – that is everyone in Yemen.”

Desperate to bring attention not only to the injustice but also to the ineffectiveness of the program, Faisal brought a wrongful death suit to the same D.C. district court that would later hear Kareem’s case.

At one point, the family even offered to drop the suit, if President Obama would apologize. In public, that is, not with a private sack of cash.

But no apology came. Instead, Obama’s Justice Department lawyers dug in and argued that the Jaber family lacked both standing and a legal avenue to question his decisions.

The court, in the person of District Judge Ellen Huvelle, agreed.

Huvelle flipped the Jabers’ wrongful death complaint on its back in a chilling February 22nd, 2016 decision.

Citing the precedent of the al-Awlaki case, Huvelle agreed with the government: “The court lacks jurisdiction to hear plaintiffs’ claims because they present nonjusticiable political questions, which would require the Court to second-guess the executive’s policy determinations in matters that fall outside of judicial capabilities.”

As a result, the Jaber family flunked what is known as the “political question” test.

This rationale, translated into English, goes something like this: The decision to shoot a Hellfire missile in the direction of not just the wrong guy but exactly the wrong guy in Yemen was made by the executive, for reasons outside any court’s ability to assess. No civilian, in other words, could possibly have enough knowledge to judge the competence or efficacy of this act.

The essence of Faisal bin Ali Jaber v. Barack Hussein Obama et al. is that when we kill abroad, even by mistake, even in an undeclared war, this is foreign policy and therefore outside of judicial authority. This left the Jabers’ claim “nonjusticiable,” i.e., literally outside the reach of the law.

Finally, after sifting through media reports and leaks from anonymous Pakistani, Yemeni and American officials, she discovered an odd pattern. For instance, in October 2010, news leaked that Fahd al Quso, a top Al Qaeda leader and suspect in the U.S.S. Cole bombing, had been killed by a drone strike in Waziristan. Two years later, he was reported killed again in a strike in Yemen.

Gibson found that cases like al Quso’s (who actually died in the Yemeni strike) were not the exception but the rule. She looked at 41 different Kill List targets and found that each man “died” an average of three times before actually being killed.

In one extreme case, the CIA reportedly killed 76 children and 29 adults solely in attacks targeting Al Qaeda heavy Ayman al Zawahiri. They never got him. He is the current head of Al Qaeda.

In all, she found that as many as 1,147 people may have died just in attacks targeting the 41 men she studied. The victims were disproportionately children. In attacks targeting 14 men in Pakistan, 142 children died.

“Asking the court or the government to reassess a determination that they allege has already occurred, that they are authorized for lethal action, that is quintessential political question,” Elliot cries, voice shaking with intensity.

The judge shifts in her seat, pauses, and hypothesizes what a decision ordering a review would be like – some kind of one-way communication that simply asks the “people who make these decisions” (she doesn’t ask who they are) to consider new information.

“You don’t have to go interview [Kareem],” Collyer offers Elliot.

Elliott says he’d have to ask his “client,” and continues to imply, in a stern voice, that any judicial order of any kind would be an assertion of judicial authority over the process.

“I’m not actually asking to change the process,” Collyer says. “And I understand that… I don’t have jurisdiction in the first place.”

This is not good news for Kareem. A federal judge has just said, out loud, that she’s not sure she has jurisdiction over the assassination of an American citizen.

On the evening of Wednesday, June 13th, Judge Collyer hands down a stunning decision. It seems like an unprecedented victory for Plochocki, Gibson, Kareem and the Constitution.

Judge Collyer’s ruling essentially says that the government can’t kill Bilal Abdul Kareem without at least giving him a chance to complain about it in court first.

“Due process is not merely an old and dusty procedural obligation required by Robert’s Rules,” she writes. “Instead, it is a living, breathing concept that protects U.S. persons from overreaching government action even, perhaps, on an occasion of war.”

In one of the great legal understatements ever, Collyer adds, “[Kareem’s] interest in avoiding the erroneous deprivation of his life is uniquely compelling.”

...

But she veered into troubling language when she added that Kareem seeks only “his birthright… a timely assertion of his due process rights under the Constitution to be heard before he might be included on the Kill List and his First Amendment rights to free speech before he might be targeted for lethal action” (emphasis mine).

This is just the beginning of what will surely be a fight for the ages. Civil cases in America can last years, and few are this complex.

The state has a few options, any of which could still end up with the drone murder of Americans pre-sanctified. It can go ahead and show that it properly followed its own secret guidelines in concluding that Kareem is a terrorist, and still “direct lethal force” at him.

Or the government could appeal Collyer’s ruling with a higher three-judge circuit court panel, and the suit could still be dismissed.

If they do that, and win there, Gibson, Kareem and his team will be right back to where they started: staring at a world where an American citizen cannot walk into a courtroom to contest his or her own extralegal execution.

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[kingv]

I don't know if you can say definitively that nobody knew, the FBI might have known during their investigation, the CIA probably keeps tabs on Veselnitskaya and/or Akhmetshin. Kushner reported he met with her for his security clearance, although not where I assume. It just may not have been in the hands of someone willing to leak it yet or the Times might have sat on it for a while too.

You can’t say for certain, of course, but we do know that the investigation is at least said to have started in the summer (after the meeting), it’s not referenced in the dodgy dossier directly, and that the investigation started because of Papadopoulos talking to the Australian diplomat.

So it’s certainly possible that they weren’t yet aware of it.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1020332899164475392

Apparently the tape was seized in the raid.

To me it’s mostly interesting because unless this was a one time event, Cohen(which was rumored) is apparently the type of guy that tapes his crimes. Which, you know, could come in handy for prosecutors.

[kingv]

Tony Podesta, founder of the now-shuttered Podesta Group and brother to former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, has been offered immunity by special counsel Robert Mueller to testify against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, according to a report.

Fox News' Tucker Carlson announced on his show Thursday evening that two separate sources confirmed the offer.

"In other words, for a near identical crime, Bill and Hillary's friend could escape and emerge completely unscathed while Paul Manafort may rot in jail. Only one of them made the mistake of chairing Donald Trump's presidential campaign," Carlson said.

Yeah, but Podesta will probably wind up dead like most Clinton friends or Seth Rich, Tucker.

So if Tony Podesta is arrested this month... does that mean Q is right?

Because he just said “Podesta”.

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1020332899164475392

Apparently the tape was seized in the raid.

To me it’s mostly interesting because unless this was a one time event, Cohen(which was rumored) is apparently the type of guy that tapes his crimes. Which, you know, could come in handy for prosecutors.

I think that is the least of the problems with this.

What do you want to bet that this tape proves that trump had that Elliot Broidy pay Shera Bechard $1.6 million dollars as hush money for the abortion?

There’s been all sorts of weird shit about that situation. Elliot Broidy never actually confirmed an affair with her and recently stopped payments. This might be because he is facing legal trouble by making an illegal campaign contribution and he is now either cooperating or his lawyer is like “dude you need to stop actively committing a crime”

Edit: I think there is another playboy model too that is more of a normal trump situation so it could be that too.

[Nintex]

Don't worry. Rudy is on the case.

Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, confirmed in a telephone conversation on Friday that Mr. Trump had discussed the payments with Mr. Cohen on the tape but said the payment was ultimately never made. He said the recording was less than two minutes and demonstrated that the president had done nothing wrong.

“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented.

But really if all they dug up at Cohen's is a tape of Trump talking about a playboy model.... 

[Mandark]

After every story on Trump some dingus says "well if this is the only thing they can dig up on him" and then there's some more shit 17 minutes later.

[agrajag]

Remember, Nintex is the "bothsides on the Q Anon" guy

[Nintex]

After every story on Trump some dingus says "well if this is the only thing they can dig up on him" and then there's some more shit 17 minutes later.

Literally in the same interview even

https://twitter.com/KaraScannell/status/1020349382405894144

But Rudy is the agent of CHAOS. 

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Is it finally over, you wonder?
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1020351014061342723
No this is not the end. This is merely the end of the beginning. 

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[Mandark]

would you consider putting images and tweets in spoiler tags?

I don't mind your posts all being bad but it's sort of a pain that they take up so much space

[Nintex]

The GOP is fully committed to the fuckery.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1020155346629873664

[agrajag]

who would've doubted?

Look at the face of that Nunes putz, he looks like a character from a Larry David show. All that's missing is some sad trombone music.

[Nintex]

who would've doubted?

Look at the face of that Nunes putz, he looks like a character from a Larry David show. All that's missing is some sad trombone music.

What sort of tape would Putin have on him? 

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I'm starting to think that after the nomination the RNC had a massive orgy with Trump as some sort of skull and bones secret society ritual to elect the new leader and Putin has the tapes.   

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[Joe Molotov]

What Nunes said was, he doesn't see why you WOULDN'T be able to subpoena them.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Paul Manafort more like Paul Manacuck

https://mobile.twitter.com/HiIamMikeC/status/1020367743038603264

[Nintex]

Paul Manafort more like Paul Manacuck

https://mobile.twitter.com/HiIamMikeC/status/1020367743038603264

Jesus christ, the Deep state is really fighting back today. 

With that said it's not very classy to leak the texts of his children worried about their mother. It feels wrong.

[kingv]

Also, he loved BBC!

And there’s tapes! We need THOSE tapes.

[Joe Molotov]

Have a little class, Borians. Please stop kink-shaming this piece of shit sex pervert.

[Nintex]

Also, he loved BBC!

And there’s tapes! We need THOSE tapes.

So THAT's the tape Putin has.

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6 black men, Donald Trump, some Asians, pissing Russians and Paul Manaforts' wife as he sits doped out in the corner.
Silly #resistance thinks that Putin organized it but stupid Watergate arranged it themselves and he found it on Pornhub

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[agrajag]

Also, he loved BBC!

And there’s tapes! We need THOSE tapes.

no we don't

[Nintex]

When the press asks Putin: "Do you have any compromising material on these people?"

His new response will be: "Which particular volume or fetish are you looking for? I'm a fan of the work of Roger Stone and the clowns myself but missus Manafort also has her share of fans among the officers of our intelligence community." 

[kingv]

Mature White Woman and Xanned out cuck take BBC’s!

[Great Rumbler]

The GOP is fully committed to the fuckery.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1020155346629873664

Nunes has been carrying water for Trump from the start, so no surprise here.

[Steve Contra]

They didn't even need Nunes to do that, that would be a reasonable application of executive privilege. I think?

This, there was no way it was going to happen anyway, the dems just wanted to further make this look bad.

[Joe Molotov]

It's incredible to me how often Nunes trips over himself to look like Dufus Supreme. He's like a character out of Veep.

Where do you think these people learn how to legislate? This is what happens when you get rid of civics classes in public schools.

[agrajag]

Wasn't he a farmer or something prior to his political career?

[Nintex]

Mitch McConnell has a warning for Democrats demanding copious documents on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh: Be careful what you wish for.

The Senate majority leader privately told senior Republicans on Wednesday that if Democrats keep pushing for access to upwards of a million pages in records from President Donald Trump’s high court pick, he’s prepared to let Kavanaugh’s confirmation vote slip until just before November’s midterm elections, according to multiple sources.

Delaying the vote past September would serve a dual purpose for McConnell, keeping vulnerable red-state Democrats off the campaign trail while potentially forcing anti-Kavanaugh liberals to swallow a demoralizing defeat just ahead of the midterms. Senators said McConnell believes the Democratic base will be “deflated” if they raise hopes of defeating Kavanaugh only to lose just days before the election.

You can't hold a vote on a supreme court nomination during an election year. Unless you want to do it days before the election in some kind of convoluted and vindictive plot to protect the president.

Holy shit. Mitch would own the libs so hard and he'd rub in their faces.

I like how the GOP platform went from defending the constitution, atlas shrugged, war against terrorists, family values and free markets to defending Trump and triggering the libs.

[Nintex]

BRUH
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020642287725043712

 

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Has anyone bothered to mention to Trump that he is the head of that government? 

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[kingv]

Worth mentioning that one party recording of conversations is legal in New York.

[hungrynoob]

Was I not just saying this the other day?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/trump-poised-to-take-control-of-the-federal-reserve.html

Dick Bove: Trump poised to take control of the Federal Reserve

President Donald Trump has multiple reasons as to why he should take control of the Federal Reserve. He will do so both because he can and because his broader policies argue that he should do so. The president is anti-overregulating American industry. The Fed is a leader in pushing stringent regulation on the nation. By raising interest rates and stopping the growth in the money supply it stands in the way of further growth in the American economy.

When you get your economy back, maybe capitalism can go back to the way it was intended for you guys and things can seriously start to improve.

I know i'll get the usual "but hasnt happened yet" but it will come.

[Great Rumbler]

maybe capitalism can go back to the way it was intended

*insert pictures of children working in coal mines*

[benjipwns]

The president can and will take control of the Fed. It may be recalled when the law was written creating the Federal Reserve the secretary of the Treasury was designated as the head of the Federal Reserve. We are going to return to that era. Like it or not the Fed is about to be politicized.

Not only is this dude's writing terrible, but he's apparently been trapped in a Thai cave for 60 years.

[Nola]

Was I not just saying this the other day?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/trump-poised-to-take-control-of-the-federal-reserve.html

Dick Bove: Trump poised to take control of the Federal Reserve

President Donald Trump has multiple reasons as to why he should take control of the Federal Reserve. He will do so both because he can and because his broader policies argue that he should do so. The president is anti-overregulating American industry. The Fed is a leader in pushing stringent regulation on the nation. By raising interest rates and stopping the growth in the money supply it stands in the way of further growth in the American economy.

When you get your economy back, maybe capitalism can go back to the way it was intended for you guys and things can seriously start to improve.

I know i'll get the usual "but hasnt happened yet" but it will come.

What do you think this article is saying exactly? And what specifically are you saying is going to happen?

Because filling vacancies with what are so far in addition to Powell, another two fairly normal, overly deregulatory boiler plate Republicans, people you would probably expect to find in a Romney presidency or something, is not really what I think of when someone following Q anon tries to infer that fed policy is about to radically change to reshape capitalism or when I hear someone exclaim a looming executive takeover of the Fed is imminent.

[Nintex]

No wonder Trump got so much shit over him this week. He's fighting the FED and liberating the money.

The future liberals want



The future trump wants

[Mandark]

back to more nintex spam cool

[seagrams hotsauce]

Was I not just saying this the other day?

probably not

[Kara]

The president can and will take control of the Fed. It may be recalled when the law was written creating the Federal Reserve the secretary of the Treasury was designated as the head of the Federal Reserve. We are going to return to that era. Like it or not the Fed is about to be politicized.

Not only is this dude's writing terrible, but he's apparently been trapped in a Thai cave for 60 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/business/12suit.html

[Nola]

Dumb nintex posts aside, outside of regulatory issues, I don’t think there is actually that much distance between the fed interest rate policy that a number of people on the left generally prefer for the moment and the one Trump prefers right now(and based on his grasp of fed policy, probably forever). Though for seemingly much more legitimate reasons than Trump channeling Erdogan and forever blindly chasing risky maximum short term growth through a warped and eventually self-defeating view of monetary policy.

[benjipwns]

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/business/12suit.html

BankAtlantic, a Florida bank, sued him, accusing him of defamation after he wrote a report about the banking industry in July 2008, just as the financial crisis was starting to boil over. The bank contended that the report falsely suggested that the institution was in trouble.

By September, 2010, the corporation's share price was about a dollar.

SEC files a civil lawsuit against BankAtlantic and Chairman and CEO Alan B. Levan over allegations that they misled investors about the loan problems at the bank

[zomgee]

BRUH
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020642287725043712

 

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Has anyone bothered to mention to Trump that he is the head of that government? 

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Well, I mean my favorite president *did* lie about getting a blow job.

[Kara]

benji, there's a part in that article where a BB&T exec is quoted in defense of the analyst and they ended up buying BankAtlantic.

[Kara]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/janus-afscme-illinois-policy-institute-job-ruling-fair-share-union-dues/

[Mandark]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/janus-afscme-illinois-policy-institute-job-ruling-fair-share-union-dues/

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

fuck


edit: They put a disclaimer at the end that some labor groups have ownership interests in the Sun-Times, even though they're private sector unions and not affected by Janus. Should media outlets run disclaimers on labor issues when they're owned by capitalists?

[benjipwns]

I assumed that maybe the union in the story was one of them and that might make sense, but nope just a bunch of other random ones.

[Mandark]

On the Mic Dicta podcast they called that Janus was a mole.

good jon, scotus

[benjipwns]

Janus, 65, had worked as a $71,000-per-year child support specialist at the Illinois Department of Healthcare and Family Services in Springfield.
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As a senior fellow, Janus will serve as a spokesman and workers’ rights advocate, according to the think tank, which didn’t disclose his salary.

double dip

[Mandark]

A hallmark of the Roberts court seems to be playing dumb about the effects of its decisions.

Shelby County: We're not gutting the VRA, we're giving a Republican Congress the chance to step in and fix it.

Citizens United: We're not creating a loophole for unlimited, untaxed political spending, this is only for social welfare groups who aren't "primarily" political organizations. The IRS will figure it out.

Trump v. Hawaii: This might seem like we're validating the logic of Korematsu, but we put in a part where we say "Korematsu is bad!" so it's different.

[Boogie]

In my experience, that’s a hallmark of supreme courts generally, because it rings true for some of our decisions up here too.  Though not as extreme in the consequences.

[benjipwns]

Last year I looked into the Canadian Supreme Court and its rulings over the history for the first time and it made me feel warmth towards our mortal enemies. That finally there was something that we and the Canadians had in common. Tortured opinions by courts of last resort even when there's simpler ways to get the same result. Especially anything related to aboriginals/Native Americans. (edit: should really say also NATIONAL SECURITY)

Though I have to say, I think basically any ruling related to Quebec I read does more goofy stretching than say Wickard.

Reference questions are actually kinda neat I thought, we specifically took that power away from our Courts*, although some states allow it.

*I suppose technically they took that power away from themselves.

[Kara]

edit: They put a disclaimer at the end that some labor groups have ownership interests in the Sun-Times, even though they're private sector unions and not affected by Janus. Should media outlets run disclaimers on labor issues when they're owned by capitalists?

Democracy Amazon.com reporting dies in darkness the Washington Post.

[benjipwns]

The Trump administration’s separation of migrant children from their parents is “one of the darkest moments in our history,” former Vice President Joe Biden contended on Friday night.

“Grotesque lies—lies about immigrants, about crime, about costs to the community. They’re simply lies—factually inaccurate,” said Biden. “And look folks, this administration’s policies that literally rip babies from the arms of their mothers and fathers — one of the darkest moments in our history.”

Joe, I think we're going to have to work on fine tuning this a little before you go up against those young clean and articulate progressives.

[Mandark]

Commissioner Joe Biden fires up the Pedant-Signal.

[Optimus]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/janus-afscme-illinois-policy-institute-job-ruling-fair-share-union-dues/

Expected and disgusting.

[benjipwns]

PD's fav:

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1020356232866074624

 

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1020045682823057409