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[HaughtyFrank]

I really noticed this US centrism when some people on gaf were confounded that part of what fueled the Brexit was the dislike of Eastern European immigrants despite those being whiter than white.

[benjipwns]

I really noticed this US centrism when some people on gaf were confounded that part of what fueled the Brexit was the dislike of Eastern European immigrants despite those being whiter than white.

and lack of historical perspective, the U.S. immigration bans of the 1920s (which birthed the modern immigration system) were focused on Eastern Europeans due to their threat of undermining American democracy with inferior genetics

[clothedmacuser]

Shouldn't a guy that messed up have a case worker?

[Assimilate]

I don’t think you are wrong in the last part, but being a smug dick about sociology when your point of views regarding race and society has been so stupid and ignorant...

I'm not sure how i've been ignorant. Point something out and i'll reflect on it.

Latin America is a group of countries and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere where Spanish, French and Portuguese are spoken. Wikipedia

Brasilians tend not to want to be lumped in with the rest of "latin america" a lot of times. It's arrogant, sure, but hey they're the biggest country in the southern hemisphere

[benjipwns]

I really noticed this US centrism when some people on gaf were confounded that part of what fueled the Brexit was the dislike of Eastern European immigrants despite those being whiter than white.

and lack of historical perspective, the U.S. immigration bans of the 1920s (which birthed the modern immigration system) were focused on Eastern Europeans due to their threat of undermining American democracy with inferior genetics

Yes, yes, post your garbage.

Fine, I will:

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As the former President of MIT has said:

He argued that the "indiscriminate hospitality" to more whose homes would be "filled by others as miserable as themselves" would not make up for any "permanent injury done to our republic," and that with the success of the American "experiment more would be done for the [home nations] than allowing its city slums and its vast stagnant reservoirs of degraded peasantry to be drained off upon our soil."

And Representative Johnson warns:

in a few years down the road without further restriction the currently despairing immigrants "will be pounding heavily at the very pillars of our government, where those who have come ahead of them a few years back with their socialism, their communism, their [revolutions], have merely gnawing like rats at our foundations."

Representative Box of Texas has outlined our future:

if America destroyed the "work of our fathers" and became "another Europe or Asia" leaving a world that would "grow visibly darker, even to the people of foreign lands, and all that is worth living for will have been lost to us, whether we came recently or our fathers came long ago."

Senator Heflin pointed out that in past wars we went:

"across the seas to defeat a foreign foe and prevent a foreign army from invading America" the current immigration laws were allowing "the enemy through loopholes to come right into the American household." Heflin asserted that if American troops had "fought to keep the enemy out, surely we can vote for a law that will keep out the dangerous and deadly enemies of the country"

Republican Congressman Cable of Ohio:

called for the two parties to "unite in forming an 'American bloc' and that neither yield to the foreign influence," declaring that "partisan politics have no place in this patriotic question."

He also noted that in certain cities, illegal immigrants were being favored by local policy:

eighty percent of the city's population was "foreign-stock" and that the vote displayed "the effect of the foreign born in the United States in attempting to dictate to Congress what laws should [be made].”"

Representative Box was on point when he argued this isn't discrimination, instead that:

"America has the gift of citizenship, home and opportunity to bestow as she chooses upon the worthy alien people who she many select, no Government and no group" has the right to question the exercise of America's discretion in making such a choice

He also pointed out of that many of these illegal immigrant groups are basically making the equivalent of a threat that:

"we already have admitted among us large, dangerous elements, and that we must admit more of them to keep them in a good and orderly humor."

While Republican Bill Vaile has knocked down all the hooey about how important immigrants are to America:

"it seems rather illogical to claim that those who have been for the shortest time in the process of assimilation and in the work of the Republic should have even greater or even equal consideration because of this very newness." And that it was "a fact, not merely an argument, that this country was created, kept united and developed" almost entirely by people who came here from the countries of Northern and Western Europe."

But it's Democrat Stengle of New York who might best sum up the importance of borders, language, culture:

"many of the inhabitants of these cities appear to be tied up to foreign countries by their sympathies, customs, interests, and aspirations, and apparently but little interested in the future welfare of their adopted country."

 

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[Boredfrom]

Portuguese is a latin language. Let’s try with pretending that Brazil is not Latin American because “don’t speak Spanish”.

[benjipwns]

Is Quebec part of Latin America?

[Cream]

The angle that was the closest to make sense as an argument against Kingdom Come Nazi was that people might have deliberately chosen a setting with no diversity in skin colour to begin with. But even that is reaching, since we aren't exactly swimming in medieval games and it's not really an outlandish desire to simulate the era (especially since there's never been such a thing without stupid ass goblins and dragons, outside of RTS' anyway). And while there is no objective history and we can't *really* fully prove anything without a time machine, you have to be particularly limited to think that the ethnic heterogeneity of the modern US is anything but an exception in the grand scheme of things.

I don’t think it’s that reaching.

People intentionally create games to be more diverse and inclusive. I don’t think it far fetched a racist would go for an all white region.

[Dennis]

Latin America is a group of countries and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere where Spanish, French and Portuguese are spoken. Wikipedia

French?

Which Latin American countries are these?

[BisMarckie]

Latin America is a group of countries and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere where Spanish, French and Portuguese are spoken. Wikipedia

French?

Which Latin American countries are these?

French Guiana and Martinique off the top of my head.

[Dennis]

Latin America is a group of countries and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere where Spanish, French and Portuguese are spoken. Wikipedia

French?

Which Latin American countries are these?

French Guiana and Martinique off the top of my head.

Those sound like made-up countries.

[BisMarckie]

And HAITI, bitches

Of course I forgot the most obvious one the only time I wanted to appear smart and educated.

[BisMarckie]

Those sound like made-up countries.

User was banned(duration pending): Francophobia

[Boredfrom]

The angle that was the closest to make sense as an argument against Kingdom Come Nazi was that people might have deliberately chosen a setting with no diversity in skin colour to begin with. But even that is reaching, since we aren't exactly swimming in medieval games and it's not really an outlandish desire to simulate the era (especially since there's never been such a thing without stupid ass goblins and dragons, outside of RTS' anyway). And while there is no objective history and we can't *really* fully prove anything without a time machine, you have to be particularly limited to think that the ethnic heterogeneity of the modern US is anything but an exception in the grand scheme of things.

I don’t think it’s that reaching.

People intentionally create games to be more diverse and inclusive. I don’t think it far fetched a racist would go for an all white region.

There is probably cheaper genres and regions to make a racist wet dream game than Medieval Bohemia.

[Broseidon]

So was it an all-White area chosen because he's a racist, or an area with a non-negligible non-White population that were erased because he's racist

[benjipwns]

I don’t think it’s that reaching.

People intentionally create games to be more diverse and inclusive. I don’t think it far fetched a racist would go for an all white region.

There is probably cheaper genres and regions to make a racist wet dream game than Medieval Bohemia.

Tim Soret's The Last Night being a perfect example.

[HaughtyFrank]

The angle that was the closest to make sense as an argument against Kingdom Come Nazi was that people might have deliberately chosen a setting with no diversity in skin colour to begin with. But even that is reaching, since we aren't exactly swimming in medieval games and it's not really an outlandish desire to simulate the era (especially since there's never been such a thing without stupid ass goblins and dragons, outside of RTS' anyway). And while there is no objective history and we can't *really* fully prove anything without a time machine, you have to be particularly limited to think that the ethnic heterogeneity of the modern US is anything but an exception in the grand scheme of things.

I don’t think it’s that reaching.

People intentionally create games to be more diverse and inclusive. I don’t think it far fetched a racist would go for an all white region.

There is probably cheaper genres and regions to make a racist wet dream game than Medieval Bohemia.

The setting is also directly related to the heritage of the devs. It's not like they went out of their way to find this setting.

[benjipwns]

So was it an all-White area chosen because he's a racist, or an area with a non-negligible non-White population that were erased because he's racist

Prove he didn't use his newfound riches from the game to go back in time and erase that non-White population. The burden of proof is on those arguing against inclusiveness.

[benjipwns]

That's a Latin-American game, isn't it?

Latin-Swedish

[etiolate]

User Warned by useless mods who don't help out poor cream: "hertiage" is a well known racist dogwhsitle unless referring to our roots in Wakanda

[benjipwns]

at least now, no matter how racist the colonizers in the European game industry and society are, we'll always be able to say "Wakanda Forever"

[Boredfrom]

But... is not the whole point of the movie that Wakanda did wrong by ignoring the rest of the world and that Killmonger “Americanized” strategies were only going to create more hate and suffering (and that he is very well aware of that but doesn’t care because “Fuck the world”)

[Assimilate]

Portuguese is a latin language. Let’s try with pretending that Brazil is not Latin American because “don’t speak Spanish”.

Boredfrom, don't hate me because i braided my asshair without consulting cream first

[Uncle]

Is this the first restera cry-for-help suicide thread?

Nope.

This user was in a super dark place making a desperate cry for help, eventually asked to be banned, and they promptly locked it without attempting to provide any sort of help or care.

This user was incredibly depressed, talking about relief via their gun, and they got exactly 3 posts of comfort and empathy before the thread failed to get any replies.

Makes me remember the threads at gaf where people used to say that some nice gaffer PM'd them and talked them back from the brink, how gaf saved their life.  Era setting a real good example for how to treat suicidal people here.

[wsippel]

Well, turns out my week long REEEE ban was upgraded to a permaban because I'm a junior or some shit. Considering my account is as old as REEE itself, I assume that wasn't actually the reason...

Reminds me of the thread on Aladdin wherein people bemoaning the skin darkening of white dudes due to a lack of Arabic actors proposed the solution of just grabbing any ol Brown person around (cuz they’re all the same)

And it doesn't even make sense for Aladdin, considering it's an Asian story. So casting brown people would be kinda racist as well.

[wsippel]

What post did you get banned for?

Something "racist" about genetics. Some other user in the thread called out the mods for banning me for no reason and got a warning. I think whichever mod banned me (Rowlf?) was the only dumbfuck in the whole thread who thought my post was racist.

[wsippel]

Yeah but you gotta link to it so we can laugh at you 

I'm afraid it wasn't even funny: https://www.resetera.com/posts/5238297/

[Uncle]

I don't think anything should be considered beyond scrutiny or doing the science again.  Performing a test that doesn't physically harm anything should never be taboo.  At worst you can scratch your head and consider it waste of time and resources on a settled matter, but at best you've got another study you can cite to back up your claims, or a study you can try to refute.

[etiolate]

referencing rationalwiki lol

edit:


We have populations. Race is a poor, archaic word choice. I doubt the claim we can't find DNA evidence of population differences is true. We are very much alike in DNA, but there are variances that show up in populations. Skin color, hair color, hair thickness, bone density, and so on. Asian cultures lack milk products in their cuisine. Half of the asian population has lactose intolerance. Asians have dry flakey earwax. So do Native Americans, who we assume arrived here from the Asian continent.

Seems about ten percent of DNA variance is between populations.

It's a losing approach to allow the conversation to only belong to racists. It seems to be an education level problem, because even the racists who discuss it do not understand how it all works. The people who are scared of it think its a bigger claim than it is as well.

[etiolate]

I read part of “Losing Ground” by Murray, and good lord that book was garbage.

And IQ is garbage. I knew a guy who bragged about his, and no one liked him.

[Cream]

I don't think anything should be considered beyond scrutiny or doing the science again.  Performing a test that doesn't physically harm anything should never be taboo.  At worst you can scratch your head and consider it waste of time and resources on a settled matter, but at best you've got another study you can cite to back up your claims, or a study you can try to refute.

And “Are some races genetically smarter than others”   Is one question that people will always think we havent answered yet until we get the answer they like

[etiolate]

the IQ model is a distribution model where an average IQ is just that: an average

A IQ comparisons between populations are dealing with a ginormous number of individual subjects summarized by a single average. If group A has an average IQ of 115 and group B has an average IQ of 125 then that doesn't mean someone out of group A has an IQ of 115.

It's only relevant if we're looking at questions involving huge populations. It's not relevant to everyday life. And it's certainly not justification for anything. It's only an element of information that has to be contextualized.

[wsippel]

I don't think anything should be considered beyond scrutiny or doing the science again.  Performing a test that doesn't physically harm anything should never be taboo.  At worst you can scratch your head and consider it waste of time and resources on a settled matter, but at best you've got another study you can cite to back up your claims, or a study you can try to refute.

Pretty much. Our understanding of genetics and neurology is extremely limited as is (there is no "scientific consensus", as some folks in that thread claimed), so any research in those fields is welcome in my book. I personally consider those two fields, and their connection, some of the most fundamental and important topics in science, but it's also a field many scientists don't really want to tackle. For obvious reasons.

For example, brain scans have shown that many mass murderers and violent criminals share certain neuronal patterns. And you can't "fix" those. But what can you actually do with this information? It clashes with our basic concept of crime and punishment.

[benjipwns]

I think it's an unanswerable question because we can't know what future races will exist. So to set it in stone at any time in any manner is going far beyond what we're capable of.

Like I think NASCAR events tend to be incredibly dumb races, but somebody might invent something even dumber and more popular at any time.

[Transhuman]

Zero-g Space-curling is the future of sport.

[etiolate]

nah, the future is ethletic sword dodging

[Cream]

 This is a sincere question,  are the scientists that laugh away anyone that considers the question about genetic Racial intelligence also influenced by that fear or does that come from their trust in the science that already exists?

[benjipwns]

As long as it doesn't cater to racists like Michael Phelps, Jeff Gordon and Marit Bjorgen either is fine by me.

[etiolate]

You cannot read my brilliance, but the "scientists" if they exist that laugh away the conversation are indeed operating out of fear.

If someone wants a study: https://www.ashg.org/education/pdf/geneticvariation.pdf

edit: it seemed cream wanted something on racial intelligence, which there is not yet much known. There are genetic differences in populations.

And I'd rather the term population be popularized because it more reflects what is being discussed. We keep using a culturalized term of race when discussing the studies of human as a species and the impact of tribal to large group isolation periods.

[wsippel]

And “Are some races genetically smarter than others”   Is one question that people will always think we havent answered yet until we get the answer they like

Well, it's a question we really haven't answered yet, because we don't even know what "smart" actually is or how it works.

For example, we know women have smaller brains than men, but more gray matter. Does that make them dumber or smarter? We don't know! Because we don't actually understand how brains work.

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5630897/

Thread is milquetoast as fuck what could possibly need review.

[Cream]

I'm sorry for asking what stupid fucking thing you posted because now this thread is descending into hell again.
 

 But I was trying really hard to keep it civil this time!  Didn’t you see daddy?

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5630897/

Thread is milquetoast as fuck what could possibly need review.

That's what the review will find out.

[samfish]

We should just call ourselves breeds instead of races. Some breeds of did are definitely smarter that others on average. Why can't different breeds of people be smarter than others? Makes sense to me.

Woof.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5630897/

Thread is milquetoast as fuck what could possibly need review.

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5627761/

Yeah, a lot of girls are flakey

[benjipwns]

Really, if you think about it, all threads that receive so many posts should automatically be locked and placed in a queue until reviewed by a committee of moderators (each member having a number of votes based on a progressive stack system) to determine unanimously whether or not it should be reopened for further discussion.

[Assimilate]

We should just call ourselves breeds instead of races. Some breeds of did are definitely smarter that others on average. Why can't different breeds of people be smarter than others? Makes sense to me.

Woof.

Differences in breeds of all types of animals is ok, hell even differences in athleticism is ok amongst populations in humans but intelligence? psst of course not you racist!

[etiolate]

crossbreeds 

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5630897/

Thread is milquetoast as fuck what could possibly need review.

That's what the review will find out.

If this thread isn’t problematic, why is it locked? 

[Cream]

 As far as I know and this is admittedly like 75% assumption reviews like that happen if the thread gets a large number of reports

[benjipwns]

We should just call ourselves breeds instead of races. Some breeds of did are definitely smarter that others on average. Why can't different breeds of people be smarter than others? Makes sense to me.

Woof.

I will wait for Great Rumbler's take on this subject before commenting further. Especially since he's a mod. A good mod. Yes, he is. Who's the good moderator? Who's the good moderator?

[Assimilate]

As far as I know and this is admittedly like 75% assumption reviews like that happen if the thread gets a large number of reports

Is that why you have a bunch of alt-accounts so you can click that report button on as many posts as possible? 

[Cream]

YOU DON'T SAY

 The way people were talking it seemed like the mods locked it for review just because they thought the content was problematic . Srry bb

[samfish]

Sometimes I wish I was single just so I could try Tinder or Grinder or whatever those dating/fuck apps are all about.

But then I remembered I tried signing up for this site once and for rejected within 1 minute and count my lucky stars I married a woman way, way hotter than I deserve.
https://www.beautifulpeople.com/en-US

[samir]

YOU DON'T SAY

 The way people were talking it seemed like the mods locked it for review just because they thought the content was problematic . Srry bb

The question is why do the REEtards chimp out in every thread and spam the report button?

[samfish]

We should just call ourselves breeds instead of races. Some breeds of did are definitely smarter that others on average. Why can't different breeds of people be smarter than others? Makes sense to me.

Woof.

I will wait for Great Rumbler's take on this subject before commenting further. Especially since he's a mod. A good mod. Yes, he is. Who's the good moderator? Who's the good moderator?

I'm glad someone saw post yet another one of my many, many autocorrect typos because I never ever spell change my posts.

[daemon]

The angle that was the closest to make sense as an argument against Kingdom Come Nazi was that people might have deliberately chosen a setting with no diversity in skin colour to begin with. But even that is reaching, since we aren't exactly swimming in medieval games and it's not really an outlandish desire to simulate the era (especially since there's never been such a thing without stupid ass goblins and dragons, outside of RTS' anyway). And while there is no objective history and we can't *really* fully prove anything without a time machine, you have to be particularly limited to think that the ethnic heterogeneity of the modern US is anything but an exception in the grand scheme of things.

I don’t think it’s that reaching.

People intentionally create games to be more diverse and inclusive. I don’t think it far fetched a racist would go for an all white region.

There is probably cheaper genres and regions to make a racist wet dream game than Medieval Bohemia.

The setting is also directly related to the heritage of the devs. It's not like they went out of their way to find this setting.

Don't you dare normalize it!

[Transhuman]

Sam, have you forgotten what hookups are like? You have as vanilla sex as possible or you take a shot in the dark and try to do something really risky, lasts like twenty minutes, then you leave and stew in your ennui or god forbid you stay and pretend to fall asleep or stare at the ceiling in regret. Meanwhile when you bone your waifu you can just go at it lazily while playing angry birds and they don't even give a shit. And you don't have to pay for a cab. Plus hookup sex happens every two weeks, maybe every week at best, and wife sex happens like once every five hours if you're doing your life right. Win.

Nah bro, feminism. I aint paying for SHIT.

[clothedmacuser]

This is a sincere question,  are the scientists that laugh away anyone that considers the question about genetic Racial intelligence also influenced by that fear or does that come from their trust in the science that already exists?

I think most scientists are smart or cynical enough to know that's not a question you can even begin to ask without seeing funding dry up.  It would be neat to see if some isolated races are "math" smart or "spatially" smart but but anything found could be thoroughly annihilated by social sciences.  It's pretty easy to find nurturing behavior that explained away any nature causes.

[Broseidon]

not moving from one fwb to another because youre a cunt and self-sabotage all the potential actual relationships