River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

I'm sure SweetNicole was considered "one of the pure ones." Didn't prevent her from getting dogpiled and banned for a simple avatar bet, tho 

the image she posted wasn't funny, this is serious

[BIONIC]

Thread blew up to 10 pages while I was gone

Shut the fuck, Benji.

[benjipwns]

Woke up, 10 news pages

Who did what?

Boogie1488 kept his horrible rotten teeth and eventually it led to this:

WE GOT IT EVERYBODY, WE'RE DONE

Site has been bleeding POC and women for awhile now

CONGRATS TO ALL WHO WORKED SO HARD FOR THIS

And the entire thing was planned by Poland from the start.

[Nintex]

Woke up, 10 news pages

Who did what?

Boogie1488 kept his horrible rotten teeth and eventually it led to this:

WE GOT IT EVERYBODY, WE'RE DONE

Site has been bleeding POC and women for awhile now

CONGRATS TO ALL WHO WORKED SO HARD FOR THIS

And the entire thing was planned by Poland from the start.

They should've allowed for free passage to Danzig.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Woke up, 10 news pages

Who did what?

Boogie1488 kept his horrible rotten teeth and eventually it led to this:

WE GOT IT EVERYBODY, WE'RE DONE

Site has been bleeding POC and women for awhile now

CONGRATS TO ALL WHO WORKED SO HARD FOR THIS

And the entire thing was planned by Poland from the start.

Ugh, this is awful. Both the widespread dismissal of an important discussion and so many feeling compelled to insult someone for daring to question their favourite gaming company.

I thought era was better than this.

Hows that saying go? We tried to tell ya'll.

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I have made friends I can barely remember what it was like to not know.

No we know who banned hfcs nicole.

[benjipwns]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-12-a-conversation-with-the-artist-behind-that-cyberpunk-2077-poster

"I'm not surprised people have questions," Redesiuk told me. "I'm currently taking care of in-game media, so branding and advertisements for the various corporations. And in this dystopian future, these megacorporations are oppressive, they've basically taken over and prescribe who people live. They constantly, aggressively sell everything.

Redesiuk and I are standing next to a poster which says 'three mouths, one desire'. It's a nod to Total Recall's 'I wish I had three hands' scene, she says, but also an example of the grotesque sex movies available in Cyberpunk 2077's world.

"So yes, we have a person with both breasts and a penis on an advertisement, done on purpose, because it's terrible to exploit people's bodies like this," Redesiuk continues.

The poster in question is an advert for Chromanticore, a regular cola, one of many fictional drink brands in the game.

"We thought this would be a brand which would slap a body on the advert and think nothing of it. It's a terrible thing to say 'mix it up' [the poster's tagline]. We're emulating what a company would say in Cyberpunk 2077."

Another comment I've is that this comes as one of the first examples of Cyberpunk 2077's transgender characters (after earlier similar controversy) and that it wasn't an ideal start to that conversation.

"People need representation, and representation in a good way," Redesiuk agrees. "And in Cyberpunk 2077 we're showing a world where many of the things which may be taboo or unusual today are completely normalised. It's a world where you can go to a ripperdoc and change your body. It's become normal. We have a character creator where you can mix up appearance and voice options and make the character you want to play. And, of course, through gameplay you can roleplay the character you want through your interactions with NPCs.

"It was meant to make people feel uncomfortable," Redesiuk concludes. "Not because they're seeing someone with breasts and a penis, but because the body is being exploited. I didn't slap the penis there for people to laugh about it. There is a beautiful body there being used to sell soda."

this poor hostage is practically begging to be saved from the Polish Men of CDPR at this point, why is no one doing anything?

[Boredfrom]

I like this girl.

[Nintex]

I have made friends I can barely remember what it was like to not know.

No we know who banned hfcs nicole.

LMAO that thread, back to the drum circle. We're beyond parody at this point. 

[benjipwns]

Love you dude/dudette, you are appreciated!

I was going to type up a long thing because I figured my 7000th post was coming up but I guess I already passed it by a bunch of posts.

lol

[benjipwns]

Yea you right OP and the fact that you've noticed it, and appreciate it, tells me you a good guy OP.

Shout out to excelsiorlef for always fighting the good fight.

Yes! She's a local MVP for sure.

[Don Rumata]

WHY IS DYSTOPIA DYSTOPIAN?!

[benjipwns]

Agreed. Being a gaming community it still draws a bunch of horrible people but it's nowhere near as bad as the rest of the internet.

And with every new CDPR thread comes another wave of idiots being banned so it only gets better and better.

Shout out to the mods for being amazing

this is a healthy mentality

[BisMarckie]

There are so many kinds of people, with so many different stories, who without this community would have nowhere else to go. I have learned things and connected with people I'd never have known were it not for this community. I have made friends I can barely remember what it was like to not know. I have grown a lot with the people here. I am who I am, in part, because of all of you. I would take the worst days here over the best days anywhere else because, no matter what, I believe we will always try to be better.

We must continue to work together to create a community that serves the ideals we were founded on. This is a group effort. We all have to live up to our own expectations and believe that we, together, are what make this experience meaningful. This is a challenge we should always rise to. This is a journey that should never end. There is no place else like us, and nowhere else that tries, but we are here and we try and that counts.

We must love each other. We are all we have.

All my love to you all.

At least post the entire drivel

[BisMarckie]

The ideals we were founded on.

Cerium:

[BisMarckie]

I'd just like to say that I appreciate this forum very much as it showcases that not everyone with nerdy interests is problematic and that there are progressive nerds fighting against the toxicity

I take it you haven't been on gaming side the last few days.

BOOM

[benjipwns]

hey i think we can move on:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/aonuma-wont-say-if-you-can-play-as-zelda-in-breath-of-the-wild-2.122831/

wait a minute:

Do it you cowards. Spirit tracks was cool in that if nothing else

[VomKriege]

Woke up, 10 news pages

Who did what?

Cyberpunk 2077 is a secret alt right red propaganda pill conducted by the white supremacist Polish government as clearly evidenced by one piece of art in a promotional still. Those smart pieces of shit covered their traces in advance by adapting a game written by a black man originally (because he's broke and thus gladly accept racist money), having a lead female artist authoring the aforementioned piece of art (in reality just a parrott for the chauvinists in charge) and hiring people for over 30 countries (but really they're all whites, maybe, so deep down the same).

ResetEra has failed to ban all the Russian-backed astroturfing Polish bots and refuses to bar Straight White Males from joining which definitely prove it's basically a gaming themed the_donald hellhole.

[Lonewulfeus]

Andrzej Duda #cancelled

[stufte]

hey i think we can move on:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/aonuma-wont-say-if-you-can-play-as-zelda-in-breath-of-the-wild-2.122831/

wait a minute:

Do it you cowards. Spirit tracks was cool in that if nothing else

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aonuma-wont-say-if-you-can-play-as-zelda-in-breath-of-the-wild-2.122831/post-21814015

Ugh, please no. I don’t have any desire to play as Zelda. None.

  MODS HALP!!

[cosmicblizzard]

I have made friends I can barely remember what it was like to not know.

No we know who banned hfcs nicole.

I'm kind of curious to see how he'll react when the Era meltdown happens.  He acted like his best friend died when it happened to gaf, but there weren't really any mods/admins back then getting emotional about the whole thing on the forums or twitter.

[benjipwns]

Kyuuji posted another essay, turns out they were right all along:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21815863

There's another element to this though;

CDP Group are a large corporate entity

Sure they might tug on the heartstrings of gamers by putting love-letters in the sleeves of their games, but they're still a corporation. CDP itself joined the WIG20 just over a year ago; an index of the 20 largest companies on the Warsaw Stock Exchange. So when the claim is they're trying to handle sensitive issues by "showing how big corporations use people’s bodies against them", but are doing that by being a big corporation using people's bodies against them, it's a fragile effort at best and concerning at worst depending on who's doing it. This time, that's CDP/R.

Until they do bother to reach out and reassure the community they last spent time mocking and refusing to apologise to, I think it's perfectly fine to remain critical as to whether the final product will handle these things will nor do I feel they are from what little we've seen.

[shosta]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Trump is in Poland right now

[Leadbelly]

okay, we have meltdown happening

Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism. She isn't in charge of the game and doesn't get to dictate how everything is contextualized in the story. Also she conflates gender-noncomformity with trans identities do she doesn't know her shit.

If CDPR really gave a shit, they'd talk about and show positive trans and LGBTQ+ representation in the game. The character creator shown thus far enforces the gender binary and they only feature a man protagonist in the promo material.

Gotta love gender politics. A few years ago people were arguing that they should have the ability to play as a female protagonist in more games. And that's fine. Now it seems having the ability to choose male or female is problematic and what we really need is a generic human model and a slider so that we can pick and choose characteristics.

[stufte]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Trump is in Poland right now

I'm sure he's *really* there to have a game design meeting with CDPR, so they can go over how to insert MORE sneaky anti-LGBT stuff into the game.

[benjipwns]

Gotta love gender politics. A few years ago people were arguing that they should have the ability to play as a female protagonist in more games. And that's fine. Now it seems having the ability to choose male or female is problematic and what we really need is a generic human model and a slider so that we can pick and choose characteristics.

The gender (or whatever) slider should do nothing visible to the character model and change the game in no way but should have five hundred labels change as you move it on the create menu.

[Nintex]

Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism.

These calculating bastards knew we'd throw a hissy fit over an in-game advertisement for a fake fictional corporation in a work in progress video of a game that doesn't ship for another 10 months or so.
Sneaky CD Project Red set-up this entire event called E3 to have journalists ask their art director about it. Just shows how much efforts these bigots put into their hatred.

 

[benjipwns]

Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism.

These calculating bastards knew we'd throw a hissy fit over an in-game advertisement for a fake fictional corporation in a work in progress video of a game that doesn't ship for another 10 months or so.
Sneaky CD Project Red set-up this entire event called E3 to have journalists ask their art director about it. Just shows how much efforts these bigots put into their hatred.

Even better? The ad was in LAST YEARS footage. Nobody apparently noticed.

[stufte]

Those calculating bastards saw this coming and had the artist on standby to deflect criticism.

These calculating bastards knew we'd throw a hissy fit over an in-game advertisement for a fake fictional corporation in a work in progress video of a game that doesn't ship for another 10 months or so.
Sneaky CD Project Red set-up this entire event called E3 to have journalists ask their art director about it. Just shows how much efforts these bigots put into their hatred.

Even better? The ad was in LAST YEARS footage.

They only noticed it because of the wonders of RTX.

[PogiJones]

There are so many kinds of people, with so many different stories, who without this community would have nowhere else to go. I have learned things and connected with people I'd never have known were it not for this community. I have made friends I can barely remember what it was like to not know. I have grown a lot with the people here. I am who I am, in part, because of all of you. I would take the worst days here over the best days anywhere else because, no matter what, I believe we will always try to be better.

We must continue to work together to create a community that serves the ideals we were founded on. This is a group effort. We all have to live up to our own expectations and believe that we, together, are what make this experience meaningful. This is a challenge we should always rise to. This is a journey that should never end. There is no place else like us, and nowhere else that tries, but we are here and we try and that counts.

We must love each other. We are all we have.

All my love to you all.

[Joe Molotov]

Is there another place of discussion with real activity that one could go to?

I wish.

Why would you want more activity? More activity just means more sneaky alt-right nazis, ruining everything. That's why the Bore is perfect, we've only got like 12 or 15 active Nazis, tops.

[benjipwns]

They only noticed it because of the wonders of RTX.

Powered by GeForce™ my fellow not paid at all Gamer.

[PogiJones]

That FF post just perfectly embodies RE. There's being positive, and then there's being unbearably sappy to the point it's an obvious mask for a nasty toxic underbelly.

[benjipwns]

okay, you guys are the ones posting this stuff, I figured it out, who's SapphiCine? filler? Glen?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/post-21816077

Ugh, this is awful. Both the widespread dismissal of an important discussion and so many feeling compelled to insult someone for daring to question their favourite gaming company.

I thought era was better than this.

Harsher punishments could work for this. Instead of days have bans be weeks then a repeat perm.

Ugh, this is awful. Both the widespread dismissal of an important discussion and so many feeling compelled to insult someone for daring to question their favourite gaming company.

I thought era was better than this.

A forum dominated by cis men is always going to be like this.

[KarpalaJoe]

The polarization of the political climate was apparent, but IIRC moderation set out to try and protect conservative posters from the very beginning.

That's not true, it was really just me protecting all the conservative posters (I even tried sanctioning a Conservatism OT), and admin (Rowlf especially) had this kind of "anyone is welcome to post here as long as they don't post anything overtly racist etc." policy in theory, but mostly just in theory. What I mean by this is that everyone tried to operate within a framework of enforcing real rules, and so if someone was antagonizing a thread (I remember a poster who registered under the name TrumpTrain, lol), the question was "is this person breaking any specific rules", and if the answer is no then staff just resigned themselves to leaving them alone. So it was mostly just a "hands tied" kind of situation, not any commitment to ideological neutrality or whatever. Eventually Royalan and some other black posters complained that we should just lean into who we are, a "progressive forum with progressive values" (paraphrasing), which is why a few weeks in Cerium put out that huge statement that Resetera was unambiguously pro-LGBT, anti-racist, etc. That's also when the "fresh start" and "just treat everyone equally" rules receded fairly quickly and the primary goal was making sure Resetera was a vanguard operation in the video game forum world.

Man, what the fuck, you were a Resetera moderator ?

[benjipwns]

Yeah honesty this. My biggest complaint about this place is that stuff like this is aloud to fester because the offender often just gets a slap on the wrist. I get it, they don't want to be like neogaf and hand out perms like they're gonna out of style but the line has to be drawn somewhere!

THIS FAR! NO FURTHER!

[Leadbelly]

Gotta love gender politics. A few years ago people were arguing that they should have the ability to play as a female protagonist in more games. And that's fine. Now it seems having the ability to choose male or female is problematic and what we really need is a generic human model and a slider so that we can pick and choose characteristics.

The gender (or whatever) slider should do nothing visible to the character model and change the game in no way but should have five hundred labels change as you move it on the create menu.

I'm thinking nothing should change visibly, but they should use a really generic voice synthesizer to say all the lines of dialogue.

[benjipwns]

Tbf, gaf was bleeding POC too before era came along. Most of them left after Ferguson, Baltimore, and 2016 election.

now this is a new twist

how is there anyone left at this point unless they're all Enzom's? like we've always been saying?

[stufte]

Gotta love gender politics. A few years ago people were arguing that they should have the ability to play as a female protagonist in more games. And that's fine. Now it seems having the ability to choose male or female is problematic and what we really need is a generic human model and a slider so that we can pick and choose characteristics.

The gender (or whatever) slider should do nothing visible to the character model and change the game in no way but should have five hundred labels change as you move it on the create menu.

I'm thinking nothing should change visibly, but they should use a really generic voice synthesizer to say all the lines of dialogue.

They should be mute and use ASL to communicate. I'm sure REE wouldn't be so ableist as to hate them for that. Right?

[PogiJones]

"Barret looks white"

What the hell, Barret is too damn pretty....

Conflating whiteness with prettiness. You ain't slick, John Kowalski.

Nazis hiding in plain sight on gaming side, smh

[Leadbelly]

Gotta love gender politics. A few years ago people were arguing that they should have the ability to play as a female protagonist in more games. And that's fine. Now it seems having the ability to choose male or female is problematic and what we really need is a generic human model and a slider so that we can pick and choose characteristics.

The gender (or whatever) slider should do nothing visible to the character model and change the game in no way but should have five hundred labels change as you move it on the create menu.

I'm thinking nothing should change visibly, but they should use a really generic voice synthesizer to say all the lines of dialogue.

They should be mute and use ASL to communicate. I'm sure REE wouldn't be so ableist as to hate them for that. Right?

Or it could be like old skool JRPGs where lines of dialogue just pops up in a window

[benjipwns]

This isn’t a progressive forum. It’s full of neoliberals and conservatives in centrist clothing or just centrists always trying to shit up threads every opportunity they get. If anything, it’d be considered liberal.

shots fired at Kirblar

[BisMarckie]

And coming from a different gaming forum where moderation was a complete joke into this place is like a huge breath of fresh air.

The Bire annihilated.

[KarpalaJoe]

I've saw a picture of Morrigan. I'm aroused.

[marrec]

Watching what ResetERA has become... I know how Oppenheimer felt.

[tummyfat]

2015: The word 'mix' is just a word for blending things together.
2017: The word 'mix' is a fun cute honorific for people who don't feel comfortable with a binary choice of Mr. or Mrs.
2019: The word 'mix' is transphobic and possibly racist.
2021: World War Mix begins.

[BisMarckie]

What‘s the story of Atra‘s Allietra‘s beef with the Bire mods?

[VomKriege]

Transhuman should also know that we learned that Poland is a fascist backwater with free healthcare so efficient it trivialized cancer.

[VomKriege]

ResetERA : better than nothing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-glad-that-this-forum-exist.122849/page-2#post-21816571

[ResetBanBot]

Kyuuji posted another essay, turns out they were right all along:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-cdpr-responds-to-sexualized-trans-advertisement-in-cyberpunk-2077-read-staff-post-before-posting.122807/post-21815863

There's another element to this though;

CDP Group are a large corporate entity

Sure they might tug on the heartstrings of gamers by putting love-letters in the sleeves of their games, but they're still a corporation. CDP itself joined the WIG20 just over a year ago; an index of the 20 largest companies on the Warsaw Stock Exchange. So when the claim is they're trying to handle sensitive issues by "showing how big corporations use people’s bodies against them", but are doing that by being a big corporation using people's bodies against them, it's a fragile effort at best and concerning at worst depending on who's doing it. This time, that's CDP/R.

Until they do bother to reach out and reassure the community they last spent time mocking and refusing to apologise to, I think it's perfectly fine to remain critical as to whether the final product will handle these things will nor do I feel they are from what little we've seen.

CDP started as a piracy group doing fan translations. There is no dev studio that is more "cyberpunk" than that. Meanwhile this guy posts on a astroturfing forum that prides itself on being the ultimate display of man-children fawning over the mediocrity of western pop culture.

[shosta]

Hopefully one of the mods will note that metacommentary rarely produces productive discussion, and lock the thread accordingly.

[Tripon]

Tbf, gaf was bleeding POC too before era came along. Most of them left after Ferguson, Baltimore, and 2016 election.

now this is a new twist

how is there anyone left at this point unless they're all Enzom's? like we've always been saying?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/white-people-have-incredible-police-repellent-powers.104200/#post-18657037

[benjipwns]

I'm also glad that this forum exists as well. I am very happy to have played a role in migrating people away from GAF over to ERA and am very happy that ERA has flourished and grown.

I've saw a picture of Morrigan. I'm aroused.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/acquired-ms-studios-are-free-to-reach-into-the-ip-vault-at-ms.122879/post-21816471

dear god this is worse than any of the cyberpunk stuff, how do i fire this mod

AZURIK?

[PogiJones]

I'm also glad that this forum exists as well. I am very happy to have played a role in migrating people away from GAF over to ERA and am very happy that ERA has flourished and grown.

I've saw a picture of Morrigan. I'm aroused.

(Image removed from quote.)

Dude, you're taking the doxxing too far. Don't just post a picture of Morrigan like that.

[BisMarckie]

Fun fact: I bough Bloodwake and Brute Force among others at my local videogames rental place for 2 or 3 Eurodollars each way after the 360 was out.



Okay, maybe that wasn‘t fun at all.

[BisMarckie]

I agree even though "toxic" masculinity is still very prevalent here among other things.

Why is toxic in sneer quotes?

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cyberpunk-2077s-e3-demo-has-weak-gunplay-and-unimaginative-stereotypes.122727/post-21815040

Is this supposed to make what they did less racist, all they did is make a mostly white gang now mostly black. Not only are perpetuating racist stereotypes of black people but they're also calling a Haitian group Voodoo Boys. They should have just kept them mostly white instead of creating this mess.

As a PoC I definitely find this offensive and if you can't see how this is racist/offensive than....

I'm black. I'm not arguing anything. I'm just pointing out a factual error that I think was based on the scan that I posted earlier in the thread. I have no idea what the racial makeup of the Voodoo boys is in the game. We'd probably have to see more than a cut scene or two to know so I won't form an opinion on that based on this.

also a good sign of productive non-antagonistic discussion

[benjipwns]

In lieu of representation it says that "Your existance is offensive".

The poster, showcasing the erect penis as something the player is supposed to be disgusted by, highlights this. No ammount of "worldbuilding" justifies this, and anybody appealing to that is making an excuse to justify something that exists not solely in the context of their game world, but in the modern world as well. You cannot make something okay if you pretend the real world doesn't exist. Anybody who tries is spitting in the faces of every trans person.

CDPR can go take a long walk off of a short pier.

no ammount

Hobbes apparently has a deathwish on this topic:

Based on the designers comments, she says that model isn’t intended to be depicted as something you should be disgusted by, she even says that they are sexy.

With that said then, do you still think it’s meant to be offensive for the sake of being offensive and trans exclusionary?

Additionally, what would you do differently to depict what they are trying to do if you had to depict?

Kitsunelaine is of course losing it like always:

they could not use trans people as a cudgel, as a shorthand for "you're supposed to feel uncomfortable by this" (which is literally what she said, don't fuckin' try to pretend otherwise. no ammount of excuse makes that okay when it comes to trans people and hoenstly fuck anyone who pretends otherwise)

You can't say "Trans people are things and that's bad" and then just have "Trans people as things" being your sole depiction of trans people; because in lieu of any positive avenues at ALL of narrative exploration regarding the existance of trans people, that's endorsement.

I only seen one thing once from CDPR that could be seen as transphobic which was the tweet. Show me that deep transphobic history you mention that do not involve a tweet.

how about you stop dismissing blatant transphobia

I see one tweet and they apologized for it.

Stop lying. Or maybe you're gullible enough to think that what they posted is a genuine "apology". I think the lying accusation is more favourable to your intelligence though.

and so is Icemonk still:

I only seen one thing once from CDPR that could be seen as transphobic which was the tweet. Show me that deep transphobic history you mention that do not involve a tweet.

No you tell me why the tweets and the non apology don't count!

[benjipwns]

A friend and one of the most prominent trans voices in journalism (especially games journalism) just posted this piece, and it's a highly recommended read because she is super fab at dissecting these kinds of issues, exploring their nuances, and just generally at her job as a writer:
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/cyberpunk-2077-transphobic-ad/

holy shit it's that same Ana Valens yet again! they all know and follow her independently! what are the odds?!?

https://twitter.com/acvalens/status/1138769983113183237

Even if the ad is supposed to depict a trans woman or a trans femme in good faith, it’s terribly inaccurate in a way that furthers harmful stereotypes already existing in our society. Many trans women cannot maintain erections thanks to hormone replacement therapy, while others can only become somewhat stiff for a short period of time without erectile dysfunction medication. Yet cis people generally assume trans women’s penises operate like cis men’s until proven otherwise. That stigma is only further reinforced by cis male-centric porn, which expects trans models to use their penises in a way that operates exactly like cis men’s dicks.

big yikes?

I just got finished reading this actually, and it’s really comprehensive. Brilliant, arguably required reading for this thread.

/Definitely/ required reading imo. I won't make the mistake of discounting dissenting trans voices/opinions as a cis person, and it isn't my place to dictate whether the issue at hand is fine or not, but I do really agree with her. I recommend following her work if you don't already--she's incredible.

Oh, now that you point it out, I can see you're right. BIG YIKES. I'll DM her about this right now.

The article Heartimecia posted is pretty thorough and includes both of their transphobic tweets. What it doesn't include is their refusal to publicly apologize for the second second one (which, considering the context behind that tweet, was especially cruel). The did (quietly) fire the asshole behind the tweets, however.

I'd recommend you read the entire article.

THIS ARTICLE IS NOW THE GOOD WORD HAVE YOU HEARD IT