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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #540 on: June 07, 2022, 11:54:25 AM »


:dead it happened to me

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« Reply #541 on: June 07, 2022, 02:31:52 PM »
sing along to faith of the heart but change the specific words faith of the heart to rock flag and eagle


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« Reply #543 on: June 09, 2022, 08:46:11 PM »
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It didn't have the "SKIP INTRO" button when I watched, so I got good at the jump-skip to the end instead. That song can forever suck it.

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« Reply #545 on: June 10, 2022, 08:22:03 AM »
Latest Star Trek bordered on gruesome.
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Also, apologies to M'Benga's daughter as a cure was presented but ultimately eluded her.

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« Reply #546 on: June 11, 2022, 02:12:49 AM »
Shart Trek Ep 6

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The Orville Ep 2

A decent body horror episode, the comedy is back in a subdued TNG era awkward humor sort of way.  :-\
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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #548 on: June 12, 2022, 08:57:06 AM »
The magic of prop shops and popular locations. Still more subtle than the original series having a Nazi of a Chicago Gangster planet.
Maybe the Robin Hood episode in TNG was some sort of deal like that though.
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« Reply #549 on: June 12, 2022, 11:07:33 PM »


Damn this is dope
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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #550 on: June 13, 2022, 04:03:07 AM »
lmfao that thats the episode they chose to animate; threshold is definitely up there (down there) with sub rosa

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« Reply #551 on: June 13, 2022, 04:06:46 AM »
shit, well, if we've done sub rosa and threshold;


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« Reply #553 on: June 15, 2022, 06:45:11 PM »
New episode of new worlds was great imo
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« Reply #555 on: June 17, 2022, 09:02:42 PM »
I think hell froze over Shart Trek had a better episode than The Orville.  :mindblown

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« Reply #558 on: June 20, 2022, 06:36:29 PM »
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« Reply #560 on: June 24, 2022, 05:07:06 PM »
no
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« Reply #562 on: June 24, 2022, 06:52:40 PM »
Two episodes of Hell.
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« Reply #567 on: June 27, 2022, 02:05:34 PM »
How is Strange New Worlds?
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« Reply #568 on: June 27, 2022, 02:24:02 PM »
It's watchable except that first episode is a piece of shit.

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« Reply #569 on: June 27, 2022, 02:32:25 PM »
Does it present progressive values as the only way forward or is it like classic Trek that shows multiple sides of an issue, that things aren't so black and white, and that disagreeing forces - like say, the war-like Klingon versus the always logical Android - can somehow come to compromise? Trek was great because it showed that multiple viewpoints can add their take to the whole and that true leadership is getting opinions from a variety of sources and not just one. If there's one problem with modern Trek it's that it presents only one solution as permissible, much less possible. This is acutely anti-Trek.
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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #570 on: June 27, 2022, 02:38:33 PM »
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« Reply #571 on: June 27, 2022, 02:39:54 PM »
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EP1 has Jan the 6th as the catalyst for the Eugenics Wars/WW3 if that answers your question.
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Yes, I read about that. But aside from that not much stupid liberal navel gazing?
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« Reply #572 on: June 27, 2022, 02:47:45 PM »
Not really at least not in my opinion, but they still act like snarky unprofessional assholes.

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« Reply #573 on: June 27, 2022, 02:50:02 PM »
Snarky unprofessional assholes? So it's still Orville cosplay where they curse and all that jazz? I'll give it a shot.
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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #574 on: June 27, 2022, 02:50:57 PM »
It's even less funny than that.

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« Reply #575 on: June 27, 2022, 02:53:44 PM »
It's even less funny than that.

Yeah I remember Tilly and the I FUCKING LOVE  SCIENCE crap. Even I as someone that likes Discovery roll my eyes at that bs. It doesn't feel genuine.
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« Reply #576 on: June 27, 2022, 02:54:11 PM »
While I don't agree with you on the perniciousness of progressive shit in shows overall, I think you'll find Strange New Worlds much better than Discovery and Picard even on that point since I know the kinds of things you're referring to.

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« Reply #577 on: June 27, 2022, 02:58:24 PM »
Progressivism isn't inherently bad. The problem is that the modern idea of progressivism. In the 90's, progressivism was a future where people of different ideas could live together and try to understand another. Today it means "believe in the same things I do or else - this is the future". So it depends on the definition and 90's Trek absolutely stands for the formers ideals.

Again, I'll give it a shot. Looking forward to it. I still like Picard and Discovery. My problem is that they seem to have really bought into the idea that Star Trek is for progressives only and not for a wide group of people.
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« Reply #578 on: June 27, 2022, 03:10:51 PM »
I actually think that current Trek's vision of the future even vis a vis Trek itself is ample grounds for criticism. I'm just not sure it has as much to do with progressivism as much as it is the writers are stupid and unimaginative and so can only view the future through modern politics and their own lens which is modern progressivism. Say what you will about Gene's vision of the future (lmao) but it tended to be pretty radical and out there and then found its way back to us through what similarities remained. It was trying to talk about things inherent to the human condition that we might never advance past rather than simply commenting on modern issues through metaphor. Gene knew he couldn't just do stuff like racial equality without metaphor but he wasn't just trying to comment on human racial equality, he really meant that stuff regarding aliens too. Gene wanted to hit on and possibly sexually harass everybody not just humans of different skin colors.

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« Reply #579 on: June 27, 2022, 03:13:34 PM »

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« Reply #580 on: June 27, 2022, 03:53:09 PM »
I'm just not sure it has as much to do with progressivism as much as it is the writers are stupid and unimaginative and so can only view the future through modern politics and their own lens which is modern progressivism.

So we aren't arguing the same thing? Or is your take more a nuanced take with more elaborate language?
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« Reply #581 on: June 27, 2022, 06:09:00 PM »
Or is your take more a nuanced take with more elaborate language?
No, I'm just basically saying they're dumb rather than deliberate.

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« Reply #582 on: June 27, 2022, 06:24:33 PM »
Or is your take more a nuanced take with more elaborate language?
No, I'm just basically saying they're dumb rather than deliberate.


Ah. It's hard for me to not equate modern progressivism with "dumb" as a bug rather than a feature, though. To me they're the same.
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« Reply #583 on: June 27, 2022, 06:42:46 PM »
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I mean he was pretty much saying this ever since TOS s3, and especially after TMP failed

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« Reply #584 on: July 06, 2022, 05:24:35 PM »
Preview of that Star Trek game coming from the former Telltale guys: https://www.polygon.com/23191888/star-trek-resurgence-preview-dramatic-labs

Set after TNG.

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« Reply #585 on: July 07, 2022, 12:30:18 PM »
New worlds had a non binairy villain

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It’s not this character’s queerness that makes them a villain. They’re not being villainized because they’re queer. They just happen to be, which I think is heavily refreshing versus in real life where we’re being villainized because of our queerness.

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« Reply #586 on: July 07, 2022, 02:35:55 PM »
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It's the chick who hijacked the enterprise how she is non-binary maybe you are as confused as I am.  :lol
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« Reply #587 on: July 07, 2022, 05:18:52 PM »
The villain isnt even non binary what a non interview
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« Reply #588 on: July 07, 2022, 05:20:05 PM »
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It's the chick who hijacked the enterprise how she is non-binary maybe you are as confused as I am.  :lol
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https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-jesse-james-keitel-discusses-why-playing-angel-was-refreshing

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I know there were concerns that having a villain who is played by a trans woman who is clearly a queer person would be sending a wrong message. I understand that queer people have had a really long and complicated history with TV and film, and they’ve been very mistreated in the media. Now we see [that] in legislation and in real life. That being said, I think it’s high time we let queer people be villains, you know?

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« Reply #589 on: July 07, 2022, 06:57:05 PM »
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Fnished up the Season of SNW and I got to say that I never would have imagined that I would be typing these words but Shart Trek has surpassed The Orville at least tentatively it might change when The Orville finishes up but here we are. :mindblown
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This season of the Orville has been pretty underwhelming so far, my nitpicks:

1. The humor being gone I regret ever saying it shouldn't be there in the first place.

2. The lighting being darker it isn't as egregious as in Shart Trek but it still annoys me, this is probably because they use different cameras.

2a. To expand on the lighting this is more of a art direction thing the third series has a way more generic inside the ship it went all brushed metal with the light blue lighting instead of the comfy 80's office design language that was very TNG era ripoffy so maybe this was changed because of a copyright issue.

3. The CG looks worse, what the fuck was up with that episode with the Talla fighting the alien CG creatures talk about amateur hour.

4. I don't like the shuttle redesign or their fighter jet thing design wise this could be down to copyright shenanigan's for all i know.

5. Charly sucks.

6. New OP sucks, nah the soundtrack in general compared to previous seasons.

Things I do like:

1. Bortus's make up was improved, the last episode it looked odd the one about time travel.

2. Repercussions from previous seasons have been addressed or made worse.

3 I like the homage to Galaxy Quest since they have a beryllium sphere on their engineering deck.  :lol

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Can only hope this is a direction shows take from now on not just trek but all shows and or media and feck off with injecting current year politics into shit. :rejoice
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SNW EP1 was absolute current year politics gobshite, but fucked off with that shit after that episode.
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The Orville was probably hampered by the Coof which caused 4 eps to be canned and maybe that's why it's a mess but only time will tell when the season actually ends.
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« Reply #590 on: July 08, 2022, 09:12:50 AM »
I havent enjoyed the orville this season at all.. i dunno why because I was hyped for it but its just not that fun to watch.
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« Reply #591 on: July 09, 2022, 07:51:06 AM »
This week's Orville was pretty good, I liked seeing

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The ending was really abrupt and resolved things too neatly, without really dealing with the consequences of what they'd done, but the show has been pretty good about coming back to unresolved plot points like this (Topa, Teleya) so I expect we'll see more of this storyline if we miraculously get a 4th season.

The stuff with Isaac and Charly was fun too, the show's humor is kinda hit-and-miss for me but I thought this was right in the sweet spot of where it works.

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« Reply #593 on: July 12, 2022, 10:46:31 AM »
Linking to purple site because there was some discussion of Patrick Stewart being very much at the front seat of steering the TNG movies and Picard (which makes a lot of sense that he has so much leverage) :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/redlettermedia-ot-very-cruel.804/page-244#post-84198724

https://www.resetera.com/threads/redlettermedia-ot-very-cruel.804/page-245#post-84809068

Which you don't have to read in the most uncharitable way but certainly Stewart himself coopted a tone change.

Certainly failure are as much a team effort than success though it's always fun pointing fingers at the usual suspects.
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« Reply #594 on: July 13, 2022, 02:46:53 AM »
The TNG movies took the tone from an ensemble cast and made things nearly entirely about Picard or Data.

ST: Picard let’s you know from the title where the focus will be, sadly.

“Absolute fucking hubris!”

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« Reply #595 on: July 13, 2022, 09:08:28 AM »
Doesn't explain why Discovery was fucking awful though, unless we think clem fandango has real hollywood juice

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« Reply #596 on: July 14, 2022, 01:26:22 PM »
I gotta say I was apprehensive of Strange New Worlds, but on Episode 10 now and I have to say its really good, I would say its a perfect mix of classic Trek and some stuff.
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« Reply #597 on: July 14, 2022, 03:25:24 PM »
Stewart had leverage with the films because he was becoming a big enough star that he could just give up the role and still find himself stuff like X-Men. He's since admitted that he probably pushed too hard for Picard to get the "best stuff" in the movies, in particular Insurrection should have been more balanced. But I imagine that they had to give him nearly everything he wanted to get him back now. Even Jeri Ryan probably wouldn't have as much pull for Seven.

Data became the B-plot in Nemesis because Spiner was aging out of the role and wanted to be killed off which is leverage no one else on the cast had. It was less natural than fitting his role into First Contact was. Also because the director knew nothing about Trek he thought all the stuff about Data was super fascinating even though it was mostly just retreading ground TNG had done countless times before. They probably should have let Frakes direct again instead of blaming him for Insurrection. It also would have been far smarter if they had pushed all that to irrelevance in the movie until the end where Data realizes he can sacrifice himself and come back in B4 for a potential sequel rather than it being some stupid masterplot of Shinzon's that ultimately goes nowhere anyway.
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